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Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby McLovin » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:00 am UTC

My apologies if there was already another topic on this, but I didn't find one with a search and felt this game deserved its own thread...

I'm about 45 hours in, and I'm barely even halfway through the main game (The Journey). I can quite honestly say that no other game has kept me interested like this. I just got to 10/5, and...all I can say:

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fjkdlsajfkls. Holy hell. This is the most I've ever baww'd over a game, especially with Akihiko going to the auditorium after cutting school to yell at his memorial.


So...who else has played, and who might have any advice / strategies for later shadows? Since I'm already starting to have trouble with the Tartarus bosses -_-

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby lethesoda » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:02 am UTC

I know. It was probably the smartest game purchase I've ever made.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Okita » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:57 am UTC

Resurrecting this thread after 3 years (I know I have a revival bead around here somewhere) to say that I finally started playing this game after having been meaning to for ... years really. It's about as grueling as I thought it would be but it definitely one of the more important games I've played in terms of depth, character, and storyline.

Alas, I'm trying to do a Max Social Link on my first runthrough (I'm weird like that, I don't think I'd enjoy the game otherwise) which means I have to spend almost no time on Tartarus except before the Full Moon. Very very very grindy.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:43 pm UTC

I just got this on PSN after really enjoying Catherine and hearing good things about the Persona series. I'm enjoying it so far, and since I'm not a completionist I love getting to decide how much time I spend in the dungeon crawl vs the social simulator. The Pokemon aspect is entertaining as well, especially since fusion makes it so that new personas are almost never useless*.


*I'm assuming that aside from the opportunity cost of other possible fusions, making a new fusion will almost never lead to a weaker Persona? I suppose you can end up losing useful abilities if they're unable to inherit them.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Kag » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:00 pm UTC

As far as I know the only way to fuse something weaker is by doing normal spread with two persona of the same arcana.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Okita » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:22 pm UTC

The easy way to handle this is to just register your persona before fusing.

Getting 100% completion in terms of persona's is actually not that difficult since it just requires a crap load of money and registered persona.

The hard part is getting max social links. That's very difficult.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby IcedT » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:23 pm UTC

I'm close to finishing up my first playthrough of Persona 4 and I'm really enjoying it. I've heard from a lot of people that 3 is as good or better, so I'll be trying it out soon for sure.

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Shivahn » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:58 pm UTC

IcedT wrote:I'm close to finishing up my first playthrough of Persona 4 and I'm really enjoying it. I've heard from a lot of people that 3 is as good or better, so I'll be trying it out soon for sure.

I have heard, more or less, that 3 has a better story. but 4 polished all the gameplay stuff that sucked about 3.

If I've heard correctly, in order to get max social links in 3, you have to date everyone. That seems like something that'll annoy me when I get around to it, but eh.

(Also, I am so close to beating Persona 4. I got to... the boss before the last dungeon. Like two years ago. I am bad at finishing things.)

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby tms » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:27 pm UTC

Completed main part last spring after playing it somewhat regularly. I only started registering personas quite late in the game, but spent some money on it. I only had a few s.links capped, maybe that's why I needed more than two tries with the finale (savescumming :o ).

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby DaBigCheez » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:20 pm UTC

Shivahn wrote:If I've heard correctly, in order to get max social links in 3, you have to date everyone. That seems like something that'll annoy me when I get around to it, but eh.

This is true - and also, if you're dating someone (Social Link level 6+ but <10) and go out with another person, it'll reverse that Social Link.

As such, Persona 3 advocates serial monogamy as the optimal relationship structure, as once they get to Social Link level 10 they no longer care. This has some...unfortunate implications for a variety of reasons. <_<
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:29 pm UTC

Is there any context for why they stop caring?
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:27 am UTC

setzer777 wrote:*I'm assuming that aside from the opportunity cost of other possible fusions, making a new fusion will almost never lead to a weaker Persona? I suppose you can end up losing useful abilities if they're unable to inherit them.

You can end up with lower level, weaker personas. Fusion results can also be weaker in resistances or stat distribution despite a higher level.

Okita wrote:The easy way to handle this is to just register your persona before fusing.

I usually register one with auto skills (the 3 ma- if possible), one with defenses (repel stuff), and one with miscellanious abilities (weak kill etc).

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:39 am UTC

Hm, status effects seem to have a refreshingly high hit rate in this game!
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:31 am UTC

setzer777 wrote:Hm, status effects seem to have a refreshingly high hit rate in this game!


Not on Maniac in P3P3 :(. Unless your enemies are casting them.

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby DaBigCheez » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:13 pm UTC

setzer777 wrote:Is there any context for why they stop caring?

"You have forged a bond that cannot be broken!"

So, you're so close and well-connected that nothing could possibly break your bond of friendship. Which is why you can get away with never talking to them again, for the entire game, and effectively spit in their faces. But it's okay, because you got past that crucial threshhold at which betrayal is no longer a possibility.

...Yeah, I can see from a game-mechanics perspective why they wouldn't want you to have to maintain Rank 10 social links (for the sense of achievement in maxing it out if nothing else), but considering
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the Rank 10 social link events for those you're dating are strongly implied to be "the two of you have sex together for the first time"
there's some really skeezy implications to never talking to the person in question again afterwards...
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:45 pm UTC

DaBigCheez wrote: there's some really skeezy implications to never talking to the person in question again afterwards...


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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby IcedT » Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:57 am UTC

DaBigCheez wrote:
setzer777 wrote:Is there any context for why they stop caring?

"You have forged a bond that cannot be broken!"

So, you're so close and well-connected that nothing could possibly break your bond of friendship. Which is why you can get away with never talking to them again, for the entire game, and effectively spit in their faces. But it's okay, because you got past that crucial threshhold at which betrayal is no longer a possibility.

...Yeah, I can see from a game-mechanics perspective why they wouldn't want you to have to maintain Rank 10 social links (for the sense of achievement in maxing it out if nothing else), but considering
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the Rank 10 social link events for those you're dating are strongly implied to be "the two of you have sex together for the first time"
there's some really skeezy implications to never talking to the person in question again afterwards...

You know, besides the skeezy implications, I was genuinely kinda bummed out that there's no point gameplay-wise in spending time with a character once you've hit rank 10 with them. I got pretty attached to some of the characters and once the game was like "ok so you won't be seeing much of them anymore" I thought it was a bit of a letdown.

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:41 pm UTC

Btw, do the experience boosts from social links keep pace with the increasing experience point requirements as levels get higher? If I'm two-thirds through the game will I still be getting 2 or 3 extra levels if the social link is high enough?
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby DaBigCheez » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:06 am UTC

setzer777 wrote:Btw, do the experience boosts from social links keep pace with the increasing experience point requirements as levels get higher? If I'm two-thirds through the game will I still be getting 2 or 3 extra levels if the social link is high enough?

Yes - they're actually in percentage-of-xp-to-next level. (Specifically, you get a bonus of (1 + 0.4*LinkLevel) levels when fusing a Persona you have an active Social Link for, which gives between 1.4 and 5 total levels boosted.)
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Laserdan » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:18 am UTC

Great 175 hours I spent when I was sick for several weeks. If you like complicated systems to do stuff that becomes ultra cool, this is the game for you. The story is kinda emo anime style and not very good in my opinion. I find purely the mechanics appealing.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:12 pm UTC

I've died a couple of times now because I keep forgetting that my Persona selection gives me elemental weaknesses myself. Still early in the game - just got Akihiko, and it's nice having a fourth party member.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby IcedT » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:22 pm UTC

Laserdan wrote:The story is kinda emo anime style and not very good in my opinion. I find purely the mechanics appealing.
That's actually part of why I went for P4 first and why I think I'll be on the P4 side in the which-is-better debate. P3 seems a lot more dark and broody but P4 has kindof a Scooby Doo vibe (in a good way).

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:54 am UTC

Wow, this game is so addictive! I don't want the year to end and I feel like I'll want to start a new game as soon as I finish (assuming P4 hasn't come out on PSN yet).

Is it worth playing through "The Answer"? I've heard it kind of drags without the social element and that it's better to just watch the cutscenes.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby kumoru » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:24 pm UTC

they're pretty cool games. the tarot and mythology symbolism is really what makes them special, though.

^ eh, I really liked P3 and the series in general, but the Answer started being a bit of a chore. I'd suggest doing it right away once you finish and see it as a sort of simplistic epilogue, because the gameplay is very watered down and yeah it's pretty story-centric.

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:15 am UTC

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:36 pm UTC

So I got Persona 3 Portable and started a game with female protagonist on hard (playing male protagonist on normal in FES). I thought the graphics and altered navigation would bug me, but they are more than made up for by the gameplay and convenience factors. Now when I play my FES file it just feels so slow (especially day transitions and social link level ups).

Also, hard mode doesn't fuck around...
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:01 pm UTC

setzer777 wrote:Also, hard mode doesn't fuck around...


You want difficulty? Try soloing maniac! Hours and hours of grinding (or less, if purple shadows are vulnerable to mudo/hama) to stand a chance against bosses.
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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Daimon » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:32 am UTC

Nothing beats that classic Persona music that sounds like it's from a 70's porno. Anyways, I remember playing the game a long time ago being extremelly underleveled for every full moon. Besides the first full moon, the second was essentially balls hard for me. I believe it took 10-20 minutes to beat the king and queen, but on this run I two shotted both of the boses - I know I'm playing on easy, but I believe the game in played on PS2 was on easy as well. Maybe I just overlevel everything now I don't know. I'm about ~11 hours in compared to the ~30 something on my PS2. I believe I got to the electric Hierophant boss at that point - Ken, the kid I believe, was the only one even decently leveled at that time. Guess what? He heals the damn boss, and when I set him to conserve SP, he just does nothing rather than attack with his spear. Whatever, at least I'm still good at this run.

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby Menacing Spike » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:16 pm UTC

Daimon wrote:He heals the damn boss


you know you can control directly now right?

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

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Re: Persona 3 (and FES)

Postby setzer777 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:12 pm UTC

Daimon wrote:FULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOPFULL STOP


This is especially amusing now.

Man, starting new game plus on P3P and P4, and my game time is over 100 hours in each (plus about 50 hours on FES)! I'm not sure I've ever played games I didn't get sick of after this amount of playtime.
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