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Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby charliepanayi » Thu May 14, 2015 6:57 pm UTC

A few days ago I didn't have any major interest in seeing this film - but now the reviews have been pouring in and almost every one is a rave, so I'm intrigued and will probably give it a go. Plus as a bonus it's already wound up loads of misogynists. Anyone else planning to see it?
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu May 14, 2015 6:59 pm UTC

Yeah, what's up with all the hatred? I haven't seen it, but....it seems...kind of crazy. I just don't get it.

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PolakoVoador » Fri May 15, 2015 5:46 pm UTC

Does this guy realise that he is giving the movie free promotion? The best thing a movie (or book or whatever) can have to boost up ticket sales is a good ol' controversy.

Besides, now I really want to watch it.

EDIT: actually read the article now, not only the title, and holy crap. That guy is a bigger dipshit than I thought
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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri May 15, 2015 7:36 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:EDIT: actually read the article now, not only the title, and holy crap. That guy is a bigger dipshit than I thought
Clarey wrote:Fury Road' is 'the Trojan horse feminists and Hollywood leftists will use to (vainly) insist on the trope women are equal to men in all things, including physique, strength, and logic.


Well, he's working hard to dispell the myth of equality in logic, at least. :roll:

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri May 15, 2015 7:42 pm UTC

I read some of those pro-mens rights reviews and couldn't help but laugh. They're making the film sound even more awesome by painting Charlize Therons character as an ever more impressive bad ass.

How dare those femnazi's make a movie about a woman being awesome.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri May 15, 2015 7:45 pm UTC

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PolakoVoador » Sun May 17, 2015 3:30 am UTC

Just watched it. Furiosa (Charlize Teron) is awesome, and in practice the main character of the movie. I loved the concepts of almost everything, from the vehicles to the characters. Highly recommend it.

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon May 18, 2015 3:04 am UTC

One of the most fun action flicks I've seen in age. All the world building backdrops from the warring clans to the chromed blessing of Valhalla made me want to learn more about this crazy part of the world.

I was vaguely worried the film was going to turn into the lone man warrior saving the poor desperate ladies, but hotDAMN did those poor desperate ladies kick fucking ass.

Was the 'salts' supposed to be the Utah Salt Flats?
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby GraphiteGirl » Tue May 19, 2015 12:46 am UTC

Wherever the salts were, they would have been part of the Australian outback. The whole Mad Max series is set in Australia.

My spoileriffic joyous thoughts on the handling of the action elements:

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One of the best tricks Mad Max: Fury Road pulled off was making the hyped up petrolhead bullshit part of the way the villain kept his warriors revved up, reverent and compliant all at once - the pomp and glory of their machines and their use of chemicals and their ridiculous battle musician all served to make the War Boys feel important and powerful and glorious, rather than feeling like tools in a machine to keep Immortan Joe in power. Our heroes' vehicles were only tricked out for survival and protection and a fair bit of intimidation, all of which were necessities and areas of excellence for those characters, but Joe had his Boys living a life that centred around the ritual of self-destruction and burning bright for a cause. Our best driver, Furiosa, was actually incredibly calm and measured by contrast, roaring with effort or sorrow or anger but not for performance, and as Nux changed, he became less flashy and erratic and more focused on doing exactly what needed to be done rather than blathering about glory and Valhalla. We still got to enjoy the almost grotesque action of a bunch of ridiculous vehicles and riders doing ridiculous over the top things, but the movie didn't sing a love song to violent idiocy, it stripped it bare and showed it for what it was, while also giving us a chance to see the humanity and vulnerability of those taken in by it and the bald manipulation of those using it to keep the population controlled and useful.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue May 19, 2015 8:28 am UTC

At first, I didn't have any interest in seeing the movie but all the positive (and negative :D) reviews convinced me to go check it out and I had a blast. It's big and flashy, not heavy on the dialogue but doing a huge amount of character and world building through visual cues and acting. Much more impressive and memorable than the new Avengers (not that the two have much in common but they are both flashy action movies that came out at about the same time).
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 19, 2015 12:30 pm UTC

GG, that was a spot on point.

Did anyone else think there was a bit of disabled-phobia? Villains all have some kind of physical deformities, though I felt it was more in reference to dynastic inbreeding.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Diadem » Tue May 19, 2015 1:55 pm UTC

Very nice analysis GraphiteGirl.

I loved this movie. The action scenes were excellent, the story was simple but gripping, and the world was built up excellently. Of course the entire setting is inherently unrealistic, but that's fine for a movie like this, as long as it is internally consistent. Someone should tell Michael Bay that this is how you make an action movie.

Personally I didn't see any overt feminist message in this movie. I hadn't read anything about this 'controversy' discussed here, before seeing this film, and as I walked out of the cinema I remember thinking that it was refreshing to see a damsel-in-distress story where the rescuer is also a woman. But feminism is not a major theme in the movie. It's just a movie where men and women are put on an equal footing, which should be utterly normal, and only stands out because so few movies manage it.

Izawwlgood wrote:Did anyone else think there was a bit of disabled-phobia? Villains all have some kind of physical deformities, though I felt it was more in reference to dynastic inbreeding.

I figured it was the result of radiation exposure. Supposedly the whole world was nuked, which is why almost all plant life is dead and everything is desert. It wasn't just the bad guys with deformities either, I think almost everybody was supposed to have them. Both Furiosa and Nux definitely did. It's not a world where anybody is going to life a long life. The female slaves didn't have any deformities, but I think that was the whole reason they were slaves in the first place: Because they were healthy and could thus produce relatively healthy offspring.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 19, 2015 2:40 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:I figured it was the result of radiation exposure. Supposedly the whole world was nuked, which is why almost all plant life is dead and everything is desert. It wasn't just the bad guys with deformities either, I think almost everybody was supposed to have them. Both Furiosa and Nux definitely did. It's not a world where anybody is going to life a long life. The female slaves didn't have any deformities, but I think that was the whole reason they were slaves in the first place: Because they were healthy and could thus produce relatively healthy offspring.
I thought Furiosa's was an injury, not a deformity. Additionally, only the people in power and the Warboys had deformities - the citizenry just seemed, you know, oppressed and injured.

But yeah, right, radiation exposure. That's probably it. Curious then that the heads of the clans were so scarred from it.

EDIT: HA, the soundtrack was done by Junkie XL!
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PolakoVoador » Tue May 19, 2015 5:21 pm UTC

Furiosa actually say something on the line of "He would maim his own wife/queen/whatever", and I thought it was a reference to her (missing) arm.

Also, I remember seeing some of the poor population with deformities from radiation. Other than that, the main hero is missing an arm.

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 19, 2015 10:47 pm UTC

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PolakoVoador » Wed May 20, 2015 3:25 pm UTC



That was a very interesting read

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby infernovia » Thu May 21, 2015 2:59 am UTC

It's a great movie, but the ending is unsatisfying. However, it is well worth anyone's time. It's like Brom's Dark Sun setting came to life with cars and gasoline to replace magic and psionics.

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PAstrychef » Thu May 28, 2015 3:16 pm UTC

Had a great time seeing this last night. I think the best comment on it I could make is "that was a great Mad Max movie". The female parts were dandy and very well done, and I can see why MRAs have their boxers all in a twist about them.
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Postby PAstrychef » Sun May 31, 2015 2:14 am UTC

A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Christo » Sun May 31, 2015 11:38 am UTC

PAstrychef wrote:A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?


I guess you do 25 km / day. :wink:
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Christo » Sun May 31, 2015 11:46 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:GG, that was a spot on point.

Did anyone else think there was a bit of disabled-phobia? Villains all have some kind of physical deformities, though I felt it was more in reference to dynastic inbreeding.


Yes. Absolutely. It reminded me of the x-men movies in which the heroic ones are all gorgeous and buff, and the villainous ones are freakish.

I'm not sure how I feel about the movie. I enjoyed reading this conversation more that I enjoyed watching it, I think. I was definitely into the feminist angle. Theron was spot on. Did you notice the geographic arc of the movie?

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West to east for 3/4 of the movie. East to west for 1/4 of the movie. If you were to draw a map of everywhere they went, it would be hundreds of kilometers long and a hundred meters wide.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby PAstrychef » Sun May 31, 2015 1:04 pm UTC

Christo wrote: Did you notice the geographic arc of the movie?
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West to east for 3/4 of the movie. East to west for 1/4 of the movie. If you were to draw a map of everywhere they went, it would be hundreds of kilometers long and a hundred meters wide.

Well, it's a road movie. :D
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Postby Zohar » Sun May 31, 2015 1:53 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?

Yeah I was wondering about that too, it seemed very unlikely. I figured maybe coastlines changed somehow in the movie...
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Diadem » Sun May 31, 2015 6:12 pm UTC

Yeah I noticed that as well. I thought it was supposed to demonstrate the characters' ignorance of the greater world.

In 160 days you can easily circumnavigate the globe several times. So the figure is quite obviously nonsensical. But these people have never driven this far. Do they have any idea of the size of the earth, or even the continent?
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sun May 31, 2015 7:30 pm UTC

Duh, the AustrAfrica landbridge that formed when we tectonic'd the Fourth Mongolian Empire.

Obvi.
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Christo wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:GG, that was a spot on point.

Did anyone else think there was a bit of disabled-phobia? Villains all have some kind of physical deformities, though I felt it was more in reference to dynastic inbreeding.


Yes. Absolutely. It reminded me of the x-men movies in which the heroic ones are all gorgeous and buff, and the villainous ones are freakish.


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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:15 am UTC

One of which is seen as a 'monstrous villain' by himself, the other of which is purposefully made monstrous so that people's first reactions are one of horror and revulsion. Both of these are played for drama, and EVENTUALLY subverted, but... bad examples all around.

At least it's not as bad as First Class, where preeeeetty much all the non-white bit characters either die stupid, pointless deaths, or turn evil for no reason.

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Mighty Jalapeno wrote:At least it's not as bad as First Class, where preeeeetty much all the non-white bit characters either die stupid, pointless deaths, or turn evil for no reason.

That was so terrible. I mean, I enjoyed the movie a lot, but that was really terrible.
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PAstrychef wrote:A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?


Maintaining that pace across broken terrain may be difficult, especially when rest and maintenance stops are factored in.

Maintaining a straight course across a mostly featureless wasteland is basically impossible without some kind of navigational aid.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:00 pm UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:Maintaining a straight course across a mostly featureless wasteland is basically impossible without some kind of navigational aid.
Ehhh, stars are pretty reliable. The sun marks a pretty clear course through the sky. Assuming you can see your tracks, you can roughly tell whether you're driving in a straight-ish line.
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EdgarJPublius wrote:Maintaining a straight course across a mostly featureless wasteland is basically impossible without some kind of navigational aid.
Ehhh, stars are pretty reliable. The sun marks a pretty clear course through the sky. Assuming you can see your tracks, you can roughly tell whether you're driving in a straight-ish line.


Stars are a lot harder in the Southern Hemisphere than in the north. Sigma Octantis is further from the Earth's axis than Polaris is by a good bit, and is not nearly as bright or easy to locate in the sky. Just following a random star without a good amount of knowledge of stellar navigation, will just lead around in a big circle.

Using the Sun is ok for avoiding just not walking in a circle, but its path changes noticeably from day-to-day unless it happens to be pretty near equinox. Tracking the sun also restricts the hours of useful navigation to only when the sun is near the horizon (without a tool to accurately judge the position of objects high in the sky).

Trying to use tracks to judge a straight course just flat doesn't work. For one thing, you can only ever see the last few hundred meters or so of track at most (if the terrain is actually holding tracks at all). For another, any deviation and the heading is just lost without backtracking to a straight section, forget about navigating any kind of obstacle and resuming the original heading. Also, the unaided eye can't actually discern a straight line with enough precision to avoid making a big circle.

Any of these methods can be disrupted very easily by weather.

Even if you're able to more-or-less maintain an average heading, relatively small course deviations and detours over the course of each day can add a *tremendous* amount of distance over a straight-line road course.

Small discrepancies in navigation, detours to avoid obstacles and etc. could easily add up to 50km of travel translating to less than 5km of actual progress along the intended heading.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:51 pm UTC

Well, even if you're incredibly careful, and let's say you're only traveling during the first hour after sunrise and one hour before sunset (when you can be a lot more certain of the sun's direction), you can still do 80 km/day at the rate they were going, so that's still a bit strange, to say the least. Even more so if they have a compass.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:43 pm UTC

Not to split hairs, but you say 'at the rate they're going'. I don't recall what that rate was in the films, and the frequent breakdowns do seem to take a while. Though, yes, they do drive all through the night.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:59 pm UTC

I was more referring to comments from behind the scenes stuff where they say the trucks were moving at around 70 km/h. At that speed, with only an hour's drive in the morning and evening (hopefully allowing them to drive "straighter"), it would take 28 days to drive the 4000 kms between Sydney and Perth. Even if we quadruple that for taking more time stumbling around, it still doesn't seem to make much sense.

Honestly though my issue was more of supplies - weren't they basically saying they're carrying enough supplies for 160 days? Each person would need at least 160 kgs of water (going by 1 liter per day, which isn't much at all, especially considering they'll be driving in the sun and exerting themselves), and at 2000 calories a day (also a low estimate I would guess) they'd need around 0.5-1 kg of food too, so each person needs at least 350 kilos or so to carry. Where did they have all that stuff from, did they put it in the truck? I guess they might count on finding food and water on the way, but I wouldn't have much hope of doing that in the salt flats (or salt desert or whatever).
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:12 pm UTC

Not surprisingly, as with most post-apocalyptic films, resource management is not terribly realistically handled.

Take for example the woman sitting in the tower as bait - sunstroke seems pretty imminent for a nude human perched on a hot metal crows nest. Meh.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:11 pm UTC

Yeah, these are relatively minor concerns. I mean, you want to talk about illogical logistics, let's discuss Snowpiercer (at which point I suppose its fans will split into either a "Just sit back and enjoy the ride" camp and a "It's meant as a parable it doesn't have to make sense" camp).
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby IceFlake » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:29 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Was the 'salts' supposed to be the Utah Salt Flats?

PAstrychef wrote:A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?

I thought the "salts" was what used to be the ocean floor after the oceans either receded or evaporated entirely.

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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby Diadem » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:16 pm UTC

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Izawwlgood wrote:Was the 'salts' supposed to be the Utah Salt Flats?

PAstrychef wrote:A very minor point. Sydney to Perth is 4,000 km, more or less. So if you drive 50 km/day you get across the land mass in 80 days. How could you drive for 160 days and not have hit the coastline?

I thought the "salts" was what used to be the ocean floor after the oceans either receded or evaporated entirely.

If the oceans evaporate that would leave a layer of salt of about 60 meters. Enough to smooth out most terrain features, but not nearly enough to fill the ocean basin. So if the salt flat is the ocean floor, then there should have been a several kilometre drop just before it. Also, even if the entire earth is desert, 160 days is still more than enough to circumnavigate the earth.
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Re: Mad Max: Fury Road

Postby IceFlake » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:15 am UTC

Diadem wrote:Also, even if the entire earth is desert, 160 days is still more than enough to circumnavigate the earth.

You know that and I know that, but the characters didn't know that. They had no idea how far the "salt" went. The north coast of Australia has several hundred miles of continental shelf. If it were exposed, you could drive a fair distance on it before coming to a significant slope.


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