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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby EdgarJPublius » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:06 pm UTC

I have much love and respect for Joss Whedon as a creator and writer, and on the strength of his involvement I'm going to give this show a chance.

But so far, I am not impressed.

In particular, the show seems to want to tell us a lot about the characters and their motivations, without actually showing us any of that, and in many cases, what we are shown directly contradicts what we're told about the characters for no reason.

Also, 'The superweapon/advanced technology must be destroyed/locked away because people aren't ready/to keep it out of the wrong hands' Is amongst my least favorite tropes in any kind of fiction.

In the movies, SHIELD is actively pursuing research and development into exotic, advanced and alien technologies to defend Earth from Clarke-ian aliens and such. But in the show, standard procedure seems to be launch anything too advanced into the sun, or lock it away in a secret underground vault.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:07 pm UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:In the movies, SHIELD is actively pursuing research and development into exotic, advanced and alien technologies to defend Earth from Clarke-ian aliens and such. But in the show, standard procedure seems to be launch anything too advanced into the sun, or lock it away in a secret underground vault.
Whenever I see stuff like that, it makes me sad that Eureka isn't around anymore.


In the Avengers movie, SHIELD got told off by Thor for playing with sufficiently indistinguishable toys and inviting Loki to drop by for an attempted genocide...

And it's been established that:

a) Tesseract energy is too dangerous to use safely - more useful gadgets may well get sequestered somewhere.
b) SHIELD routinely lies, so all we really know is that they want everyone who was chasing after the doomsday weapon to think it'd been safely disposed of in the Sun, and totally not stashed away in a secret stockpile orbiting Venus or anything like that.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:22 pm UTC

SHIELD also comes clean about its mistakes. There was some line I remember Fury spouting about how the most fundamental difference between SHIELD and any other clandestine organization is that SHIELD will admit it's faults and seek to rectify them.

Most recent episode was a disappointment. These are supposed to be highly qualified individuals, and the show simply isn't playing to their strengths in a really convincing manner. Whatshisname speaks a bunch of languages and should be able to clever his way into and out of anything, but instead we just see him punching people. Skye is by all accounts the worlds most accomplished computer scientist/hacker, but she's done little more than look killer in a red dress and whine about how smart everyone else is. The two super scientists have a repertoire of gizmos they've busted out and used, but those gizmos are barely better than gimmicky stand ins for anything suggesting 'genius'.

The only thing that's really struck me as clever so far is the truth serum gag.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:31 pm UTC

Pretty good episode.

I may have been biased by the smorgasboard of Swedishness.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:55 pm UTC

This was easily the best episode so far. Also the only one so far I would consider actually 'good'. Makes me hope my faith in Joss Whedon was not in vain, and maybe that the 'extended pilot' period is ending/over.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:08 am UTC

I hope that the glasses don't disappear as a one-time gimmick that will never be seen again.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Diadem » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:24 am UTC

I liked the episode. It was very good, and definitely shows promise. I agree with Laserguy though, I do hope this is not going to be one of those shows where everything that happens if forgotten the next episode. The glasses should be used more often. And it would be interesting to see the Shield trial against whatsherameagain, both because it would allow us to learn more about Shield and because it's an interesting story arch.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Zohar » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:39 pm UTC

I doubt we'll hear from her again. I agree it was much better than previous episodes. I do wish we'd see some more emotion from Ming-Na Wen (forgot her character's name) other than "I'm badass".
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:48 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I doubt we'll hear from her again. I agree it was much better than previous episodes. I do wish we'd see some more emotion from Ming-Na Wen (forgot her character's name) other than "I'm badass".


I think she just needs some exposition to give her depth. The stone cold badass-character can totally work (c.f. John Reese in Person of Interest, who basically Batman in a suit).
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:08 pm UTC

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Zohar wrote:I doubt we'll hear from her again. I agree it was much better than previous episodes. I do wish we'd see some more emotion from Ming-Na Wen (forgot her character's name) other than "I'm badass".


I think she just needs some exposition to give her depth. The stone cold badass-character can totally work (c.f. John Reese in Person of Interest, who basically Batman in a suit).


He isn't thát stone cold. He regularly makes jokes or shows emotion. That's something I'm missing from May as of yet

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Zohar » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:13 pm UTC

Oh I'm not saying she can't be a great character, just saying that so far, the only emotion she's exhibited has been "unhappiness", whether she's unhappy because she's back on the field, or unhappy that she's not going out on the field, or that she disagrees with Coulson.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:37 am UTC

Yeah, as part of my group's drinking game for the show, you've got to take a drink whenever she glowers instead of using words. My poor, poor liver...

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:18 pm UTC

So the fifth episode is probably the second best one so far (after the pilot). That's not saying too much though because it pretty much just rehashes the plot of the first episode. I guess the big draw was supposed to be Skye's storyline but...
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Honestly, I wasn't at all excited about her big dark secret OR her past. Nothing in the show so far made either of those topics seem interesting or all that important. I was still surprised at how boring the answers turned out to be.

Her mysterious Rising Tide past was just having a hacktivist boyfriend and all the sinister moments about her infiltrating SHIELD amounted to wanting to find out what happened to her parents? Why not just ask Coulson? He must have done a thorough background check on her before hiring her* and he hasn't been at all reticent about sharing classified information in the past.

I also wasn't sure why the whole team acted so hurt about her "betraying" them. They all stared at her as soon as the topic came up. Okay, it was supposed to be a (very unfunny) joke but it still showed they don't really trust her. Then they act all betrayed even though she didn't endanger anyone and didn't share any sensitive information. She actually did her job (find the hacker) then tried to find out what he knew. Why would you spend four episodes building up this whole clash of interest and then turn it into such a non-issue? It's basically been forgiven and put in the past before the end of the episode and it didn't even happen until 15 minutes into it.

I am starting to wonder why Extremis is so much weaker in the show. Iron Man III (which is supposed to have already happened?) made it out to be this super powerful weapon but now Extremis subjects get taken down with a single shot.

* Of course, Coulson is totally incompetent so he might have just hired her on a whim. I am still assuming he didn't or, at least, she doesn't believe so.


Five episodes in and I still don't really like or care about any of the characters. I am actually starting to actively dislike a few- Coulson and Skye in particular- but I don't think I am supposed to. The writers just don't seem to be doing a very good job at creating engaging characters OR memorable stories.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

I sat through all of Mutant X.

SHIELD is quality entertainment as far as I'm concerned.
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Postby Angua » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:40 am UTC

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I'm really hoping that it was more than just her parents - it really seems like she should have trusted Coulson if that was all she was after.

Also, we now have a clairvoyant, when wasn't that expressly said as impossible in the last episode? So this is hopefully going to be someone that SHIELD knows nothing about.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:24 pm UTC

Angua wrote:
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I'm really hoping that it was more than just her parents - it really seems like she should have trusted Coulson if that was all she was after.

Also, we now have a clairvoyant, when wasn't that expressly said as impossible in the last episode? So this is hopefully going to be someone that SHIELD knows nothing about.

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Or maybe it's just a nickname for someone?

Yeah, I'm guessing the part about her parents is true, but there is more to her

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Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:31 pm UTC

A wild character exposition appears!
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:56 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Did May die/have a near death experience as well?
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Well, she was a mercenary type, no? (I forgot her nickname.) And she requested desk duty. Reading between the lines says something traumetized her.
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Postby Angua » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:33 am UTC

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We always knew something traumatised her, but we haven't known what it was. A near death experience is a lot different to losing the people you were in command of, for example.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby OP Tipping » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:21 am UTC

I have only seen the first episode (the series just started where I am).

Had some moments, not great. I am sticking with it to find out the real deal with Coulson, whom I assume is in fact dead.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Yubtzock » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:16 pm UTC

The Night-Night is...
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...a Chekhov's gun now, huh?


The post-story mini-cliffhangers are here to stay with the series, same way they do for the Marvel movies now, I guess. I do like most of them, but I wonder how long before it gets old.

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Postby Angua » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

I really loved it when
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Coulson realised that he was automatically saying 'it's a magical place' whenever anyone mentioned Tahiti. It was like he was suddenly listening to the words that were coming out of his mouth, and realising that there was something very off about them.

Also, loved Fitz being the hero. His plan with the 'Russian mobsters' was hilarious.
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Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:22 pm UTC

The show is definitely getting better.
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Postby Ryom » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:30 am UTC

That's good to hear, I've been taking a break from it (since the third episode or so) as it wasn't catching my interest. I'll let the season record and then watch it all in one go to decide if I'm going to bother with season 2 or not. If there is a season 2.

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:05 pm UTC

I think this is definitely picking up now.

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I hope we find out more about May soon, and also, hoping they don't keep us waiting for too long with Coulson (though I'm enjoying guessing).
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Postby Alder » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:16 pm UTC

Angua wrote:I think this is definitely picking up now.

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I hope we find out more about May soon, and also, hoping they don't keep us waiting for too long with Coulson (though I'm enjoying guessing).

I agree, I've enjoyed the last, I think, three episodes much more - the characters are settling in a bit, and getting different ones to interact has helped - Ward was pretty nothingy for a while there, but there were some bits in the latest episode
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when he was helping Simmons with her fear of heights, and later when he got angry and mean
that made him a tad more interesting.

As to Coulson...

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I do hope they don't spin it out *too* long, but I've been surprised how many folk online have been all "we should know by now", even from a couple of weeks ago. I recently caught up on The Mentalist because next week's episode has the conclusion of an arc that began in the first episode. It's on season six, for crying out loud!! Now, *those* viewers have a right to complain...!
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Postby ArgonV » Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:14 pm UTC

Aglets! What coincidence!

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Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:50 pm UTC

Yes... coincidence.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:03 pm UTC

Am amused by the product placement in episode 8. I've got a Cube, so I probably pay more attention than most, but the 3d scanner used is actually a real 3d scanner, intended to be used with a printer. One of the better science-gadgets they've used so far.

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Postby SwiftSilent » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:06 pm UTC

I've just seen the latest episode where Mike is recruited for the team. But at the end, I was a bit curious of what was going on.

What is the big deal behind Coulson's death. I've seen the Avengers and I saw how he died. But what is exactly the importance of his death?


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Carlington » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:13 pm UTC

We know he died, and we know he's not dead now, but we don't know what happened in between, or even how long he was dead for. Neither does Phil, apparently. Obviously there will be a lot of people interested to know exactly how you bring somebody back from the dead.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:17 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:We know he died, and we know he's not dead now, but we don't know what happened in between, or even how long he was dead for. Neither does Phil, apparently. Obviously there will be a lot of people interested to know exactly how you bring somebody back from the dead.

True. But I'm starting to wonder if SHIELD even knows about how he died. I'm starting to feel like SHIELD doesn't really know how Coulson died themselves.

My random guess here. Not all proven. Maybe Coulson was taken as an experiment by a third-party. That third-party somehow woke him up. Erased his memory. Then Coulson either escaped or SHIELD got him back.


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby pseudoidiot » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:30 pm UTC

Well, considering the end of that one episode where Coulson was asking someone in records about what happened to him

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And there was something about Director Fury locking the files or whatever

I'm pretty sure there's at least one person in SHIELD that knows.
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:36 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:Well, considering the end of that one episode where Coulson was asking someone in records about what happened to him

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And there was something about Director Fury locking the files or whatever

I'm pretty sure there's at least one person in SHIELD that knows.

Sure there's at least one person who knows. But, like everyone else, I'm really curious to see what's in those locked files.

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Also, I'm kind of curious why Agent May and Coulson are hiding the true identity of Skye's parents. What can be the big issue about that?


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:51 pm UTC

Spoiler:
May seems to know more about Coulson than she lets on as well. Wasn't she the one in the first episode who said that Coulson could never know the truth?
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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby rmsgrey » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:02 pm UTC

We do know that Tahiti is a magical place...

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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby SwiftSilent » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:39 am UTC

Angua wrote:
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May seems to know more about Coulson than she lets on as well. Wasn't she the one in the first episode who said that Coulson could never know the truth?

I don't remember that.

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But if May was indeed the one who said it, it'd be really interesting to see how May develops herself throughout the show as she is the center of all the secrets. Such as Skye's parents and Coulson's death.

But seriously, what's so bad about all these to secrets that they must be hidden?


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Re: Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Sytri » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:06 pm UTC

SwiftSilent wrote:
Angua wrote:
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May seems to know more about Coulson than she lets on as well. Wasn't she the one in the first episode who said that Coulson could never know the truth?

I don't remember that.

Spoiler:
But if May was indeed the one who said it, it'd be really interesting to see how May develops herself throughout the show as she is the center of all the secrets. Such as Skye's parents and Coulson's death.

But seriously, what's so bad about all these to secrets that they must be hidden?


Spoilered for the spoiler just incase.
Spoiler:
Maybe it has to stay a secret for the same reson that Wile E Coytote never falls down over a cliff until he looks down. Or maybe it's a Joss Whedon thing where if a character finds out that they were brought back from the dead they go a bit weird(er).
Apathy will kill us all. Or not. Whatever.


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