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Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:48 pm UTC
by Zohar
Made of Honor
Spoiler:
Yeah I'm really glad about that. The way her arc ended was not great, and I think this does a lot to redeem her. I hope they don't get rid of her at the end of tonight's special... Also I expected "Made of Honor" to be related to "Made of Love" from Stronger Than You. Guess I was wrong.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:22 am UTC
by Sprocket
cephalopod9 wrote:
Sprocket wrote:I'm catching up, I am watching Novembers bomb now.
How far apart are you watching episodes? I'm curious how the pacing works without Cartoon Network doing whatever it does with the scheduling. The gap between Lars' Head and Dewey Wins was especially bad. May to November, holy cow.

The week's bomb is
Spoiler:
moving through things pretty quickly. Kinda anti-climactic, but I like it.
People talking about their feelings, no need to draw out conflict just to have it

I watched to a single pale rose.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:43 pm UTC
by somitomi
Zohar wrote:Made of Honor
Spoiler:
Yeah I'm really glad about that. The way her arc ended was not great, and I think this does a lot to redeem her. I hope they don't get rid of her at the end of tonight's special... Also I expected "Made of Honor" to be related to "Made of Love" from Stronger Than You. Guess I was wrong.

Spoiler:
Me too, her arc just felt incomplete before that. It just struck me as odd that the Crystal Gems decided to keep her bubbled, Made of Honor both explained and resolved that rather nicely.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:54 pm UTC
by Zohar
Spoilers about the entire arc (up to and including "Reunited"):

Spoiler:
I liked this a lot! I liked we got a chance to have a bit slower pacing compared to a lot of action-packed episodes in the past. I'm very curious about where they take things from here. I wonder if the diamonds will try to revive Pink Diamond and destroy Steven. I guess his dream world was whatever his poofing is supposed to be like? We've never seen poofing from a gem's point of view.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:41 pm UTC
by Angua
Zohar wrote:Spoilers about the entire arc (up to and including "Reunited"):

Spoiler:
I liked this a lot! I liked we got a chance to have a bit slower pacing compared to a lot of action-packed episodes in the past. I'm very curious about where they take things from here. I wonder if the diamonds will try to revive Pink Diamond and destroy Steven. I guess his dream world was whatever his poofing is supposed to be like? We've never seen poofing from a gem's point of view.

Spoilers for previous of next episode and speculation about end of show:
Spoiler:
Looks like they show the diamonds the centipeedle, so I'm getting that they are going to try and wrap up the series with the diamonds managing to heal the corrupted gems. Though we've still got Lars in space to contend with and the whole society of homeworld in general


Speculation on the god-like nature of the diamonds:
Spoiler:
Yellow and Blue both seemed to be more aware of the dreamworld than the others (which also fits with Steven being able to go into people's dreams), though Garnet also kind of knew what was going on. Pink saw herself as bringing the gift of life out of nothing, and she also has the powers to heal gems/humans, bring organic matter back to life, and bend [organic] plants to her will. I'm beginning to wonder whether we will ever find out more about what exactly the diamonds are and where they come from because they have a lot of powers over organic matter as well as gens.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:11 pm UTC
by Zohar
Angua wrote:Spoilers for previous of next episode and speculation about end of show:
Spoiler:
Looks like they show the diamonds the centipeedle, so I'm getting that they are going to try and wrap up the series with the diamonds managing to heal the corrupted gems. Though we've still got Lars in space to contend with and the whole society of homeworld in general

Spoiler:
We don't know how many sentient cultures the diamonds worked on destroying in their various conquests - doesn't each diamond have around a dozen or so planets as seen in the moon base murals? It would be hard to redeem the diamonds and homeworld's war culture. I do expect the corrupted gems to be restored though.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:25 pm UTC
by Sizik
Angua wrote:Speculation on the god-like nature of the diamonds:
Spoiler:
Yellow and Blue both seemed to be more aware of the dreamworld than the others (which also fits with Steven being able to go into people's dreams), though Garnet also kind of knew what was going on. Pink saw herself as bringing the gift of life out of nothing, and she also has the powers to heal gems/humans, bring organic matter back to life, and bend [organic] plants to her will. I'm beginning to wonder whether we will ever find out more about what exactly the diamonds are and where they come from because they have a lot of powers over organic matter as well as gens.


My theory on gem "biology":
Spoiler:
Gems are sentient crystalline computers that manifest their bodies using (sufficiently advanced) nanomachines. Pink's healing powers are just her nanites repairing the subject's living tissue. In the case of Lars (and presumably Lion), since he was deceased instead of injured, the nanites instead replace all of the subject's living tissue, which results in him being essentially an immortal pink clone of the original. In the case of the corrupted gems, they are broken at the software level, which is why Pink's healing powers aren't effective at curing them. The abilities that gems have are largely determined when they're created; the diamonds just have more abilities built-in, since they're meant to be the rulers of their society.


Zohar wrote:
Angua wrote:Spoilers for previous of next episode and speculation about end of show:
Spoiler:
Looks like they show the diamonds the centipeedle, so I'm getting that they are going to try and wrap up the series with the diamonds managing to heal the corrupted gems. Though we've still got Lars in space to contend with and the whole society of homeworld in general

Spoiler:
We don't know how many sentient cultures the diamonds worked on destroying in their various conquests - doesn't each diamond have around a dozen or so planets as seen in the moon base murals? It would be hard to redeem the diamonds and homeworld's war culture. I do expect the corrupted gems to be restored though.


Regarding how the series might end:
Spoiler:
So it seems that White Diamond is the leader of gem society, and given that we have very little concrete info about her, it's hard to predict what her personality and motives are. My thought is that while Blue and Yellow might be amenable to regarding organic life & gem individuality as things worth protecting, White won't be, and thus is the final villain to be overcome. I wouldn't necessarily describe Homeworld as a "war culture", more like a "grey goo" scenario where the sole motivation for the gem leadership is to produce more gems.

It's unlikely, but it would be an interesting reveal that White Diamond was created by an ancient alien race that was then wiped out by the gems' relentless galactic expansion.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:26 pm UTC
by cephalopod9
Sprocket wrote:
cephalopod9 wrote:
Sprocket wrote:I'm catching up, I am watching Novembers bomb now.
How far apart are you watching episodes? I'm curious how the pacing works without Cartoon Network doing whatever it does with the scheduling. The gap between Lars' Head and Dewey Wins was especially bad. May to November, holy cow.

The week's bomb is
Spoiler:
moving through things pretty quickly. Kinda anti-climactic, but I like it.
People talking about their feelings, no need to draw out conflict just to have it

I watched to a single pale rose.

that's about nine episodes in three days, or 3 episodes a day.
As an 11 minute cartoon show, it's kind of amazing how fast they move through stuff sometimes, but there's also episodes that feel transitional and kind of empty without the surrounding episodes, like Adventures in Light Distortion, and What's Your Problem.

gosh, I really like hearing Sugar talk about why she's making the show. Podcast that made me cryQUEERY with Cameron Esposito
1A

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:57 pm UTC
by Sizik
So hey, a new episode happened two days ago.

Spoiler:
There's definitely something not quite right with White Diamond and her Pearl.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:42 pm UTC
by Angua
Legs from here to homework
Spoiler:
did anyone else think home world had been destroyed when we see it first? It looks broken in two.

Looks like White is going to be the mother. I'm worried she's going to bubble Steven which might not end well for him, but I think that would be a bit dark for this show.

Agreed White's pearl is bizarre, but our Pearl has pretty robotic features with the holograms and storage so might just be a pearl thing? Also our Pearl seemed literally incapable of disobeying Pink's orders which is a pretty robotic thing.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:28 am UTC
by Isaac Hill
Legs...
Spoiler:
Angua wrote:did anyone else think home world had been destroyed when we see it first? It looks broken in two.

Looks like White is going to be the mother. I'm worried she's going to bubble Steven which might not end well for him, but I think that would be a bit dark for this show.

Agreed White's pearl is bizarre, but our Pearl has pretty robotic features with the holograms and storage so might just be a pearl thing? Also our Pearl seemed literally incapable of disobeying Pink's orders which is a pretty robotic thing.
I think Homeworld's just been sucked dry, like the plan for Earth that Peridot got all excited about on the moon base. Peri did mention that, as an Era-2 Peridot, Homeworld had to skimp on resources to make her.

Up till now, only the Diamonds have had unique VAs. All the Rubies are voiced by Charlene Yi. Amethysts are voiced by Michaela Deetz. Pink, Yellow, and Blue's Pearls are all voiced by Deedee Magno Hall. White's Pearl is voiced by White Diamond's voice actress, so there's something going on there besides Pearl weirdness.

I fully expect to hear nothing from this show for 5 months, then get a Stevenbomb of episodes dealing with Lars and the Off Colors arriving in Beach City.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:31 pm UTC
by somitomi
Legs From Here to Homeworld
Spoiler:
Until now I was wondering why noone had even mentioned White Diamond, so this is one of those "finally" moments for me. I honestly didn't expect her to appear all of a sudden though. Her Pearl's utilitarian attitude ("only Pink diamond's presence is necessary") is unsettling, partly because Pearls seem to echo the demeanor of their...uh... masters I guess?
Isaac Hill wrote:I fully expect to hear nothing from this show for 5 months, then get a Stevenbomb of episodes dealing with Lars and the Off Colors arriving in Beach City.
Well, the wait resumes

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:35 pm UTC
by Sizik
A theory I seen kicking around reddit:
Spoiler:
White's Pearl's gem is on her stomach, our Pearl's gem is on her forehead, Pink's gem is on her stomach, and White's gem is on her forehead. This suggests that White's Pearl used to be Pink's pearl, and vice versa. This ends up being revealed when Steven purposefully or accidentally uses his healing powers on White's Pearl, restoring her to full color.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:15 pm UTC
by Zohar
Legs spoilers
Spoiler:
White Diamond sounds a lot like an abusive manipulative parent - treating Pink like a small child, preparing to dismiss anything Steven says,
being overly cheery...

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:27 pm UTC
by Angua
Spoiler:
yeah especially as yellow and blue are worried about being bubbled for a million years.

Re: Steven Universe

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:58 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
I found Peridot!

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