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Postby Gelsamel » Mon May 07, 2007 11:05 pm UTC

Stepmania = Best DDR for Fingers.
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Postby Phenriz » Mon May 07, 2007 11:10 pm UTC

neg, guitar > techno/pop (in almost all cases)
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Postby shadebug » Tue May 08, 2007 7:08 am UTC

ccromwell wrote:The insistence of a few certain individuals in this topic to compare, again and again, Guitar Hero to playing an actual guitar is nothing short of infuriating. It's been said no less than a dozen times - there is no comparison between the two. Stop trying to find one, because it's not there. It's a fun rhythm game that appeals to fans of guitar rock rather than fans of pop and techno, like most other rhythm games. I'm good at the game, I play guitar, and everyone else I know who is good at the game also has some kind of musical aptitude. Being good at Guitar Hero, however, does not make you a good guitar player, and absolutely no one has ever made such a claim. Being a guitar player tends to give people a head start in the game, but there is still no comparison whatsoever to be made.

That said, Guitar Hero and its sequel are two of my all-time favorite games, hands down. From the song selection to the artistic presentation, I've been hooked on them for several months now.


I dunno, of my friends who have tried playing, it's the one with absolutely no guitaring experience whatsoever who picked it up quickest. (dedicated rhythm guitarists die slow horrible deaths whenever they go anywhere near it)

Either way, as I'm pretty sure I've mentioned in this thread, guitar hero is a decent stepping stone to real guitar in that you'll learn the need to practice and master the instrument. Of course, i finger pick so my guitar hero and guitar (well, bass) technique have little to do with each other.

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Postby rockintom99 » Wed May 09, 2007 4:07 pm UTC

SIM CITY SUCKS. YOU DON'T DO ANY PAPERWORK OR BRIBE PEOPLE FOR VOTES, SO IT ISN'T REALISTIC, AND THEREFORE IT SUCKS. AMIRITE?
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rockintom99 wrote:SIM CITY SUCKS. YOU DON'T DO ANY PAPERWORK OR BRIBE PEOPLE FOR VOTES, SO IT ISN'T REALISTIC, AND THEREFORE IT SUCKS. AMIRITE?


Yes, U R RITE. At least in my opinion. However, Sim Coaster rules.
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Postby Phenriz » Wed May 09, 2007 4:27 pm UTC

sim ant ftw
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Postby Marten (the great) » Wed May 09, 2007 4:51 pm UTC

I didn't know so many guitarists were so snobby. I've never heard a dancer bitching about how DDR isn't real dancing. No one's claiming it's anything more than a fun game. see the last warning on the VGcats comic linked earlier. That said, I'd totally pick this up

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Postby MFHodge » Wed May 09, 2007 4:59 pm UTC

I love playing Guitar Hero. The biggest downfall the game has is that it gives some message board jerks (not here, other boards) the illusion that they should act all cooler-than-thou and say stupid stuff like, "Yeah, I'm too busy playing my real guitar to play that stupid thing." Actually, you are too busy posting in the boards. I assume that you are also too cool to play driving games and sports games too?

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Postby ZeroSum » Wed May 09, 2007 8:07 pm UTC

Today's CAD-Comic is relevant to the discussion.

One of my friends said: "Why would you play that? Why not just learn to play the guitar?"

My response: "Because you can RAWK OUT with GH in ten minutes."

The point isn't to play the guitar, it's to RAWK OUT. Remember that, children.

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Postby TheLordOfPhysics » Wed May 09, 2007 10:08 pm UTC

Are you KDDING?!?!?!!?!!11!?!?!?!
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Postby Aglet » Wed May 09, 2007 11:14 pm UTC

ZeroSum wrote:Today's CAD-Comic is relevant to the discussion.

One of my friends said: "Why would you play that? Why not just learn to play the guitar?"

My response: "Because you can RAWK OUT with GH in ten minutes."

The point isn't to play the guitar, it's to RAWK OUT. Remember that, children.


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Postby Toeofdoom » Thu May 10, 2007 1:08 am UTC

I dont play GH cause I dont have a console :(

I cold play frets on fire...


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at first I disliked it cause of the ads (they get put into my "worst ads ever" folder), then because it had no link to guitar playing, then I realised that didn't matter, once I actually saw people playing it, cause it was like, fun.
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Postby bookishbunny » Thu May 10, 2007 12:06 pm UTC

Marten (the great) wrote:I didn't know so many guitarists were so snobby. I've never heard a dancer bitching about how DDR isn't real dancing.


Oh me yarm! DDR, like, totally sucks! It's so not real dancing!
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Postby Toeofdoom » Thu May 10, 2007 12:44 pm UTC

DDR can be real dancing...

Seriously, it can. So shut up.
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Postby MFHodge » Thu May 10, 2007 12:48 pm UTC

Toeofdoom wrote:DDR can be real dancing...

Seriously, it can. So shut up.


I suppose any attempt to match movement to music would be called dancing. Now if we want to talk about good dancing. . . . :)

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Postby shadebug » Thu May 10, 2007 12:49 pm UTC

yet the tv and film industry would have us believe that you can freestyle on ddr
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Postby Toeofdoom » Thu May 10, 2007 12:51 pm UTC

VTHodge wrote:
Toeofdoom wrote:DDR can be real dancing...

Seriously, it can. So shut up.


I suppose any attempt to match movement to music would be called dancing. Now if we want to talk about good dancing. . . . :)


hehehe. I have seen a couple of good video clips though. Thats about it really.

I cannot wait for the day someone brings a "dancemat" into the games lab for us to play stepmania on, that would be hilarious.
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Postby Castaway » Thu May 10, 2007 1:37 pm UTC

Has anyone ever tried playing a 3D fighter with a DDR pad? It's fun for like 5 minutes.
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Postby Carosaurus » Thu May 10, 2007 3:00 pm UTC

Phenriz wrote:sim ant ftw


You rule, man. Sim Earth was pretty sweet, too.

Guitar Hero is fun, but I'd rather spend my time actually playing guitar. DDR makes a hilarious drinking game, and a pretty fun workout, but it makes you look like an epileptic leprechaun. If you call that dancing, more power to you.
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Postby shadebug » Thu May 10, 2007 3:52 pm UTC

actually playing guitar is fun, no doubt about it, but it is also very costly and doesn't give you the satisfaction of being in a band, unless you actually get in a band, but that still doesn't give you the satisfaction of being in a good band, unless you get into a good band, in which case you'll have spent many years and thousands of your favourite currency to get where you are. Was it worth it?
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Postby Carosaurus » Thu May 10, 2007 5:54 pm UTC

My guitar only cost me $200 on Craig's List. It's awesome. You don't need a band to be famous. You don't even need to be good to be famous. Worth it? Are you kidding? Go ask Bob Dylan if it's been "worth it". Bah, this is a completely different discussion.

GH was ok. The real thing is more fun, and you're learning a great skill. :P
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Postby Gelsamel » Fri May 11, 2007 12:55 am UTC

Guitar hero sucks because Stepmania exists. Not because you use a plastic guitar.
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Postby Pebbles » Fri May 11, 2007 1:31 am UTC

do they have guitar hero 2 for wii?
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Postby Marten (the great) » Fri May 11, 2007 1:53 am UTC

Castaway wrote:Has anyone ever tried playing a 3D fighter with a DDR pad? It's fun for like 5 minutes.


I did soul calibur 2 once. it was kind of funny. you have to do it with the pads that work on both the ps2 and the x box, though, otherwise you don't get all the buttons you need.

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Postby The LuigiManiac » Fri May 11, 2007 2:14 am UTC

Pebbles wrote:do they have guitar hero 2 for wii?


I think it's scheduled for this fall.
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Postby Phenriz » Fri May 11, 2007 2:30 am UTC

The LuigiManiac wrote:
Pebbles wrote:do they have guitar hero 2 for wii?


I think it's scheduled for this fall.


guitar hero 3 i believe is scheduled for the wii, 360, and ps3

but that may just be GH2: 80's (an "expansion" game)
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Postby Toeofdoom » Mon May 14, 2007 12:59 am UTC

I think the main reason I dislike guitar hero is this: People who play it for a few weeks can rock out infront of everyone, but people who spent years practicing an instrument so they can do just that cant really randomly play a song cause its just like, showing off and stuff. I mean, where are the "everyone sit around and play cool music" rooms at partys? I sure haven't found any...


maybe thats just the partys I go to...
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Postby Twasbrillig » Mon May 14, 2007 1:02 am UTC

I played it for the first time last night at a party. I was thoroughly amused, and got to hard mode after half an hour of playing (I'm a pretty hardcore gamer, I catch on to most games real quick.)

Personally, I can see it as being really fun to play at parties but not so much to own - it's just like DDR, there comes a point for every gamer where they simply cannot get any better. Some players can get really, really good, but they'll never get better after a certain point, because it's just repetition of the same old thing.

To summarize, a really fun game, but only as a parlour trick.
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Postby Sandry » Mon May 14, 2007 4:14 am UTC

Guitar Hero is not inherently flawed just because there are some idiots who think it makes them qualified musicians.

Honestly, I find the whole trend of faking out real life skills with video games rather amusing. We have DDR, Karaoke Revolution (I count singing the skill, not karaoke itself), GH, and then there's some or other drum one, though I can't recall the name... I think this could be potentially unlimited entertainment. Now all we need is Crochet Crochet Revolution, Casserole-Making Hero and Extreme Novel-Writing Revolution. Oh, wait, the blagosphere has that last one covered.

But really, it has nothing to do with being a performer, and everything to do with having a good time and getting more exposure to (certain kinds) of music. I have a hard time seeing a major negative here.
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Postby The LuigiManiac » Mon May 14, 2007 4:16 am UTC

Sandry wrote:and then there's some or other drum one, though I can't recall the name...


Donkey Konga?
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Postby __Kit » Mon May 14, 2007 4:29 am UTC

uhh, I played no. 1 at a party, but everyone was hogging it, yeah good time. Iron Man FTW!!!!!!!
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Postby Sandry » Mon May 14, 2007 4:37 am UTC

__Kit wrote:uhh, I played no. 1 at a party, but everyone was hogging it, yeah good time. Iron Man FTW!!!!!!!


Sounds like that Yogi Berra-ism - "no one comes here anymore; it's too crowded."

Actually, you *have* just reminded me of the weakness of GH: a room full of forty people, thirty of whom know only one song on the entire list of offerings - that Franz Ferdinand track. If I have to hear that more than three times in any given twenty minutes, I may end up permanently disfiguring people.

...you know, in a pacifistic sort of way.

I suppose the drum thing may involve Donkey Kong, but it's not ringing any bells.
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Postby NightStar » Mon May 14, 2007 6:10 am UTC

Okay, here's how you overcome the limited selection of songs for Guitar Hero and exercise your natural xkcd-fan inclination to nerdiness at the same time: Mod your PS2, grab some programs off the internet, and start making your own guitar hero songs. Or you can get other people's creations and play them. (Metallica FTW!) I'm currently doing a GH2 chart for Story of the Year's "Our Time Is Now", and I assure you it will be amazing.
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Postby Jauss » Mon May 14, 2007 6:13 am UTC

Toeofdoom wrote: I mean, where are the "everyone sit around and play cool music" rooms at partys? I sure haven't found any...


maybe thats just the partys I go to...


Yup. :P Also, that's sad. :( Playing/singing along to/listening to music with friends/cool people is one of the best things there is.

That said, variety is awesome and different moods call for different fun. Sometimes we have potlucks and music jams with all kinds of instruments and singing or someone will put on an impromptu show. Sometimes we get some take-out and rawk the GH.
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Postby Gelsamel » Mon May 14, 2007 9:30 am UTC

"Give up here?"
- > No
"Do you accept defeat?"
- > No
"Do you think games are silly little things?"
- > No
"Is it all pointless?"
- > No
"Do you admit there is no meaning to this world?"
- > No

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Postby Toeofdoom » Mon May 14, 2007 12:19 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqdp3BcwSuM

How hard would this be on your hand?

Or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI3IzoTb-EQ


Honestly, I see people about that level regularly. Its pretty insane. But I would have much more respect and awe if they even came close to that with a real musical instrument. meh.
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Postby Jesse » Mon May 14, 2007 12:39 pm UTC

But it isn't about gaining respect, it's about having a laugh. Stop taking things too seriously. Personally I am looking forward to 2009's Oboe Champion, that will be awesome.

No-one is ever going to be on stage playing Guitar Hero and recording albums with it, but if they want ten minutes of fun, let them. If you want to play a real guitar, GH isn't going to stop you.

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Postby ZeroSum » Mon May 14, 2007 1:41 pm UTC

The drum one is, I believe, Beatmania. There also exists a keyboard bemani game and Samba de Amingo, a maracas game.

As for the virtualization of real-life "skills", that's what video games are for. StarCraft is a virtual tactics and strategy war. FPS's are virtual shooters. Sports games are obviously virtual sports games. Fighting games, RPGs and so on and so on are all just virtualizations of real-life "skills".

The fun is not that you're "learning" some skill, but that you both don't have to learn the skill (so you can get to the fun part of using it faster) and that you can reach beyond whatever limits you may have (since I'm certain you're never going to blast off a hadoken in this lifetime).

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Postby MFHodge » Mon May 14, 2007 2:21 pm UTC

Just wanted to post that yesterday I got a perfect on "Less Talk More Rokk" on Medium. It's one of my favorites to play.

I can do Hard level OK, but I prefer medium level. I've 5-starred all of the main songs and most of the bonus ones. Some of them are crunchy death metal that I just can't stand. Next one to go to perfect is going to be "Surrender" (I've gotten so close, many times).

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Postby Doitle » Sat May 19, 2007 8:48 pm UTC

I gotta tell you there are a lot of songs on Guitar Hero that are EASIER to play on the real guitar. Killing in the Name of, Jessica, to name a few. These songs are very simplistic on the guitar and pretty tough on Guitar Hero.

I play the guitar in real life and saying that Guitar Hero doesn't help people is just insane. It gets your hands moving, it helps you coordinate your right and left hands. It's basically like doing a hand excercise. Ok sure there aren't hundreds of buttons on the controller for you to actually play every note on but its the movement and the motion that are important.


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