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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:32 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Only 3 episodes into Luke Cage Season 2, and can't shake the feeling that they've slowed down all the Caribbean people talking to make them easier to understand.

I'm pretty sure people spoke much more slowly in Black Panther compared to other Marvel movies because of this reason.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Angua » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:46 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
Angua wrote:Only 3 episodes into Luke Cage Season 2, and can't shake the feeling that they've slowed down all the Caribbean people talking to make them easier to understand.

I'm pretty sure people spoke much more slowly in Black Panther compared to other Marvel movies because of this reason.

Yeah, I remember thinking that at the time too. I think because I get more engrossed in a movie and you can't post while watching one it didn't stick with me because there was so much else to process.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Raidri » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:11 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Only 3 episodes into Luke Cage Season 2, and can't shake the feeling that they've slowed down all the Caribbean people talking to make them easier to understand.

Someone created a thread for Luke Cage, why not post there? :mrgreen:

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:52 pm UTC

Because the conversation could easily shift to a broader discussion (not long enough to warrant it's own thread) about accents in Film and Television when shot outside their native areas and how they are adjusted so the audience for which the media is presumably being aimed at (or at least the collective group the people making the thing belong to) and how it changes things like how quickly a person speaks, how strong an accent is, and if the actual dialect is preserved or abandoned or some combination thereof.

See also - I'm too lazy to look - the Forum Rule about reporting shit instead of addressing it in thread, specifically Do not post in the thread to tell someone they've broken a rule without reporting it, and preferably, don't post in the thread to tell someone they've broken the rule at all.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Raidri » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:16 am UTC

I didn't mean to report a broken rule or something, it was just an observation (made more funny for me because Angua started the Luke Cage thread ... but it may have been only me).

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:35 pm UTC

I am watching Peaky Blinders. Whenever the characters speak of ww1, they say "France" when "the war" would be as explicit (and more straightforward). I don't think that is strange when talking about people who died in France, or things that happened in France, but sentences like "How was he before France?" are a bit weird to me.

I guess I am not used to France being the name of a war or traumatic event.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:49 pm UTC

Grop wrote:I am watching Peaky Blinders. Whenever the characters speak of ww1, they say "France" when "the war" would be as explicit (and more straightforward). I don't think that is strange when talking about people who died in France, or things that happened in France, but sentences like "How was he before France?" are a bit weird to me.

I guess I am not used to France being the name of a war or traumatic event.

Well, aside from "World War I" obviously being not really available, until speculation about WW2 came to the fore, it was a war with many fronts around the world and "France" (The Western Front of the European theatre, give or take) was the place that many such men experienced it, who would not have experienced that locale (France) in a civilian context.

People involved in some other part of the war (e.g. at sea) would have had a different frame of reference, but with the Pals Regiments system and very little other option for these people we saw who went over there (and came back) it probably boiled quite nicely down as "the fields of France" (or the muddy quagmires).

And, aside from gradually picking up the 'feeling' of "the war" through repeated use of the euphemism, it's perhaps a softer term to use when discussing all that goes with having through the kind of conditions that caused (for example) Danny "Whizz-Bang"'s problems.


I can't speak for the reliability of the language used, it seems to be trying to be true to the area/era (and a quick look for complaints about that revealed "despite the usual accuracy, this thing in series 4 stands out as somewhat wrong" remarks). I'm also not local (nor quite ancient) enough to have first-hand experience of that particular setting, and work out for myself which liberties are being taken on behalf of the modern audience (or just plain messed up).

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:10 pm UTC

In fact, they also happen to say the war sometimes, so I suppose this is also in order to avoid repetitions.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Angua » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:42 pm UTC

Angua wrote:
Zohar wrote:
Angua wrote:Only 3 episodes into Luke Cage Season 2, and can't shake the feeling that they've slowed down all the Caribbean people talking to make them easier to understand.

I'm pretty sure people spoke much more slowly in Black Panther compared to other Marvel movies because of this reason.

Yeah, I remember thinking that at the time too. I think because I get more engrossed in a movie and you can't post while watching one it didn't stick with me because there was so much else to process.

So, I decided to watch an episode with subtitles on. The subtitles are in English, not Jamaican dialect which is a total shame. They should have just let me filter it, would have been closer than what they've got.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:02 am UTC

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(I've also worn out shoes made for 2015, but I doubt I could sell them for that much…)

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby natraj » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:03 pm UTC

why do you have this weird fetish for posting links without actually letting anyone know what you're posting ABOUT?

"Back to the Future shoe sells for nearly $100k" is soupspoon's link above.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Weeks » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:46 pm UTC

natraj wrote:why do you have this weird fetish for posting links without actually letting anyone know what you're posting ABOUT?
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby natraj » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:40 am UTC

oh nooo i didn't quote it and then st helpful-edited but trust me it was originally SUPER unhelpful
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:38 pm UTC

It was something like "Old shoes sell at auction" and the other one was... something like "And then there's this (Which doesn't...."
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:37 pm UTC

A series of fleeting thoughts about recent movies/TV shows I've been watching:

  • Insecure is a fantastic show by Issa Rae, she plays a somewhat screwed-up young person in LA trying to deal with being the only black person at her work (and NGO that provides education support to young kids of color) and with her own complicated long-term relationship. This show is great,
    but it's hard for me to watch more than one episode at a time because they're usually a bit heavy. It's also very funny, which you would not necessarily expect. It's on HBO, contains lots of nudity, and season 3 starts in August.
  • Jane the Virgin continues to me an amazing and intricate show about complicated people trying to find a place for themselves. Season 5 (possibly the last one) starts next fall I think.
  • Crazy Ex-Girlfriend - I just love this show. It is so set on destroying notions of traditional romance, its characters are all so flawed and (mostly)
    well-meaning, it has amazing songs and excellent portrayals of people with mental health issues. Season 4 (the final one) starts in October I believe.
  • Ocean's 8 - I just wanted to see a fun, light, heist movie and I got exactly what I wanted. I loved it. I don't remember Ocean's 11 much at all so I don't know how it compares, but this was just a delight to watch, on a night where I needed some extra delight.
  • Pose is Ryan Murphy's (Glee, American Horror Story) new show about the 80s ball scene and the AIDS crisis in New York. It is really excellent,
    but also a bit heavy. You should definitely watch Paris is Burning, the excellent documentary about the same time, I believe it's available on Netflix.
    This show is on Amazon and season 1 is ongoing.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:29 pm UTC

Moviepass basically has become a dumpster fire. Not sure how much it's going to impact theater goers and what kind of films ultimately get made, but the experiment was fun while it lasted.

After running out of money and cards being declined everywhere, they announced that some films, days, etc no showings will be available without warning. Also, they're cutting their customer service, so good luck getting anything fixed.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby JudeMorrigan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:44 pm UTC

The voice actor who does Pooh in the Christopher Robin movie also voiced Minsc in the Baldur's Gate game. Pooh as miniature giant space bear is now part of my headcannon. Go for the eyes, Pooh! Go for the eyes!

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Yablo » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:18 pm UTC

I was thinking about Leslie Nielsen and how I still make references to Police Squad!, The Naked Gun, and Airplane!, and that made me curious. I checked his IMDB. It looks like he was in 17 movies/television shows whose titles ended in punctuation:

  • Ransom!
  • Climax!
  • Rosie!
  • The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
  • Bearcats!
  • ... And Millions Die!
  • The F.B.I.
  • Can Ellen Be Saved?
  • S.W.A.T.
  • Viva Knievel!
  • What Really Happened to the Class of '65?
  • Vega$
  • Airplane!
  • Police Squad!
  • Cave In!
  • Who's the Boss?
  • The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!
That has to be a record.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:39 am UTC

Reading earlier today about actor Sai"d Taghmaoui not sure if he's still down for the villain in the next James Bond (after Danny Boyle left the process) and how "If they go Middle East, it's you. If they go Russian, it's someone else" is how he reports the background conversations he's had, it made me think of the bellwether of the Bond films.

I started to compile a list of enemy groups (and characters) but only got through the first dozen up to '79 (all films!) and starting at that end the film date isn't as good an indicator as the date of the book they were at least mostly based upon, until The Spy Who Loved Me or thereabouts (and of course Casino Royale).


But if they're actually going to be following the current trends, I could see them going "bad Russia" (or at least "bad person who came from Russia, or elsewhere Soviet prior to the traumatic split of the Union) like they haven't really done since Cracker Fitz got promoted to ally and Sharp/Stark turned out to be the bad guy. Because after that it was Big Business for a couple of films North Koreans (but particularly bad NKs, at that) then from the second Casino Royale was basically Criminal Business (French), Business (Haiti/Bolivia), Revenge (homegrown with oriental aspects) and the ubiquitous background sinister organisation (multinational).

Spoiler:
Though obviously there's a difference between the locale of the enemy 'gang', the nationality of the Villainy-personified (main bad guy) and that of Head Henchman (hands-on antagonist). Though in the early years there was a tendency to go Germanic (or Sino-Germanic, or Polish-German-Greek) where it wasn't actual Russian/Baltic or (in the case of Grant) anti-British Irish. With a smattering of (presumed) French/Italian types but then they're villains and aren't acting for their countries of origin (not even all the Rusdians), etc.

(Diamonds Are Forever brought in the hench-American duo. Live And Let Die was Caribbean jaunt, just as the book had been but maybe even more Blaxpoitationy.)


Sorry, don't mind me. It's just been rolling through my head since I read that article. Fleeting thoughts, indeed.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:39 pm UTC

Different fleeting thoughts, much more fleeting:

Definitely reminds me of The Wizard Of Oz…

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:20 pm UTC

I saw A Simple Favor last night and had a really great time. It's an odd funny mystery thriller. If you liked Gone Girl, you would probably like this.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Angua » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:45 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I saw A Simple Favor last night and had a really great time. It's an odd funny mystery thriller. If you liked Gone Girl, you would probably like this.

We went to watch it over the weekend and enjoyed it.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:58 pm UTC

I've been thinking a lot about a parallel dimension where Sam Raimi has a complicated, important sounding name, and Darren Aronofksy's name is three syllables. Prestige in film making is so weird.
Aronofsky also does "feel smart" topics like the struggles of addiction, and math he doesn't understand, instead of low-brow stuff like zombie demons.

So basically, the only difference between Drag Me to Hell and Black Swan is that the former had better practical effects.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:58 pm UTC

I've been thinking a lot about a parallel dimension where Sam Raimi has a complicated, important sounding name, and Darren Aronofksy's name is three syllables. Prestige in film making is so weird.
Aronofsky also does "feel smart" topics like the struggles of addiction, and math he doesn't understand, instead of low-brow stuff like zombie demons.

So basically, the only difference between Drag Me to Hell and Black Swan is that the former had better practical effects.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:28 pm UTC

Apparently people like Searching a lot. I was going to dismiss the movie because it seems so gimmicky but now I'm considering going to see it.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:51 am UTC

Zohar wrote:it seems so gimmicky

I think "gimmick" is one of those charged words that only applies to what other people do. I don't think anyone's like "here's my gimmick", or even "I really liked that one gimmick". Sound and color used to be gimmicky.


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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:12 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:
Zohar wrote:it seems so gimmicky

I think "gimmick" is one of those charged words that only applies to what other people do. I don't think anyone's like "here's my gimmick", or even "I really liked that one gimmick". Sound and color used to be gimmicky.

That's a fair criticism of the word! I meant to say, it seems like the movie tries to lift itself by using this method of photography. Which I'm sure it does, but the reviews say it still has a lot of merit.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:59 pm UTC

Venom's surprisingly good. Was expecting a dark and angsty entry, sort of adjacent to X-men: Apocalypse. It was pleasantly surprising instead, with bits of humor and a generally decent sense of pacing.

I guess we got yet another marvel-verse superior to DC's average quality now. That's what, three?

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby sardia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:28 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Venom's surprisingly good. Was expecting a dark and angsty entry, sort of adjacent to X-men: Apocalypse. It was pleasantly surprising instead, with bits of humor and a generally decent sense of pacing.

I guess we got yet another marvel-verse superior to DC's average quality now. That's what, three?

I rather wait for the Blu Ray.i heard there's a lot of extra scenes that would help The movie.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:54 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Venom's surprisingly good. Was expecting a dark and angsty entry, sort of adjacent to X-men: Apocalypse. It was pleasantly surprising instead, with bits of humor and a generally decent sense of pacing.

I guess we got yet another marvel-verse superior to DC's average quality now. That's what, three?


The general view of Venom seems to be that it's a badly made movie with significant redeeming features (mostly Tom Hardy's performances) which critics hate, but anyone interested enough to go see despite the critics finds enough to enjoy.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:16 pm UTC

It's an enjoyable movie, but yeah, definitely not the sort of movie that ends up being critically acclaimed. The villain is fairly flat, but this is largely unimportant(like, say, the first GotG level). Hardy's great, and sure, some of the stuff is a bit ridiculous, but honestly, so are the comics. I'd rather a funny, over the top performance than one that attempts to be overly realistic.


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