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Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:25 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
Yeah I plan on handing my toon off to my son, who will pass it off to his son, so really, why not recognize that my childrens children will be able to pilot a station and make wormholes with their mind?

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:35 pm UTC
by Gunfingers
Well this came on fairly suddenly, but...

I'm industrial now! I'm giving up eWar, and combat in general, and becoming a dirty stinking miner/engineer/scientist/whatever! Well, actually it'll be effective on the sixth, when i can fly a Retriever with Strip Miner IIs.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:43 pm UTC
by Xaddak
No, because according to Izawwlgood, you're not a miner until you can fly a Hulk. Retrievers aren't allowed.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:39 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
To justify that statement a bit, you should note that a Retriever at all lvl 5 skills pulls 904 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals (although with all lvl 5s, you'd be in a covetor, or at a hulk, but anyway), while a Battleship with 8 highs and 6 lows pulls in 1141 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals. So a retriever will probably pull about 700-800 m3 per minute until you're in a covetor, and if you're already combat trained, you can mine really well in combat ships.

Put to get oogly eyes, a Hulk at all lvl 5s pulls in 1700 m3 ore / min. That's without any rigs and without drones.

I want to get some carrier protect mining ops going...

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:29 pm UTC
by Xaddak
EVEMon update with an attribute optimizer! Woo!

Now if EFT would update...

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:57 pm UTC
by Alasseo
Xaddak wrote:Why not? O.o

I have a 611 day long skill plan. I intend to use EVEMon for a long, long time.


I have all the skills I want with the exception of the t3 cruiser skills which I have all the prereqs for and a few misc skills I'll pick up in the next couple of months. I have 3ish years of maxing out skills. Don't need EVEMon for that.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:12 am UTC
by Xaddak
True, but nor do you technically NEED EVEMon at all, ever. It just makes life so much easier.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:41 am UTC
by Cynical Idealist
Xeio wrote:
tron1point0 wrote:Someone's probably already figured out the optimal way to train the learning skills (The tier 1 skills are all Mem/Int, so changing your attributes to max out Mem, then max out Int would give you the fastest training time for them.), I just can't be arsed to find it.
EVEMON is your friend. :D

Right, I got this set up in EVEMON (made a new alt for it to work from).
Evemon sez, for training all base learnings to 5 and others to 4:
EVEMON skill planner wrote:Remap your attributes to:
INT 9
PER 5
CHA 5
WILL 5
MEM 15
Then, train as follows (spoilered for length):
Spoiler:
1. Instant Recall I (10 minutes, 25 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
2. Analytical Mind I (9 minutes, 36 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
3. Learning I (9 minutes, 15 seconds; 35,000 ISK)
4. Instant Recall II (42 minutes, 18 seconds)
5. Analytical Mind II (39 minutes, 23 seconds)
6. Learning II (38 minutes, 4 seconds)
7. Instant Recall III (3 hours, 31 minutes, 3 seconds)
8. Analytical Mind III (3 hours, 17 minutes, 51 seconds)
9. Learning III (3 hours, 11 minutes, 52 seconds)
10. Instant Recall IV (17 hours, 45 minutes, 2 seconds)
11. Eidetic Memory I (20 minutes, 12 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
12. Eidetic Memory II (1 hour, 29 minutes, 3 seconds)
13. Eidetic Memory III (7 hours, 57 minutes, 54 seconds)
14. Analytical Mind IV (14 hours, 17 minutes, 13 seconds)
15. Logic I (18 minutes, 8 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
16. Logic II (1 hour, 20 minutes, 22 seconds)
17. Logic III (7 hours, 13 minutes, 27 seconds)
18. Learning IV (13 hours, 1 minute, 1 second)
19. Eidetic Memory IV (1 day, 14 hours, 19 minutes, 41 seconds)
20. Logic IV (1 day, 13 hours, 29 minutes, 41 seconds)
21. Instant Recall V (2 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, 17 seconds)
22. Analytical Mind V (2 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, 41 seconds)
23. Learning V (2 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes, 9 seconds)
24. Spatial Awareness I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
25. Iron Will I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
26. Empathy I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
27. Spatial Awareness II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
28. Iron Will II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
29. Empathy II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
30. Spatial Awareness III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
31. Iron Will III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
32. Empathy III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
33. Spatial Awareness IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
34. Iron Will IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
35. Empathy IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
36. Spatial Awareness V (2 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, 35 seconds)
37. Iron Will V (2 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, 6 seconds)
38. Empathy V (5 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes, 11 seconds)
39. Focus I (35 minutes, 53 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
40. Clarity I (34 minutes, 5 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
41. Presence I (35 minutes, 53 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
42. Focus II (2 hours, 34 minutes, 54 seconds)
43. Clarity II (2 hours, 27 minutes, 41 seconds)
44. Presence II (2 hours, 34 minutes, 54 seconds)
45. Focus III (13 hours, 36 minutes, 24 seconds)
46. Clarity III (13 hours, 54 seconds)
47. Presence III (13 hours, 36 minutes, 24 seconds)
48. Focus IV (3 days, 3 minutes, 35 seconds)
49. Clarity IV (2 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes, 7 seconds)
50. Presence IV (3 days, 3 minutes, 35 seconds)

50 skills; Total time: 37 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, 10 seconds
N.B. Skill costs are based on CCP's database and are indicative only

The time in the spoiler is with base attributes. With the attributes optimized, it should take 33 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 18 seconds.


Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:08 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
Anyone want to come to my inaugural Thanatos flight?

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:17 pm UTC
by Xaddak
...when? Where?

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:55 pm UTC
by Gunfingers
Give me some time to find a heavy interdictor and about a dozen BSes and i'll come out!

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:57 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
I see what you did there.

I'll be giving out Exotic Dancers

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:21 pm UTC
by Xeio
Cynical Idealist wrote:Remap your attributes to:
Ok, first, don't ever, ever, ever do that remap unless you plan on training industrial skills for the next year. Second, this is terrible advice for a newbie, you're basically telling them to spend 37 days with NO SKILLS just so that 6 months down the line they start to see a tangible benefit. The tier 1 learning are the only ones I would suggest for a newbie (based on EVEMON) for their initial plan (probably T1 cruisers or something, depending on what they want to do), and I'd avoid wasting a month on them until they at least have some useful stuff under their belt. Also, the tier 2 learning skills require a hefty amount of cash for a newbie, unless you donate all of that to them...

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:40 pm UTC
by tron1point0
Xeio wrote:Second, this is terrible advice for a newbie, you're basically telling them to spend 37 days with NO SKILLS just so that 6 months down the line they start to see a tangible benefit.

That wasn't really advice for newbs: It was more for people starting alts than anything else. Yeah, if you're new, train what you can in learning, then train ships/modules.

Xeio wrote:Ok, first, don't ever, ever, ever do that remap unless you plan on training industrial skills for the next year.

New characters get 2 free remaps.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:02 pm UTC
by Cynical Idealist
Xeio wrote:
Cynical Idealist wrote:Remap your attributes to:
Ok, first, don't ever, ever, ever do that remap unless you plan on training industrial skills for the next year. Second, this is terrible advice for a newbie, you're basically telling them to spend 37 days with NO SKILLS just so that 6 months down the line they start to see a tangible benefit. The tier 1 learning are the only ones I would suggest for a newbie (based on EVEMON) for their initial plan (probably T1 cruisers or something, depending on what they want to do), and I'd avoid wasting a month on them until they at least have some useful stuff under their belt. Also, the tier 2 learning skills require a hefty amount of cash for a newbie, unless you donate all of that to them...

New characters get 2 remaps, and I just said that was optimal for getting learnings to 5/4. I'd never tell an actual newbie to do that, they should mix fun skills in with their learnings. They should still try to get learnings in, though, since it hurts twice as hard to put them off with the new bonus.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:53 pm UTC
by Alasseo
I trained learning skills straight off. While I saved money for adv learning, I trained other skills. Ya'll are not thinking this through.

FAKEEDIT: Also, I sarted with like 30k sp, so suck it.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:01 am UTC
by Ralith The Third
Izawwlgood wrote:To justify that statement a bit, you should note that a Retriever at all lvl 5 skills pulls 904 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals (although with all lvl 5s, you'd be in a covetor, or at a hulk, but anyway), while a Battleship with 8 highs and 6 lows pulls in 1141 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals. So a retriever will probably pull about 700-800 m3 per minute until you're in a covetor, and if you're already combat trained, you can mine really well in combat ships.

Put to get oogly eyes, a Hulk at all lvl 5s pulls in 1700 m3 ore / min. That's without any rigs and without drones.

I want to get some carrier protect mining ops going...

T2 crystals? On a battleship?
umm.
battleships can not fit teh strip miner, y'know.

Cynical Idealist wrote:
Xeio wrote:
tron1point0 wrote:Someone's probably already figured out the optimal way to train the learning skills (The tier 1 skills are all Mem/Int, so changing your attributes to max out Mem, then max out Int would give you the fastest training time for them.), I just can't be arsed to find it.
EVEMON is your friend. :D

Right, I got this set up in EVEMON (made a new alt for it to work from).
Evemon sez, for training all base learnings to 5 and others to 4:
EVEMON skill planner wrote:Remap your attributes to:
INT 9
PER 5
CHA 5
WILL 5
MEM 15
Then, train as follows (spoilered for length):
Spoiler:
1. Instant Recall I (10 minutes, 25 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
2. Analytical Mind I (9 minutes, 36 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
3. Learning I (9 minutes, 15 seconds; 35,000 ISK)
4. Instant Recall II (42 minutes, 18 seconds)
5. Analytical Mind II (39 minutes, 23 seconds)
6. Learning II (38 minutes, 4 seconds)
7. Instant Recall III (3 hours, 31 minutes, 3 seconds)
8. Analytical Mind III (3 hours, 17 minutes, 51 seconds)
9. Learning III (3 hours, 11 minutes, 52 seconds)
10. Instant Recall IV (17 hours, 45 minutes, 2 seconds)
11. Eidetic Memory I (20 minutes, 12 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
12. Eidetic Memory II (1 hour, 29 minutes, 3 seconds)
13. Eidetic Memory III (7 hours, 57 minutes, 54 seconds)
14. Analytical Mind IV (14 hours, 17 minutes, 13 seconds)
15. Logic I (18 minutes, 8 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
16. Logic II (1 hour, 20 minutes, 22 seconds)
17. Logic III (7 hours, 13 minutes, 27 seconds)
18. Learning IV (13 hours, 1 minute, 1 second)
19. Eidetic Memory IV (1 day, 14 hours, 19 minutes, 41 seconds)
20. Logic IV (1 day, 13 hours, 29 minutes, 41 seconds)
21. Instant Recall V (2 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, 17 seconds)
22. Analytical Mind V (2 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, 41 seconds)
23. Learning V (2 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes, 9 seconds)
24. Spatial Awareness I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
25. Iron Will I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
26. Empathy I (4 minutes, 27 seconds; 50,000 ISK)
27. Spatial Awareness II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
28. Iron Will II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
29. Empathy II (20 minutes, 45 seconds)
30. Spatial Awareness III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
31. Iron Will III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
32. Empathy III (1 hour, 57 minutes, 22 seconds)
33. Spatial Awareness IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
34. Iron Will IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
35. Empathy IV (11 hours, 4 minutes, 4 seconds)
36. Spatial Awareness V (2 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, 35 seconds)
37. Iron Will V (2 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, 6 seconds)
38. Empathy V (5 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes, 11 seconds)
39. Focus I (35 minutes, 53 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
40. Clarity I (34 minutes, 5 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
41. Presence I (35 minutes, 53 seconds; 5,000,000 ISK)
42. Focus II (2 hours, 34 minutes, 54 seconds)
43. Clarity II (2 hours, 27 minutes, 41 seconds)
44. Presence II (2 hours, 34 minutes, 54 seconds)
45. Focus III (13 hours, 36 minutes, 24 seconds)
46. Clarity III (13 hours, 54 seconds)
47. Presence III (13 hours, 36 minutes, 24 seconds)
48. Focus IV (3 days, 3 minutes, 35 seconds)
49. Clarity IV (2 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes, 7 seconds)
50. Presence IV (3 days, 3 minutes, 35 seconds)

50 skills; Total time: 37 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, 10 seconds
N.B. Skill costs are based on CCP's database and are indicative only

The time in the spoiler is with base attributes. With the attributes optimized, it should take 33 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 18 seconds.


Is that with the doubled learning time, or...?

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:00 am UTC
by tron1point0
Ralith The Third wrote:T2 crystals? On a battleship?
umm.
battleships can not fit teh strip miner, y'know.

Sure they can. You're just not pushing hard enough.

Ralith The Third wrote:Is that with the doubled learning time, or...?

It's with whatever evemon decides to show.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:48 am UTC
by Izawwlgood
Ralith The Third wrote:battleships can not fit teh strip miner, y'know.


I suggest you investigate the item known as the Modulated Deep Core Miner II. It can indeed fit crystals, and it does indeed mine quite well.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:03 am UTC
by Cynical Idealist
Ralith The Third wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:To justify that statement a bit, you should note that a Retriever at all lvl 5 skills pulls 904 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals (although with all lvl 5s, you'd be in a covetor, or at a hulk, but anyway), while a Battleship with 8 highs and 6 lows pulls in 1141 m3 ore per minute with t2 crystals. So a retriever will probably pull about 700-800 m3 per minute until you're in a covetor, and if you're already combat trained, you can mine really well in combat ships.

Put to get oogly eyes, a Hulk at all lvl 5s pulls in 1700 m3 ore / min. That's without any rigs and without drones.

I want to get some carrier protect mining ops going...

T2 crystals? On a battleship?
umm.
battleships can not fit teh strip miner, y'know.

Nope. But there are regular miners that use crystals, too.
Modulated Deep Core Miner II

That's the one.

Ralith The Third wrote:Is that with the doubled learning time, or...?

I...don't really know. I do know that EVEmon patched the SP/hour to show correctly for people with under 1.6 million SP, so...maybe?
tron1point0 wrote:Sure they can. You're just not pushing hard enough.

They really can't. Not unless you've got the Super Secret Awesome Developer-only Co-processor that adds tens of thousands of CPU output.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:33 am UTC
by Gunfingers
Huh. Well, that's that. Anyone know a good nullsec corp that's looking for a guy who's just starting industry and another guy who's been doing it since '06?

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:21 pm UTC
by Xaddak
I suspect that Izawwlgood and I might know of a corp like that.

Because we're in one. We hang out in Stain.

I'm Xaddak in game, too. And I'm in the xkcd channel when I'm online.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:50 pm UTC
by Frh
I was thinking of playing eve after I graduate (when I am unemployed!), which will be at the beginning of July. I have messed about with the trial system before, so I have a rough idea of how it all works, but I was wondering whether it was feasible to start an account now in order to train some skills. If it were, anyone have any suggestions for skills for someone who wanted to do some small scale pvp? In that timeframe obviously.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:47 pm UTC
by Gunfingers
Playing just to train skills is somewhat feasible, but mind you skill books cost money so you'll still have to actually play periodically. As for small scale PvP, what to train varies with your desired playstyle. The easiest way is to pick a frigate (executioner/Incursus/Tristan/Rifter for solo or Vigil/Maulus/Crucifier to support fleets) and train whatever turret it uses and related gunnery skills, as well as afterburners/MWDs, propulsion jamming, possibly Signature Analysis, some basic tanking skills, and the eWar skills that the support frigates use.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:09 pm UTC
by Frh
How much would I have to play to get money for books etc? I have exams coming up!

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:49 pm UTC
by Gunfingers
Most of that you'll get either starting out or through doing the tutorial missions, and the few you won't you could probably afford with the money you'd get from doing tutorial missions. So not very much. I was referring more to the concept of only training skills and never playing in general, rather than specific to you over the next few months.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:53 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
If you want to get into eve more seriously then just occasionally pointing a laser at a mission frig or a floating rock, I suggest not doing it concomittantly with finals.

Seriously.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:57 pm UTC
by Alasseo
Punisher is more solo than executioner, imo. Just sayin.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:52 pm UTC
by tron1point0
Vexor or Rupture are better solo ships than the Punisher. Plus, they don't take very long to train for.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:06 am UTC
by Alasseo
Sure, but we were specifically picking out frigates. A Jaguar or an Ishkur would be better than a Punisher too, and so would a Hurricane, or a Ishtar, or a Vagabond, but that's not the point. T1 solo combat frigates: merlin (good days) kessie (good days) incursus, rifter, punisher. Tristan and executioner are very good days.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:22 am UTC
by tron1point0
Sure. I was talking about cheap, low-skill cruisers. They'd make a good next step after the solo punisher.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:23 pm UTC
by Ralith The Third
Just train for BC's.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:30 pm UTC
by Eliphal
Heh, really cool to see that a bunch of xkcd fans enjoy eve. I'm getting pretty close to my carrier gonna have lots of fun with it. Oh, and I killed a nightmare yesterday, kinda proud of myself. Any new players want some tips they can hit me up in game, same name as on forum.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:49 pm UTC
by Izawwlgood
Yeah, you in a corp? Wanna join a better one?

My second cyno alt is almost trained up, one more day. I love my Thanny :)

Jonesing for the force of impending doom. Not to far from being the ever present darkness, although I can't afford her yet.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:48 pm UTC
by tron1point0
Well, if we're doing recruiting in here, I may as well ask if anyone wants to come colonize some w-space with us...

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 12:02 am UTC
by nsmjohn
I just started playing this Friday. The game is really fun.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:22 am UTC
by Alasseo
the channel of the xkcd variety is where you ought be.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:08 am UTC
by Xaddak
You really should.

*points at signature*

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:20 am UTC
by nsmjohn
Ok, I joined the channel. It automatically pops up whenever I log in now. I'm not playing too much at the moment; just logging in to set the skill training.

Re: EVE Online

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:18 pm UTC
by eviloatmeal
tron1point0 wrote:Well, if we're doing recruiting in here, I may as well ask if anyone wants to come colonize some w-space with us...

Been there done that. Wasn't for me.

Any frigate corps around? Or anyone that knows of a frigate corp? :)