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Greatest Movie Ever?

Postby __Kit » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:57 am UTC

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Which movie do you think to be the Greatest Movie Ever?
My vote is cast towards Kill Bill.
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Postby Zohar » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:57 pm UTC

I adored Baron Munchausen when I was younger and I still think it's good. The best movie I've seen (the one that pops into my mind when you say "best movie") is 3 Iron.

While Kill Bill is lots of fun, that's all it is, to me.
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Postby Rasputin » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:06 pm UTC

My all-time favorite: Ocean's 11 (2001 ver.)
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Postby mister k » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:29 pm UTC

I'm a big fan of Raging Bull. I sort of can't really decide one one, because depending on my mood I love different films more- I might go Full Metal Jacket, or Airplane, or even the Princess Bride....

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Postby Handsome » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:25 pm UTC

Casablanca, The Godfather, and Citizen Kane. But not in that order.
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Postby MEGAMERICAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:49 pm UTC

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Postby Narsil » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:17 pm UTC

This is impossible to pick.
But I'd have to go with 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Either that or Fight Club.

A while ago I might have said "The Matrix", but not anymore. Hey, it seemed deep when I was 14. Almost.
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Postby TigerX » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:43 am UTC

In American Cinema, I'd go with The Godfather I and II collectively as the best film ever.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:44 am UTC

Dr Strangelove

or

Fight Club

.... damn decisions!

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Postby TigerX » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:46 am UTC

Now, are we going with favourite film or greatest film?

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Postby Narsil » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:47 am UTC

Either way, Fight Club.
It's the most culturally relevant and deepest film I've seen while still managing to be entertaining and not requiring a college-level Psychology course.
Edit: and it's not pretentious and "Hey! Look at me! I'm important, god dammit!".
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Postby semicolon » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:59 am UTC

Handsome wrote:Casablanca, The Godfather, and Citizen Kane. But not in that order.

+ 2001: A Space Odyssey sounds like an excellent list to me.

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Postby Castaway » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:37 am UTC

Narsil wrote:Edit: and it's not pretentious and "Hey! Look at me! I'm important, god dammit!".

I too vote Fight Club, but it is getting that way.
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Postby Gwydion » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:57 am UTC

Fight Club is NOT the greatest movie ever. It was good, but it didn't do a great job of bringing the book to the screen. It didn't make great use of the source material, and the overall effect was decent but far from great.

Personally, I'd nominate Forrest Gump. Instant classic if I ever saw one.


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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:01 am UTC

Gwydion wrote:Fight Club is NOT the greatest movie ever. It was good, but it didn't do a great job of bringing the book to the screen. It didn't make great use of the source material, and the overall effect was decent but far from great.

Soooooo because it wasn't a perfect book-to-movie adaptation somehow robs the movie of it's power.... how?

I mean, let's look at the changes made between Forrest Gump the book, and Forrst Gump the movie:
    * It is revealed near the beginning of the book that his father (a longshoreman) was killed by a falling crate of bananas (Forrest's father apparently left Forrest's mother in the movie but it is never explained).
    * The leg braces were not in the book; nor did Forrest's mother have sex with the school principal to get Forrest in the regular school. In the book, Forrest did not do well in the regular school and was put in a special school for mentally challenged children, which he refers to as the 'nut school'.
    * Forrest failed college and hence did not graduate.
    * Forrest's mother does not die in the book but does in the movie. Forrest's mother does die in the book's sequel Gump & Co.
    * The novel's Forrest is described as an idiot savant, with an extraordinary talent in numerical calculation. One memorable example of this is in college, when Forrest receives an A in his physics course (Intermediate Light) and an F in physical education.
    * In the book Forrest is studied at Harvard College
    * In the book Forrest is a wrestler, appearing under the name "The Dunce"
    * Gump does not marry Jenny in the book; she instead marries another man, though she joins a band called "The Cracked Eggs" with him at one point. Jenny does not die in the original novel. She does die from unstated causes in the sequel—the book simply states that she and her husband got sick and both ended up dying—with the novel recounting Forrest's subsequent adventures with little Forrest when the boy is sent to live with him.
    * In the book, Forrest meets Raquel Welch and appears in a Hollywood movie
    * Gump and little Forrest do not have the loving relationship that the end of the movie seems to imply. In fact, Little Forrest (who was a teenager at this point in the second book) was mad at his father for not being in his life, and during a pivotal scene in the book calls out Gump for pretending to be his father. Forrest's response is to spank his son, changing their relationship.
    * Gump does not meet Lt. Dan until he is in the hospital in Vietnam. In the novel, Lt. Dan is not a professional soldier but a drafted teacher. He has no wish to die in combat and is more of a philosopher. Bubba is white and was previously on the football team with Forrest.
    * Forrest does not actively catch shrimp with a shrimping boat and sell them; rather, he has a small shrimp hatchery and builds success upon that. He learns how to farm shrimp from a friendly Vietnamese; back in Bayou La Batre (Bubba's hometown), Bubba's father helps him get started.
    * Forrest also has many other adventures in the book that are not mentioned in the movie. During his trip to China, he rescues Chairman Mao from drowning in the Yangtze River (parodying Mao's actual much-publicized swim).
    * Forrest's run across America never happens in the book.
    * The movie shows Forrest as a sober-minded man and cuts back scene from scene of Jenny doing a number of drugs. In the book Forrest is a smoker of cannabis and towards the end of the novel smokes tobacco more and thinks about his past and all that he's done in life. At the end, he leaves his crew (which includes many people he has met over the years) to run the business, and goes to live with Lt. Dan and Sue as street musicians.
    * The book features rather explicit sex scenes between Forrest and Jenny which do not appear in the movie.
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Postby Castaway » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:38 am UTC

I hated Forrest Gump, but probably because I hate Tom Hanks.
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Postby Malice » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:17 am UTC

Forrest Gump is a very boring, repetitive movie. I enjoy Tom Hanks very much, and I suppose his performance was good, but the movie is just shitty. How could it have won the Oscar when facing The Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction? Sheesh.

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Postby ChooChoo » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:28 am UTC

I'm surprised nobody's voted for Donnie Darko yet.

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Postby __Kit » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:06 am UTC

No, no, no! Forrest Gump is cool! Please, please, no!
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Postby Narsil » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:33 pm UTC

Gwydion wrote:Fight Club is NOT the greatest movie ever. It was good, but it didn't do a great job of bringing the book to the screen. It didn't make great use of the source material, and the overall effect was decent but far from great.

Personally, I'd nominate Forrest Gump. Instant classic if I ever saw one.
Well, seeing as how Jalapeno left your ass in ruins with his post, I'm just going to throw out there that even though the Fight Club book and movies were different, that doesn't make the movie bad. It just makes it different. And the changes they made made the movie make a lot more sense overall, and improved the ending drastically.
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Postby Gwydion » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:16 pm UTC

Improved the ending? Why, because a building fell down? The ending of the book was spectacular, especially the final chapter (epilogue? I can't remember) with the hospital/heaven parallels. What about the book didn't make sense? I thought if anything, the book explained more of the story, since it actually went into the main character's life and thoughts and how Tyler was born out of them.

And I didn't mean to imply that a movie can't be good if it doesn't follow the book. You can skip all sorts of plot and character development if it leaves the story and meaning intact, which I thought Forrest Gump did. It used the source material well, bringing a generation-spanning story to life. Fight Club took the general idea of guys in a basement beating each other up and joining an anarchy cult of sorts, then ran far far away with it.

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Postby MEGAMERICAN » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:04 pm UTC

Castaway wrote:I hated Forrest Gump, but probably because I hate Tom Hanks.


I'm sure you loved the movie named after you that starred Tom Hanks. :lol:

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Re: Greatest Movie Ever?

Postby fjafjan » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:42 pm UTC

__Kit wrote:Inspired by "Greatest Song Ever"
Which movie do you think to be the Greatest Movie Ever?
My vote is cast towards Kill Bill.

are you KIDDING?
I don't think it's TERRIBLE but kill bill is an okey movie. Characters are not very well developed, the action is not amazing, the plot is pretty predictable (one twist which frankly isn't very innovative) and generally the feel is some kind of semi jokish over the top I don't know what.

I really enjoyed Spotless mind (yeah you all know the full title :P) but I also recognize that franlky i've not seen half the movies I want to and not a tenth of what I should have in order to make a fair judgement.

I also liked 2001 and grave of the fireflies, but 2001 left me mostly confused, grave of fireflies staunch in my anti war stance while spotless mind was more profound overall.
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Postby OmenPigeon » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:26 pm UTC

Harold and Maude.

It isn't perfect by any means, and it isn't some sort of deep introspection that reveals essential truths about the human condition, but it is beautiful. I've watched that movie six or seven times (which is a lot, for me) and I never get tired of it.
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Postby TigerX » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:40 am UTC

Narsil wrote:
Gwydion wrote:Fight Club is NOT the greatest movie ever. It was good, but it didn't do a great job of bringing the book to the screen. It didn't make great use of the source material, and the overall effect was decent but far from great.

Personally, I'd nominate Forrest Gump. Instant classic if I ever saw one.
Well, seeing as how Jalapeno left your ass in ruins with his post, I'm just going to throw out there that even though the Fight Club book and movies were different, that doesn't make the movie bad. It just makes it different. And the changes they made made the movie make a lot more sense overall, and improved the ending drastically.


Just for the hell of it, I will say that Fight Club is not a great film. I personally enjoyed it a lot, but I think that it lacks of certain amount of refinement (not in subject matter) necessary for greatness.

As a "proof", I offer the 2002 Sight and Sound poll. The British Film Institute gathers a group of directors and film critics to rate films and releases its Top Ten Poll.

Here is a list of every film voted for (that is, the film appeared on at least ONE top ten list):
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/top ... list=films

You will note the absence of Fight Club. It wasn't voted for a single time.

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Postby ChooChoo » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:17 am UTC

fjafjan wrote:I don't think it's TERRIBLE but kill bill is an okey movie. Characters are not very well developed, the action is not amazing, the plot is pretty predictable (one twist which frankly isn't very innovative) and generally the feel is some kind of semi jokish over the top I don't know what.


It was supposed to mimic old kung-fu movies.

And it was an awesome movie.

Great soundtrack, too.

Do you think Quentin was serious when he had a guy's head cut off and his blood spray from his neck like a sprinkler? Of course not, it was just awesome.
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Postby Cai » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:03 am UTC

Superbad. Was super good.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:06 am UTC

TigerX wrote:Here is a list of every film voted for (that is, the film appeared on at least ONE top ten list):
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/top ... list=films

You will note the absence of Fight Club. It wasn't voted for a single time.

You will note the absence of American Beauty.
You will note the absence of Shawshank Redemption.
You will note the absence of Serenity.
You will note the absence of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
You will note the absence of Gangs of New York.
You will note the absence of A Life Less Ordinary.

You will note the absence of every single movie in history, except for the ones on that list.

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Postby bbctol » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:11 am UTC

I'm going to nominate Chinatown (has it been mentioned?). Just all-around an excellent film.

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Postby TigerX » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:23 am UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:You will note the absence of American Beauty.
You will note the absence of Shawshank Redemption.
You will note the absence of Serenity.
You will note the absence of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
You will note the absence of Gangs of New York.
You will note the absence of A Life Less Ordinary.

You will note the absence of every single movie in history, except for the ones on that list.


Other than Shawshank, what's your problem exactly? It's an example of people who do film for a living and what they consider great. I don't think that Fight Club added much to the business of film making.

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Postby Traisenau » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:23 am UTC

John Carpenter's: The Thing. Very good movie, Amazing ending.
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Postby Malice » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:45 am UTC

TigerX wrote:Other than Shawshank, what's your problem exactly? It's an example of people who do film for a living and what they consider great. I don't think that Fight Club added much to the business of film making.


A: Argue about how a good a movie is based on the movie, please, not on critical or popular success. Plenty of good movies haven't been seen by most people, plenty of critics are stodgy old bastards, plenty of shitty movies are beloved by many. Let's try to be at least a little objective, kay?

B: A film doesn't have to add to the business of film making to be great; it can be great by taking what is already there to a peak level. There's little, for example, which is innovative about On the Waterfront (well, besides Brando), but it is still a great movie because it takes every element of filmmaking to the level of perfection.

C: In the same way, Fight Club is a great movie. And a great adaptation; it managed to bring the book to life in a way which did not do it disrespect, and in some ways even enriched it. (There are, in fact, a number of connections in the film which Chuck Palahniuk never realized in his book.) Fight Club adapts the novel about as well as it ever could be adapted; the only major choice the film makes is to focus a bit more on the romance than the message (at the end, I mean) than the book did. Either way, Fight Club is a great movie, because it excels in every element of filmmaking and in tying them together into a coherent, powerful whole.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:59 pm UTC

I lurve you (although your agreeing with me is more based on the movie than.... you agreeing with me). Even so!

Also, to add to the list:

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

Perhaps the pinnacle of the crime caper.

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Postby peter » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:14 pm UTC

- The Shawshank Redemption

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Postby Mittins » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:21 pm UTC

I thought that Fight Club was decidedly "meh". It felt very unbelievable to me, and contrary to what Narsil thought, I felt that it was very pretentious. Plus people had told me that it had an absolutely stellar surprise ending, and though the ending was a good one, it wasn't stellar. Maybe that's why I feel the way I do - people building it up too much.

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Postby dumbclown » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:28 pm UTC

Tough one. I can't decide between Bad Santa, A fistful of dollars, A few dollars more or Rules of Attraction.

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Postby mosc » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:18 pm UTC

gunna have to say princess bride
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