Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
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You quoted instead of spoilered that last bit. Please fix that. I already knew that but people are going to be pissed otherwise!
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I'm just gonna copy my rant over from another forum.
Now, I'm gonna caveat this by saying that the movie wasn't the worst I've seen. It's a shade below 7. So, if you enjoyed 7, 8 will probably be decent for you.
For calibration purposes, I enjoyed watching 7, but was annoyed at the "bigger, badder death star" and similar moves.
Problems I had with the film:
Now, I'm gonna caveat this by saying that the movie wasn't the worst I've seen. It's a shade below 7. So, if you enjoyed 7, 8 will probably be decent for you.
For calibration purposes, I enjoyed watching 7, but was annoyed at the "bigger, badder death star" and similar moves.
Problems I had with the film:
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Tyndmyr wrote:Problems I had with the film:Spoiler:
...holy mother of God. I was done with this at 1, then 2 blew my mind apart with its wrongness. You seriously aren't shitting me, are you?
Anyway, I wasn't going to bother with this to begin with after the weakass fanfic that was JJ-Wars, but I'm definitely not touching it now.
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I thought it was pretty good, though maybe a bit too insular. Maybe Episode IX will be different on that score.
7/10 from me.
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commodorejohn wrote:Tyndmyr wrote:Problems I had with the film:Spoiler:
...holy mother of God. I was done with this at 1, then 2 blew my mind apart with its wrongness. You seriously aren't shitting me, are you?
Anyway, I wasn't going to bother with this to begin with after the weakass fanfic that was JJ-Wars, but I'm definitely not touching it now.
So in other words you weren't going to watch the film anyway.
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Yep. But I'm not going to watch it even harder now.
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I can't quite remember what I posted in my spoily mcspoilface post but...
I enjoyed the movie and it moved things along nicely to a setup for Episode IX. The plot is more original than The Force Awakens and the action scenes are amazing. I was quite fooled by the
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I enjoyed the movie and it moved things along nicely to a setup for Episode IX. The plot is more original than The Force Awakens and the action scenes are amazing. I was quite fooled by the
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commodorejohn wrote:Tyndmyr wrote:Problems I had with the film:Spoiler:
...holy mother of God. I was done with this at 1, then 2 blew my mind apart with its wrongness. You seriously aren't shitting me, are you?
Anyway, I wasn't going to bother with this to begin with after the weakass fanfic that was JJ-Wars, but I'm definitely not touching it now.
Sadly, even if I were trolling, I could not have imagined that ill advised CGI-fest.
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Major plothole?
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I liked it. I thought it was pretty well done and had a lot of great moments. I have also been wondering how the First Order managed to spring up so quickly though. Like, did no one see the signs from the first time this happened? It wasn't that long ago.... I guess it's probably going to get explored in some of the stand alone films?
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yeah!Angua wrote:I liked it. I thought it was pretty well done and had a lot of great moments. I have also been wondering how the First Order managed to spring up so quickly though. Like, did no one see the signs from the first time this happened? It wasn't that long ago.... I guess it's probably going to get explored in some of the stand alone films?Spoiler:
Great moviegoing experience, quite fun. Some weird moments that I did not mind. Some *really* great moments that I'd like to see again. I wish they'd get rid of the weird annoying little stuff, but I guess thats star wars now. Everything else was rather cool and good.
What I like best is it didnt feel cliched, I wasnt bracing myself for horrible trite garbage, which I guess is praising the production value.
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I liked it quite a bit. There were a lot of little things one could nitpick but this is about as good as Star Wars gets. Its been a long time since I've watched the original trilogy so I won't straight up say its the best one but the only one that has a chance to compare is Empire; luckily, unlike Episodes IV and VII, V and VIII are actually quite different so they can't be compared that easily.
Best part was that for the first time after nine movies, they allowed the good guys to have some actual flaws, relatable temptations and real failures instead of relying on blind dumb luck to carry the day.
About the twist at the end (major spoiler)

More seriously this is a strange list of nitpicks. Half of these you could have figured out if you had watched the movie more carefully and the other half are kind of defining characteristics of Star Wars- dislike them if you want but the original trilogy has the exact same problems.
Best part was that for the first time after nine movies, they allowed the good guys to have some actual flaws, relatable temptations and real failures instead of relying on blind dumb luck to carry the day.
About the twist at the end (major spoiler)
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Amazing. Every word that you just said is wrong.Tyndmyr wrote:Problems I had with the film:...

More seriously this is a strange list of nitpicks. Half of these you could have figured out if you had watched the movie more carefully and the other half are kind of defining characteristics of Star Wars- dislike them if you want but the original trilogy has the exact same problems.
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Just saw it. I haven't read through people's comments yet in this thread.
I'd rather re-watch Eps. I, II, and III than VII or VIII. I'll admit it.
What is the deal with fan service? Is there actually a group of people that appreciates it? "Rebel scum", for instance. It was a throwaway line in VI and got picked up by fans and theEU Legends material. When one of the movies uses it... it's winking to the audience, "Hey, we all know this isn't Star Wars, but let's try to pretend for a moment." R1 did a far better job of existing within the universe while defining itself as an installment in its own right.
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I'd rather re-watch Eps. I, II, and III than VII or VIII. I'll admit it.
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SecondTalon wrote:I don't know how much they're using of the books written before the movies started production, but ... it was kinda a Big Huge Thing about how after the Emperor died it didn't actually... y'know.. kill the Empire. How lots of various Moffs grabbed resources and set themselves up was Warlords, some independent, some continuing on as The Empire, some playing the field and seeing how it goes, and so on.
I figure this is a similar thing - just because they killed the boss doesn't mean the entire Empire folded in seconds. Maybe.. what, 1/3 to 2/3 of the Galaxy was in the Republic. Everyone else? Empire with a name change.
Actually unspoiling this, since this is more an episode 7 thing than an episode 8 deal.
Sure, I'm familiar with the Thrawn trilogy and what not, but that's not really the premise of the movies. In film, basically a new republic is set up and lives for like twenty years, and grows complacent, and then, bam, surprise, hidden empire with added space nazi. Basically, they rehashed the entire setup for the original trilogy in the first moments of episode 7.
Kind of a soft reset, rather than a continuation of story, as the EU provided.
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Liri wrote:I'd rather re-watch Eps. I, II, and III than VII or VIII. I'll admit it.
Yeah. I, II and III are like C, C-, B? But VII was automatic F, we have to talk to the dean about what you did. I am not watching VIII but I read the wikipedia. It appears to be as bad as expected.
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Wait, you think II was worse than I? II had some ok clone moments, Chris Lee, and Yoda combat... if a bit poorly done. I only had Darth Maul for like 30 seconds, and everything else was so forgettable that you'd be forgiven for forgetting about BRIAN BLESSED. It's a sign you done goofed when people don't remember BRIAN BLESSED in your movie.
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II had "Not like sand." Unacceptable.
But the bottom line is really just that they are both bad, but better than 7.
But the bottom line is really just that they are both bad, but better than 7.
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doogly wrote:II had "Not like sand." Unacceptable.
Hey at least it was memorable.
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What's with the hate towards 7? It loses *a lot* of points for being very much a remake of IV, but other than that it was pretty great.
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I think it's the hipster bullshit of hating things others like in order to establish an unearned sense of superiority.
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Yeah, I mean, 7 wasn't as good as the Holy Trilogy (that also has it's own problems) or Rogue One, but it sure as fuck isn't worse than the Prequels.
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I can't objectively compare Empire to the new movies. I'm never going to be 12 years old watching a new SW movie. Nostalgia is powerful.
So strictly in terms of how much I like them, not even trying to be objective:
1/ The Empire Strikes Back (awesome)
2 (tied)/ A New Hope, Return Of The Jedi, Rogue One (great)
5 (tied)/ Revenge Of The Sith, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi (good movies, lots of fun, with some things I'd change.)
8/ Attack of the Clones (enjoyable but several problems)
9/ The Phantom Menace (mostly bad)
So strictly in terms of how much I like them, not even trying to be objective:
1/ The Empire Strikes Back (awesome)
2 (tied)/ A New Hope, Return Of The Jedi, Rogue One (great)
5 (tied)/ Revenge Of The Sith, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi (good movies, lots of fun, with some things I'd change.)
8/ Attack of the Clones (enjoyable but several problems)
9/ The Phantom Menace (mostly bad)
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The general consensus is...
Empire
A new hope
Return of Jedi
The force awakens/rogue one/last jedi (still argued)
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Star Wars Christmas Special
Phantom Menace.
Empire
A new hope
Return of Jedi
The force awakens/rogue one/last jedi (still argued)
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Star Wars Christmas Special
Phantom Menace.
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CorruptUser wrote:The general consensus is...
Empire
A new hope
Return of Jedi
The force awakens/rogue one/last jedi (still argued)
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Star Wars Christmas Special
Phantom Menace.
Wait... Star Wars Christmas special is a real thing?
*one google later*
I have decided that it is no. Nothing as horrible as the Star Wars Christmas special ever existed, otherwise the world would explode.
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My bf decided he wanted to watch the star wars christmas special one year as couldn't believe it could be that bad. Thought it would be funny. We gave up after about 10 mins and watched the nostalgia critic review instead.
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I made it through the first 90 minutes. I love bad movies but that broke me. It's possibly the most bafflingly relentlessly unentertaining thing that exists. What the hell were they thinking.
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If you're going to include the Holiday Special, then why not put in Caravan of Courage and The Battle For Endor? The latter has Wilford Brimley and Johnny Weismuller Junior! I appear to have answered my own question.
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Zohar wrote:What's with the hate towards 7? It loses *a lot* of points for being very much a remake of IV, but other than that it was pretty great.
It loses every point. No points awarded.
We will definitely have to talk to the dean.
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7 is less painful than the Prequels only because it's nothing but a reheated hash of bits from the OT strung together with bad fanfic. But it's also more objectionable than the Prequels for exactly that reason; say what you want about them (and Lord knows there's plenty to say,) but I-III were recognizably the work of a distinct, unifying creative voice, not Generic Extruded Corporate Movie Paste shaped into a Star Wars patty. I'd much rather watch the good movies than the Prequels, but I'd go back to even AOTC (the worst of the lot) before I'd waste my time revisiting TFA.
(Plus, TFA has plenty of fundamental issues of its own, like the fact that it's essentially a succession of first acts Human Centipede-d together until the movie suddenly decides it's time for a weak rehash of ROTJ's multi-front final battle that mostly just demonstrates that J.J. Abrams has absolutely no ability to pull off a large-scale fleet battle sequence. ROTJ may have strained a bit against the limits of their FX technology, but you could at least tell more or less where the various participants were in relation to each other and what they were trying to accomplish. TFA's space battle is essentially just a couple hundred X-wings and TIE fighters tossed into a pot all flying at random directions and shooting at whatever they happen to be pointing at until the characters down onEndor the Death Star Starkiller Base turn on the "please shoot me now" light so the movie can be over.)
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(Plus, TFA has plenty of fundamental issues of its own, like the fact that it's essentially a succession of first acts Human Centipede-d together until the movie suddenly decides it's time for a weak rehash of ROTJ's multi-front final battle that mostly just demonstrates that J.J. Abrams has absolutely no ability to pull off a large-scale fleet battle sequence. ROTJ may have strained a bit against the limits of their FX technology, but you could at least tell more or less where the various participants were in relation to each other and what they were trying to accomplish. TFA's space battle is essentially just a couple hundred X-wings and TIE fighters tossed into a pot all flying at random directions and shooting at whatever they happen to be pointing at until the characters down on
doogly wrote:Yeah. I, II and III are like C, C-, B? But VII was automatic F, we have to talk to the dean about what you did. I am not watching VIII but I read the wikipedia. It appears to be as bad as expected.
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Hmm, I wonder if Rogue One is worse than the prequels. I really disliked Rogue One. The characters were all annoying. Every one of them. They had no motivation for acting.
But then the prequels have midichlorians, Jar Jar, and a terrible romantic plot. Oh, and CGI over-use.
I do think 7 and 8 are better than the prequels. 8 had annoying parts
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But then the prequels have midichlorians, Jar Jar, and a terrible romantic plot. Oh, and CGI over-use.
I do think 7 and 8 are better than the prequels. 8 had annoying parts
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Zohar wrote:What's with the hate towards 7? It loses *a lot* of points for being very much a remake of IV, but other than that it was pretty great.
Mostly that. It was a quasi-remake, without really being a remake, which makes for a lot of awkward logic in order to basically set the stage back to ANH within the first few minutes of the movie.
There was also the "everything is bigger and MOAR awwesome" now. Things like Rey being super competent, a more bigger death star, a lightsaber with more blades, etc...all part of this. They basically wanted to do Ep IV again, but with more flash, explosions, and CGI.
It was an enjoyable watch otherwise, but those factors detracted from it.
8 doubles down on that, while also murdering all the mystery boxes from 7 instead of fullfilling any of them.
I'd take Rogue One over the prequels. It may be that the bad bits of them have vanished down the memory hole, but I recently had the dubious fortune of seeing phantom menace again, and it was rough.
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Does ANH lose points for being a partial shot for shot remake of The Dam Busters? Or TPM for that stupid pod racing scene being Ben Hur?
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There's a difference between paying homage to other genres and cribbing off an earlier movie in a series. Episode VII could straight-up have been an Agatha Christie in space and I'd have liked it more.
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CorruptUser wrote:Does ANH lose points for being a partial shot for shot remake of The Dam Busters?
No, because even when it's doing an homage, it still brings something of merit to the table. The importance of The Dam Busters in action filmmaking shouldn't be underrated, but ANH's Death Star attack sequence is superior in every regard (even if you grade on a curve for the limitations of special-effects technology at the time, the direction and editing in Lucas's version are masterful and easily outdo their model.) Plus, you know, that's fifteen minutes out of a two-hour film which has a whole lot of other good stuff in it.
Compare that with TFA's surfeit of recycled bits and callbacks, which not only never improve on their source, but never even equal it.
Or TPM for that stupid pod racing scene being Ben Hur?
Less for that than for stopping the plot dead for a solid half-hour to do it, really.
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