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Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:02 am UTC

My favorite game plot "genre" by FAR are plots which blurr the line between good and evil.

For instance, Tales of Phantasia/Symphonia both question notions of good and evil, and I love their plot lines.

Also, if you can throw in killing The God that everyone believes in or destroying the corrupt brain washing controlling church as well then that game's story is bound to own (see Luminous Arc/Tales of Symphonia).
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Postby Jack.H » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:48 am UTC

I'm going to have to go with the Metal Gear Solid series. I remember finishing MGS3 and having questions that have lingered since the first Solid game so many years ago get answered. It was pretty epic.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot?

Postby Vellyr » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:06 am UTC

Xenogears had an awesome plot, it has so many threads that it ties up neatly at the end, and the each of the characters all have their own personal struggles as well (the main character's being one of the most interesting that I've seen in any form of fiction)

Also, if you can throw in killing The God that everyone believes in or destroying the corrupt brain washing controlling church as well then that game's story is bound to own (see Luminous Arc/Tales of Symphonia).


You might be on to something here

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About halfway through Xenogears, you find out that the world you've been living in is controlled from behind the scenes by an uber-country, which has been using the church as a means to instigate war in the lower countries.

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Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:30 am UTC

I love political stories, such as Xenogears, Final Fantasy Tactics and Suikoden. I really enjoy a refreshing story set in the "modern" world, like Persona. I don't know about the other games (only played Devil Summoner and Persona 3) but I loved how in Persona 3 there was plenty of conflict within your group of party members. It made the characters very realistic.

I loved FFX's world. It was well built and almost every town or place had a reason for existing and made sense in the context of the story.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot?

Postby FinalSin » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:12 am UTC

No game's ever really captured a free choice, for me. Oblivion's Thieves Guild storyline was probably the best I've been through, though. I don't think it was the story itself that got me - had it been the entire game, I think I'd've been underwhelmed - but the fact that it was part of such a larger world made it seem much more real, and much more thief-like.

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Re: Favourite Game Plot?

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:26 am UTC

Vellyr wrote:
Spoiler:
About halfway through Xenogears, you find out that the world you've been living in is controlled from behind the scenes by an uber-country, which has been using the church as a means to instigate war in the lower countries.


Awesome.

Huge Tales of Symphonia Spoilers:
Spoiler:
Legend:
Disians = Terrorist organization who kill and kidnap people constantly, they also force towns to sign protection contracts, towns who break these contracts get destroyed.
Church of Martel = Church dedicated to the Goddess Martel who is asleep.
Chosen One = Person who is able to awaken the Goddess Martel, this person is produced through controlling family breeding lines.
Cruxis = The Organization of Angel's which the Church worships and gets it's divine information from.

Super Spoiler Video 1) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=soI7Z7bwVnw
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This is one of those HOLY SHIT Oh me yarm Oh - "Everything you thought is wrong" moments :-).


Tales of Phantasia spoiler:
Spoiler:
You find out that the antagonist is just trying to stop people from destroying the mana tree so that he can get the mana seed to save his planet from dying


Luminous Arc Spoiler:
Spoiler:
You play as a group called the "Garden Children" a bunch of Orphans raised by the church. The group is tasked with the job to find and kill all witches, who are evil and whose magic is stolen from the Church's god.

You find out that Witches are actually born from the planet itself in order to protect the planet from danger, the reason they have appeared is because the Church's God who is asleep is close to awakening and if that happens the Church's God will destroy the world. The Church is ruthless and ignorant in it's prosecution and even goes so far to create an artificial witch within the body of an innocent girl in order to fight the other witches.
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Postby ThorFluff » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:46 am UTC

Knights of the Old Republic.
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Shadow Of The Colossus, Cried through the end fight.

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Postby Jack21222 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:34 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I love political stories, such as Xenogears, Final Fantasy Tactics and Suikoden. I really enjoy a refreshing story set in the "modern" world, like Persona. I don't know about the other games (only played Devil Summoner and Persona 3) but I loved how in Persona 3 there was plenty of conflict within your group of party members. It made the characters very realistic.

I loved FFX's world. It was well built and almost every town or place had a reason for existing and made sense in the context of the story.


Suikoden has to be my favorite. Suikoden 2, in particular.

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:12 pm UTC

Planescape:Torment.

The goal of the game is to figure out why you can't die and, ultimately, to die.
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Postby ThorFluff » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:28 pm UTC

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Postby segmentation fault » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:01 pm UTC

The Journeyman Project series.

easily one of the most well thought storylines i have ever experienced.
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Postby harpwner » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:09 pm UTC

Chrono Trigger
It employs an actual diverse RPG story line without using the "find the x amount of crystals/pendants/keys and unlock the final boss" formula. I enjoyed it thoroughly from beginning to end. It has side stories that incorporate themselves with the main plotline and the time travel cause and effect sections are well done.
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Postby Rodan » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:30 pm UTC

Psychonauts.

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Postby Dr. Canadian Ninja » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:59 pm UTC

ThorFluff wrote:Knights of the Old Republic.
Did NOT see the plottwist comming.


And then it happened again in KotOR 2. And then I don't think I would've blinked if they used the same twist in Mass Effect. Somehow.

I have a particular fondness for the stories of Final Fantasy Tactics and Xenosaga. I'm not sure if I'd put one over the other.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot?

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:21 pm UTC

Not my favorite, but it bears mentioning:
I'm really enjoying Lost Odyssey right now, and the 'Dream' story vignettes have been (a bit heavy handed and melodramatic, but still very) heartbreaking and beautiful. The characters so far do not appear to have the wisdom that immortality should impart, but I like what I've seen so far.
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Postby semicolon » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:07 pm UTC

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Re: Favourite Game Plot?

Postby Clumpy » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:00 pm UTC

Skies of Arcadia, Beyond Good and Evil, and Prince of Persia. Deus Ex ain't bad, either.

As I recall, the plot of Tales of Symphonia mainly revolves around childhood pets and favorite colors, which you hear about every twenty seconds or so on the overworld screen. Just to make sure that you remain on topic it throws in the same pseudo-mythological bull that Japanese games with good battle systems and terrible stories have been recycling for years. Not to mention cooking, saving dragons, doing your taxes and a hundred other completely unrelated things to world-saving.

You'll have to excuse my ToS hating - it's really not that bad. my game had a bug 40 hours in and wouldn't let me finish a dungeon. I've since gotten into Rogue Galaxy, which combines the gameplay I liked from ToS with more of a Skies of Arcadia story, though not quite as good, of course.

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Postby PhantomReality » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:30 pm UTC

Half Life. No contest. It's just fucking brilliant, everything about it is so cool.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Clumpy » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:23 pm UTC

Half-Life did a good job of integrating the story with gameplay. The story was sparse, but at least it was unobtrusive.

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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby pinkgothic » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:34 pm UTC

Well, despite Oddworld being about as black and white as is even possible, I really enjoyed Stranger's Wrath...

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...which is strange, because I 'ruined' it for me beforehand, without knowing I'd ruined it for me. I didn't realise him being a Steef would be hidden in the actual game, plot-relevantly, even when I was playing it, almost up to the point where Stranger has the conversation with Sekto on the telephone. (On the other hand, this means I don't know if it was obvious from a mile off for someone who didn't know it all along, so perhaps the point I'm going to end up making isn't much of a point at all.)

At any rate, what got me about the plot was not so much the twist itself, but the way it was done... *sucks in breath*

That scene, I feel, is not just about the danger of his identity as a Steef - it's pure humiliation. Even when his death has basically been assured simply on basis that he's been caught by those people who are in competition with him, you can see the despair in his face when the tides turn on his little secret. I always had the impression he was trying so desperately to fit in, to be something more than a freak - the last of his race - and he hid it quite well, right until that moment, and the entire Tough Guy exterior peels away to reveal the vulnerable interior.

And then, abruptly, he's not their semi-respected equal, and their mocking jabs adopt an entirely different note... because he's just an animal, nothing more.


Also, there's something to be said about the black humour of the previous Oddworld games. Really, they have some good writing.
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:49 pm UTC

HL's story really picked up with Episode Two, I think.
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Postby Irrefutable » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:46 pm UTC

Realy? i saw Ep 2 more as a bridging point and had little in the way of plot

However
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The cutscene with the G MAN talking sent shivers down my spine and i thought was awsome :D
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Postby espire » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:49 pm UTC

I agree with OP; Tales of Symphonia has an amazing story. I've never actually beaten it, or even gotten to the second disc :oops:, but it really is amazing.
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Postby Yuri2356 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:22 am UTC

I've found that Half-Life strikes the right balance between Mystery and exposition. It manages to give you that 'What the hell is gonig on!?' feeling, without making you think that the writers are just tossing random crap at you so they can put off writing an actual story.

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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby coppro » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:25 am UTC

ToS has a simply incredible storyline, but one pair of games that have one of my favorite storylines is, without a doubt, that of the Golden Sun series. The first game was relatively predictable, but the second game kinda takes everything you already knew and smashes it. Hard. With multiple hammers. Very similar to ToS.

And the ending... Alex is such a jerk.

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Postby Dr. Canadian Ninja » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:26 am UTC

Clumpy wrote:You'll have to excuse my ToS hating - it's really not that bad. my game had a bug 40 hours in and wouldn't let me finish a dungeon.


I know how that feels. Second to last dungeon in Wind Waker, and one NPC keeps repeating the same thing over and over. Could never get past it because said character would never shut up long enough for me to do what he says.

Very annoying indeed.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:40 am UTC

espire wrote:I agree with OP; Tales of Symphonia has an amazing story. I've never actually beaten it, or even gotten to the second disc :oops:, but it really is amazing.


I thought the twist about 1/3rd in was all there was going to be but there is a few more...like with the storyteller, and some stuff that happens at Ozette.
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Irrefutable wrote:Realy? i saw Ep 2 more as a bridging point and had little in the way of plot

However
Spoiler:
The cutscene with the G MAN talking sent shivers down my spine and i thought was awsome :D


Eh? Do you mean Ep1? Because Ep2 had...

Spoiler:
-The revelation of the superportal
-A confirmation of what was in Alyx's flash drive thing.
-What the rebels were doing now that City 17 was down
-What the Combine were doing
-The Gman thing, clarifying all the vortigaunt stuff
-Well, Alyx's temporary death of course.
-The destruction of the superportal
-More stuff with the Advisors
-We found out what the Gman was up to in Black Mesa. Or some of it, at least.
-Eli's death.
-Aperture Science, who did what they must, because they could.


Compared to, say, Ep1, where the story was:
Spoiler:
-The Citadel's going to blow.
-That's really going to suck.
-Let's run.


Actually, I shouldn't say that HL "started to pick up" at Ep2, but I felt that Ep1 was a bit of a letdown in the plot department, so I should say it "picked back up"...it also finally answered some questions, or at least suggested the end of some of them (someone else mentioning the G-man, for instance).
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Postby aion7 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:54 am UTC

The winner:
Final Fantasy VI
Spoiler:
You drop from your airship onto the floating island that has the ultimate power that the totally awesome villain is about to get. Just as you think you are about to kill Kefka, he, using his new powers, transforms the entire world into a wasteland, with a cutscene where you see many helpful, but ironically helpless, npc's that you met in your journey up till then dying, falling into the widening cracks in the earth, to the horror of the survivors. You wake up, and find it's been years (or was it just one year), since that happens, and you are isolated from your party, with only the company of old Cid, the father figure, who proceeds to die.


Runner ups:
Portal
I see no need to elaborate here.

Starcraft
One word: Zeratul

Chrono Trigger
There's just something about seeing the links between events in radically different times. Also Frog. Also Magus.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:55 am UTC

Ultima 4-7.

Lemme boil down the plot to 4 as meme reference.

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Seriously, that was it. Can you be Honest, Courageous, Compassionate, Just, Honorable, Spiritual, willing to sacrifice, and Humble at the same time?

5 pretty much was about why legislating morality is a bad idea, and 6's plot was basically how your actions in 4 and 5 basically doomed an innocent race to extinction unless you and everyone else can get over the fact that they look like 8 foot tall demons.

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Postby Clumpy » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:00 am UTC

Now for me to repent on my ToS hating. I thought that Colette was a cool character - nearly as good as Fina from Skies of Arcadia.

I think I'm with coppro on Golden Sun. It's not that the story per se is so amazing, but they did a great job of creating a cohesive world and making you care about the characters. The cheat that allowed me to name my party however I wanted was amazing. My choices tended toward the juvenile.

I just wish that the main character would say something. The Silent Main Character is a misguided design tactic used by far too many games. It only really works with Zelda titles.

Speaking of which, does anybody remember the final movie from Link's Awakening? There's some emotion in 8-bit, and the music's perfect.

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Postby ZZCat13 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:04 am UTC

I'd have to cast another vote for Shadow of the Colossus.

Spoiler:
Stomping those guys on horseback as a colossus at the end was far too much fun. The part, though, where you're trying to escape the gravity well thing and you realize you can't...I almost threw the PS2 controller through the window in protest - I was going to die and there wasn't a thing I could do about it.


Totally not wanting to start a flame war or anything here, but the only reason I finished ToS was that the battle system was so fun. The storyline and characters drove me up the wall. At more than a couple points I was seriously trying to kill Colette mid-battle; her one-dimensional character and vapid, useless dialogue just drove me nuts. Lloyd wasn't much better.

I admit though, I adored Zelos. I adored the plot twist and the bright pink clothes, and especially loved his ability where he could talk to any female and automatically receive items - and some of the things he said in battle were priceless.
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Postby Gunfingers » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:15 pm UTC

aion7 wrote:The winner:
Final Fantasy VI
Spoiler:
You drop from your airship onto the floating island that has the ultimate power that the totally awesome villain is about to get. Just as you think you are about to kill Kefka, he, using his new powers, transforms the entire world into a wasteland, with a cutscene where you see many helpful, but ironically helpless, npc's that you met in your journey up till then dying, falling into the widening cracks in the earth, to the horror of the survivors. You wake up, and find it's been years (or was it just one year), since that happens, and you are isolated from your party, with only the company of old Cid, the father figure, who proceeds to die.

...
Chrono Trigger
There's just something about seeing the links between events in radically different times. Also Frog. Also Magus.


I half want to second FFVI and Chrono Trigger, but another part of me is thinking "But the really good thing about both games wasn't the plot (although the plot was good), it was the characters!" Which would mean that it's not really appropriate for this thread.

StarCraft was a good mention, although i usually only found the Terran Campaigns to be particularly interesting. The others tended to resort too much to the "Find crystals and do stuff with them" thing.

I feel Halo deserves a mention, too.

I don't think i could come up with a good entry for straight up plot.

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Postby Enneract » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:43 pm UTC

Baldur's Gate series, with only tentative inclusion of Throne of Bhaal (only for finality and symmetry's sake). Especially BGII though, Jon Irenicus remains my picture of the penultimate fantasy villain.

And seconded that Knights of the Old Republic - I never saw that coming either,

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Postby segmentation fault » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:10 pm UTC

aion7 wrote:The winner:
Final Fantasy VI
Spoiler:
You drop from your airship onto the floating island that has the ultimate power that the totally awesome villain is about to get. Just as you think you are about to kill Kefka, he, using his new powers, transforms the entire world into a wasteland, with a cutscene where you see many helpful, but ironically helpless, npc's that you met in your journey up till then dying, falling into the widening cracks in the earth, to the horror of the survivors. You wake up, and find it's been years (or was it just one year), since that happens, and you are isolated from your party, with only the company of old Cid, the father figure, who proceeds to die.


Spoiler:
you can save Cid, no?
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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby clayasaurus » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:05 pm UTC

I'll second ff7. So unbelievable, what a work of art.

Maybe I should replay that...
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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Indon » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:22 pm UTC

Hmm. My votes are the ever-popular Chrono Trigger, and the original Starocean game for the SNES (which due to difficulties with the translation I was using, I got lost off the plot and never managed to finish).

Edit: Rockman and Forte gets honorary mention for the very end of Rock's story...

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At which point Rock goes Zeroth Law of Robotics and finally tries to kill Wily.
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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Amnesiasoft » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:56 pm UTC

I quite enjoyed Broken Swor, then again, I'm a sucker for crazy conspiracy theories :P

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Re: Favourite Game Plot? (there might just be spoilers)

Postby Daeren Ryft » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:21 pm UTC

Breath of Fire IV. Very few people I know have played this.

Spoiler:
Yes, this may be a long drawn out version of saying NO [Ryu] YOU ARE THE DEMONS. But the way they do it is brilliant, and the uncensored verson has some bitchingly cool cutscenes. Theres the novelty as playing as the big bad guy (Who, along with you, is half of the legendary god-emperor of past times) for the first few parts of the game, rocking epic kinds of ass as a level 70 demi-god, and at the same time realizing hes not all that bad over the course of the few segments you have with him over the first three quarters of the game or so. He just really hates people. The thing that finally drives him insane (in his last segment) is that a peasent lady falls in love with him, and the army attacks the village trying to find him to kill him, and end up using the womans soul to fuel a cannon [which is a revalation in and of itself, since earlier you were cleaning up a mess it made before the game started without knowing what it was] that shoots a cursed fog at the villain and an entire pristine forest around him, blighting the area forever. That crushes the last bit of kindness in that half of Fou-Lu, while Ryu (half #2, rescued by a princess) is still human-like, leading to EPIC BATTLE of wills at the end, where if you screw up you get to turn into a reborn dragon god and rape your party to death. Otherwise you battle him, take over his soul, and proceed to kill all of dragonkind to make sure none of this ever happens again. Kinda lose-lose, since the dragons were all incredibly cool except for Fou-Lu.

Misc spoiler-y but awesome things in the game:
Spoiler:
You travel with a robot who turns out to be a dragon spirit stuck in the body. Who's also a total babe.
You meet a bunch of jungle-tribbles with their own language.
MAJOR SPOILER: Princess Nina's sister is the macguffin for the first good while of the game, and is the source of the adventure. You finally track her down, and go through a horrible giant-organ-filled factory place to find her. You find her, and shes on this bed. The secondary protagonist whos in love with her takes off her sheets...and from the waists down shes this horrible pulsating mass of organs. The Evil Empire (tm) has infused her with dragon blood, horribly mutating her and turning her vital energy into cheap, renewable energy for their empire. Science! (The boyfriend has to proceed to kill her to set her free)
Fou-Lu gets stabbed with a dragon-slaying blade by his pansy descendant, only to yank it out and use it to slice the punk's head off (Uncensored version only.)

So yeah. Awesome game. PS1. Get it. Now.
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