Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

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Which Pokemon did you pick the first time?

Bulbasaur
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Squirtle
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Charmander
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Cheese » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:28 pm UTC

...Charmander. As many people did in their first game, I pretty much exclusively used him, and my final team against the Elite Four consisted of level 100 'Hotspot', a Pigeot in the early 40s, and some other miscellaneous things I picked up along the way (which were just used so I had time to revive my Charizard).

However, every game since then I've chosen Charmander, because he is my favourite starter (and Charizard ranks high in my all-time favourites, along with Dragonite and Gyarados - dragons FTW!). In other Pokemon games, I tend to pick the fire starter first try as well.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:57 am UTC

I went, Squirtle, Cyndaquil, Mudkip, Piplup.

Mostly how cool their last evolution is wrt the other's last.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Qoppa » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:16 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:I went, Squirtle, Cyndaquil, Mudkip, Piplup.

Mostly how cool their last evolution is wrt the other's last.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Rodan » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:17 am UTC

Actually I don't.
Typhlosion (I... think I spelled that right) is where it's fucking AT.


... wait, wrong generation. Shit.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby hyperion » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:42 am UTC

I voted for charmander. And now I want to play pokemon.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Jack Saladin » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:50 am UTC

Man, I would totally buy a Wii for a well made Pokemon game with the Red/Blue Pokemon.

Too bad Game Freak have to be the laziest developers on the planet. The franchise really needs to be handed off to someone else. Can that happen? Who owns the rights?

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby michaelandjimi » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:43 am UTC

Sorry, I'm not really into pokemon.
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I chose Charmander. Randomly, I believe.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:54 pm UTC

I wish there was a pokemon game EXACTLY like the handheld games except 3d, on a console that can handle 3d well (ie. not the DS).

Also, if it was an MMO at the same time that would kick ass.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Istrom » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:01 pm UTC

I always chose bulbasaur, as he was good against the first two gyms, allowing me to fly through that, and I would train other pokemon (pidgey I believe) to deal with the multitude of grass pokemon on the journey. I remember when I got the game I went through the guide (I was little, don't blame me for using a guide) and looked at which pokemon was the best against the most gym leaders. Bulbasaur was good against 1,2,3 (ressistance) and also the last gym, so I chose him.

I remember reading somewhere that in each game the starters correspond to one of threeplaying types. charmander/chikorita/(torchik or the green lizard) were for people that wanted to raise an even team and strategically plan their team, bulbasaur/cyndaquil/mudkip were for those who wanted to run through the game as fats as they could, and the others were the "standard".

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby aion7 » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:07 pm UTC

Squirtle, I believe. He looked coolest. And Charmander was way to overhyped.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:39 pm UTC

Squirtle. His final form had a cannon on its back. But I think I quickly got Pokemon Yellow instead, and played that more. Ran with Hypno for most of the game. Psychic was overpowered.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby coppro » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:56 am UTC

Blatm wrote:(in fact, at some point he was leveled so much that he wouldn't obey me.)
Bwuh? That only happens for traded Pokémon (so that a friend can't trade you a lvl 100 and make the game trivial). Pokémon you raised yourself are fine (meaning your friend can train your Charizard to lvl 100, making the game trivial).

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Blatm » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:19 am UTC

coppro wrote:
Blatm wrote:(in fact, at some point he was leveled so much that he wouldn't obey me.)
Bwuh? That only happens for traded Pokémon (so that a friend can't trade you a lvl 100 and make the game trivial). Pokémon you raised yourself are fine (meaning your friend can train your Charizard to lvl 100, making the game trivial).


In red/blue (and maybe others), it was true for your pokemon as well. I can't seem to find a particularly credible source, but Gamewinners says:

Badges:
Boulder Badge (Brock: Pewter City) - Power increases a little, lets you use Flash.
Cascade Badge (Misty: Cerulean City) - Pokémon up to L30 will obey you, lets you use Cut.
Thunder Badge (Lt. Surge: Vermilion City) - Speed increases a litte, lets you use Fly.
Rainbow Badge (Erika: Celadon City) - Pokémon up to L50 will obey you, lets you use Strength.
Marsh Badge (Sabrina: Saffron City) - Pokémon up to L70 will obey you.
Soul Badge (Koga: Fuchsia City) - Defense increases a little, lets you use Surf.
Volcano Badge (Blaine: Cinnabar Island) - Special abilities increase a little.
Earth Badge (Giovanni: Viridian City) - ALL Pokémon will obey you.


(from http://www.gamewinners.com/walkthrough/pokemon/page9.htm)

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby joeframbach » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:33 am UTC

Just like raising teenagers, it is possible for one of your own pokemon to disobey you once they reach a certain level.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Amnesiasoft » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:40 am UTC

coppro wrote:Bwuh? That only happens for traded Pokémon (so that a friend can't trade you a lvl 100 and make the game trivial). Pokémon you raised yourself are fine (meaning your friend can train your Charizard to lvl 100, making the game trivial).

This matches my experience. The only pokemon I've seen disobey were traded ones.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:05 am UTC

Yep, 90% of the time I play pokemon I only level up my original pokemon (or if he is shitty something else) for the whole game, and he gets to way higher levels then I'm supposed to be able to control and it works.

Throughout all games it's only ever traded ones that disobey if they get too high.

Hell before you get the first level control badge even level 1 tradeds disobey you (I think, at least traded level 10s do, I know that for a fact).
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Cheese » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:00 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Hell before you get the first level control badge even level 1 tradeds disobey you (I think, at least traded level 10s do, I know that for a fact).
...one thing I really don't understand about pokemon - why can't you EVER find a level 1? I've had 2s, but not once seen anything of level 1...
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Blatm » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:54 pm UTC

Cheese wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:Hell before you get the first level control badge even level 1 tradeds disobey you (I think, at least traded level 10s do, I know that for a fact).
...one thing I really don't understand about pokemon - why can't you EVER find a level 1? I've had 2s, but not once seen anything of level 1...


Missingno is the only level 1 I ever saw.

It's maybe similar to the "There are 1 types of people in the world: those who start their arrays with 0, and those who start them with 1." joke, where a level 1 is like a level 0. (Hooray for completely improvised and hopeful guesses that are almost definitely wrong.) (Firefox doesn't recognize "hooray" as a mistake, apparently)

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Nyssa » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:40 pm UTC

I found my old gameboy recently, and it had a game in it. I was totally excited, thinking it would be Pokemon and I'd be able to play it. But nooooo, I flip it around and see Pokemon Pinball. I was so sad. That game sucked.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:51 am UTC

Pokemon that are just hatched are level 1.

The reason you don't ever find level 1 pokemon in the wild is as follows.

1) Only pokemon which are just hatched are level one.
2) You only ever find eggs at the pokemon nursery.
3) In the wild you never find pokemon eggs, nor have pokemon ever been observed to mate.
4) Thus, you never meet pokemon which have just hatched.

The pokemon you do meet which are like 2 level are still fairly new born (or just piss weak). It's just that they've gone through "experiences" before they've met you and so they're not totally unexperienced.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Zak » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:24 am UTC

*hums "are you experienced?"*

But yeah, poor little buggers, only being able to mate in a laboratory environment :?
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby coppro » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:32 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Pokemon that are just hatched are level 1.
Only in the DS games - it's been lvl 5 out of the egg for GSC and RSE generations.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Stief » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:58 am UTC

I usually chose Bulbasaur due to him being able to own the first 3 gym leaders in type
(Grass>rock, Grass>water, and electric not being very effective against grass :D)
of course, I'd have other pokemon to help bulbasaur :P

I've always found it sad that the one pokemon not chosen by either you or Gary/Rival was destined to stay there forever...

even if you had 149/150 (or 150/151)

"c'mon professor Oak, I just need this one pokemon to complete my pokedex!"
"No sorry, you've chosen your pokemon"
"WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? IT ISN'T DOING ANYTHING THERE!"
etc.

you then use Mewtwo to destroy the lab and steal the final pokemon, before becoming a megalomaniac pokemon trainer who completely destroys Giovanni and takes over Team Rocket, before using your power to take over both Kanto and Johto. you then go on to the world, before using the powers of all legendary pokemon to create a golden utopia in which you rule as a kind of pokemon master demi-god...

...or you could trade it over and complete the pokedex that way...*cough*

Seriously, a Pokemon MMO would be amazing...you could even choose to join Team Rocket, either at the beginning a la WOW's alliance and horde or just choose to join them whenever, a la some MMO which lets you do that...but then again, having various pokemon trainers running around would be ok.
Ooh! and you could choose a 'path' so-to-speak, as in you can choose to just train to be the very best, like no-one ever was (etc.), or you could train to become a pokemon breeder, or anything else...
Guilds could be newly built Gyms, smaller than the main ones of the game, where people would battle the leader and get a badge, like honour points in WOW...

...help me I shouldn't be this enthusiastic about that :D
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Blatm » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:00 am UTC

I spent the whole day playing blue today. It was a good bit of nostalgia (read: Fun!).

Regarding the aforementioned obedience issue, I stand corrected. It only concerns traded Pokemon. However, in my red game, I did have issues with it, because at the very beginning of the game, I had someone else start a new file and give me a Charmander in addition to my Squirtle.

Also, Bulbasaur isn't nearly as good as I thought he would be. I have a party consisting of Gravler, Kadabra, Jolteon, Vulpix, Gyarados and Venusaur, who does nothing. Grass is only good against water and rock/ground, and Jolteon takes care of the first and Gyarados the second. Charmander would have been a much better choice because oh God does Vulpix suck (though not quite as badly as the Pikachu I was using before I got Eevee). Hopefully when it gets a better fire move than ember and gets evolved into Ninetails, it'll be better, but hopes aren't sky high. I'm probably going to end up teaching a fire move to Gyarados or the Dratini I'm planning on catching.

Also, Kadabra and Gyarados are ridiculous. I try to level my other Pokemon to keep up, but they're the "I'm fed up, please die" duo. I could continue making progress with just them for a long, long time.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Kag » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:10 am UTC

Venasaur is poison type, too, you know.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby lowbart » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:09 pm UTC

Blatm wrote:Do any of you remember your old teams?


Unfortunately I saved over the game that I started in 1999, but later tonight I'll check what my team was from a couple years ago when my school had a Pokemon revival.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:11 pm UTC

Kag wrote:Venasaur is poison type, too, you know.


Was he Grass/Poison in R/B/Y?

I can't remember...
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby The Hyphenator » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:54 pm UTC

I should totally break out Diamond again; I never realized how many people here liked Pokémon. (<-See that fancy accent there?) I quit playing because there were just too many new ones, even though I logged over 200 hours on Ruby. :)

BTW, I voted for Bulbasaur, even though I don't remember what I really chose, because Leech Seed owns hard these days.
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Amnesiasoft » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:23 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Was he Grass/Poison in R/B/Y?

I can't remember...

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Dobblesworth » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:40 pm UTC

I do believe the Bulba/Ivy/Vena-saur family were all Grass-Poison dual types in the original. In fact, probably all grass pokemon in the initial series (with the exception of Tangela perhaps) carried a Poison combination type. I very rarely took a grass starter in my multiple replays of Pokemon Blue - I would usually opt for a Bellsprout to act as an HM-slave for cut (no way I'd let lil' Charmander be delegated that role).

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Upsilon » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:49 pm UTC

I picked Charmander. It's a fire-lizard; how don't you choose that?
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Ondore » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:02 pm UTC

Dobblesworth wrote:I do believe the Bulba/Ivy/Vena-saur family were all Grass-Poison dual types in the original. In fact, probably all grass pokemon in the initial series (with the exception of Tangela perhaps) carried a Poison combination type. I very rarely took a grass starter in my multiple replays of Pokemon Blue - I would usually opt for a Bellsprout to act as an HM-slave for cut (no way I'd let lil' Charmander be delegated that role).


Parasect was Bug/Grass, but the Bug type was what he was mainly used for (that and Spore). Still, in RBY it meant 3 types - Fire, Flying, and Poison - could deal quadruple damage to him.

I suspect he did something nasty with a family member of one of the developers. Same with Flareon and Farfetch'd.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:53 am UTC

Wasn't Parasect a G/S pokemon?

Anyway, bug was so useless until.. well.. basically until D/P but it was extra useless in R/B/Y
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Blatm » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:18 am UTC

Bug was supposed to be the only counter to psychic in R/B/Y (as all ghost pokemon* were ghost/poison, so psychics would kick their ass), but giving Jolteon Pin Missile rendered them obsolete. In fact, I can't think of another bug attack.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:55 am UTC

Well, it would be fine for the STAB bonus (did they have that in RBY?). If it wasn't for every single grass pokemon having the worst base stats ever.

The only other grass attack I can really think of are post-RBY, like X-scissors and Bugbuzz and U-turn (wait.. Is U-turn bug or flying? I forgot -_-).
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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Blatm » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:06 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Well, it would be fine for the STAB bonus (did they have that in RBY?). If it wasn't for every single grass pokemon having the worst base stats ever.

The only other grass attack I can really think of are post-RBY, like X-scissors and Bugbuzz and U-turn (wait.. Is U-turn bug or flying? I forgot -_-).


Leech Life is apparently a bug attack as well, but is so incredibly weak that it doesn't really matter.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Ondore » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:53 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Wasn't Parasect a G/S pokemon?

Anyway, bug was so useless until.. well.. basically until D/P but it was extra useless in R/B/Y


Nope, it's #47 in the National Pokedex which puts it squarely in RBY territory. And the only bug moves were Leech Life (20 power, lolz), Twinneedle (Beedrill exclusive, Beedrill dies to everything) and the aforementioned Pin Missile.

Since then, we got... well, see for yourself: http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/bug.shtml

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby joeframbach » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:55 pm UTC

Blatm wrote:Leech Life is apparently a bug attack as well, but is so incredibly weak that it doesn't really matter.

No way. Leech Life has saved my ass on many occasions. Especially when I'm near death and the opponent decides to do something stupid like growl.

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Re: Now That I Think Of It... (Pokemon Red/Blue)

Postby Gelsamel » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:32 am UTC

Was parasect a red pokemon? Because I swear to god I never saw or even heard of him until Silver :-/.
"Give up here?"
- > No
"Do you accept defeat?"
- > No
"Do you think games are silly little things?"
- > No
"Is it all pointless?"
- > No
"Do you admit there is no meaning to this world?"
- > No


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