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Postby SlyReaper » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:41 am UTC

Cool. There is hope yet.
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Postby thatguy » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:20 pm UTC

The only sad part of this news is that with Brian Fuller working on Heroes, he's not working on Pushing Daisies.

Which got canceled, btw.

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Postby Megatriorchis » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:41 pm UTC

thatguy wrote:The only sad part of this news is that with Brian Fuller working on Heroes, he's not working on Pushing Daisies.

Which got canceled, btw.

Aw, don't even remind me of that. :(
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Postby Mo0man » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:21 pm UTC

They canceled the rest of the season, did they cancel next season too? I thought we were still holding out hope for that
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Postby headprogrammingczar » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:10 am UTC

Mo0man wrote:They canceled the rest of the season, did they cancel next season too? I thought we were still holding out hope for that
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Well...Dead Like Me, but that is a movie.
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Postby sugarhyped » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:51 am UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Since when is Dead Like Me a movie?

I got excited when I heard about it in the cancelled television thread... yay!
anyways... there's heroes tomorrow. last one for a while i believe?
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Postby Megatriorchis » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:01 am UTC

sugarhyped wrote:
Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Since when is Dead Like Me a movie?

I got excited when I heard about it in the cancelled television thread... yay!
anyways... there's heroes tomorrow. last one for a while i believe?

Yep. Thank the Gods of Television. This show needs a complete revision when it comes to writing.
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Postby thatguy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:06 am UTC

Mo0man wrote:They canceled the rest of the season, did they cancel next season too? I thought we were still holding out hope for that
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Yeah, they canceled the second half and aren't picking it up for a third. :(

On topic:
WHY THE HELL DOES SYLAR GET THE INTRO? THAT'S MOHINDER'S DEAL, DAMMIT!!!!

I was waiting for Monica and Echo... No dice.

Refugees... Nice. Looks like less of this Good v. Evil crap. Also, the black President was a nice touch.

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Postby knight427 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:31 am UTC

How will Hiro get his power back?

Peter betraying his beliefs to save him and his brother was a reasonable way to get them out of the corner they painted themselves into.

When did Nathan grow a pair of evil balls? Suddenly he's making plans on his own, rather than being the tool for his mom or dad. I'm not sure I buy the character development over the past few episodes. Still, brother vs. brother is a decent place to go imho.

Finally, if you are going to try and invoke semi-real science in your story, please at least have a high-schooler's understanding of it (i.e. Theory of Relativity). I would have much preferred that they just gave Ando the time-travel power directly, though I guess as a side-kick, his power makes sense (useless on his own, makes the primary hero more powerful). Still, I wanted to shoot someone in the head as soon as I saw Daphne go back in time 30 seconds.
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Postby Delass » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:26 am UTC

Im pretty happy with Claire being the one to kill syler, though I guess her mom did technically insure he stayed dead. I liked the irony that if he hadnt stabbed her with adrenaline, she wouldnt have burnt primatech down and cremated him. Anyway, claires mom is unable to burn, so why is everyone so sad at the end?


Also, daphne can only travel back in time, right? That means everyone who can travel to the future is dead or without powers. (hiro has no power, sylers dead, arthurs dead, peter has his base power back, but no one to get timetravel from.)

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:52 am UTC

Delass wrote:Also, daphne can only travel back in time, right?

Except for the part where they traveled forwards in time back to Matt, you're right.

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Postby Nath » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:25 am UTC

Aikanaro wrote:Stupid, stupid question: Was that actually Obama?

No; it was Worf.

Delass wrote:Im pretty happy with Claire being the one to kill syler, though I guess her mom did technically insure he stayed dead.

Ensure is a strong word to use in a TV show like Heroes. If the writers need him back, he'll be back. And I suspect that they will.

Delass wrote:Anyway, claires mom is unable to burn, so why is everyone so sad at the end?

She's OK with burning, but doesn't enjoy having buildings fall on her.

It doesn't feel like this volume has been fully wrapped up. Did they ever explain now Nathan survived the assassination? I don't think they ever properly explained his plan or motives, either. He knew what Peter had seen in the future, but never seemed to address that issue. His new plan seems more logical, though more villainous.

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Postby headprogrammingczar » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:36 pm UTC

Nath wrote:logical, though more villainous

Always a good direction for a show to take.
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Postby SlyReaper » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:38 pm UTC

What a load of bollocks with that relativity thing and Daphne travelling through time. Going faster than light doesn't make you go backwards in time. It would make you go forwards in imaginary time (the gamma function would evaluate to an imaginary number). Which is nonsense.

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Postby headprogrammingczar » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:10 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:I hate pseudo-science. :evil:

They could have written in:
Ando: OMGWTF!
Matt: Leik WHOAH Dude!

and left it at that. On a show like this any show, they don't have to have an explanation unless they can make a good one. The characters do not know everything.
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Postby apricity » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:35 pm UTC

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Delass wrote:Anyway, claires mom is unable to burn, so why is everyone so sad at the end?

She's OK with burning, but doesn't enjoy having buildings fall on her.
The whole exploding thing was probably pretty uncomfortable too.
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SlyReaper wrote:What a load of bollocks with that relativity thing and Daphne travelling through time. Going faster than light doesn't make you go backwards in time. It would make you go forwards in imaginary time (the gamma function would evaluate to an imaginary number). Which is nonsense.

I hate pseudo-science. :evil:

But you like all the other super-abilities on the show?

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Postby Chen » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:52 pm UTC

So did Peter just get his base ability back? And then get Nathan's from him? Also what was with Usutu at the end during the closing monologue? And whats Nathan's "plan"? The whole rounding up super power people in season 1 future episode was because "Nathan" was really Sylar wasn't it? The jump from "lets give everyone powers" to "lets hunt down and persecute those with powers" seems kinda strange to me.

I'm wondering whether that future scene with Hiro/Ando fighting is going to come to pass. It seems pretty silly if it doesn't cause it would have been pretty much pointless. Its also kinda strange since Ando's power doesn't seem terribly offensive in nature.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:03 pm UTC

It LOOKED like Ando killed Hiro, but looking back, Ando super-charged Hiro so he could do something AMZING... maybe move the whole world back in time? I dunno...

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Postby Mo0man » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:07 pm UTC

Maybe he didn't actually kill Hiro. What happened to Future Hiro's body when he was hit by Ando again? Maybe it was just a shot that supercharged Hiros ability and let him do... whatever he was planning on doing
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Postby knight427 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:12 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:What a load of bollocks with that relativity thing and Daphne travelling through time. Going faster than light doesn't make you go backwards in time. It would make you go forwards in imaginary time (the gamma function would evaluate to an imaginary number). Which is nonsense.

I hate pseudo-science. :evil:

But you like all the other super-abilities on the show?


But they don't try to explain how the other super-abilities work. I suppose if I was a geneticist, I'd be just as annoyed by all the genetic manipulation BS they use. But they don't get into the physics of how a man can fly or stop time...it's essentially magic. It is then annoying to watch them try to expand their magic bag of tricks by mixing magic with science, especially when they get the science completely wrong. They should have stuck to what they know...magic.
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Postby Lumpy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:20 pm UTC

If Flint and Knox didn't think that giving everyone powers was such a great idea, why did they sign up to work for Arthur?

Also, yes, Nathan's plan is the exact same as Sylar's in the alternate future from the first season. His jumping directly from beliefs that the world would be better if everyone had powers, and the criminals would be no trouble at all because the law-abiding citizens with powers could keep them in check, to believing that the ones already with powers must all be locked up, is like jumping from from a position where grenades should be allowed in children's hospitals to one where everyone with a pistol is thrown in prison. It makes no sense.

I liked what I hope is the final Sylar scene. You can see him light up when Angela Petrelli begins her "I lied so I could give you the love of a mother, even though you weren't my son" story, then darken when the lie ability kicks in. Toward the end, it looked like although he had started killing for abilities again, he was only doing it selectively as far as it was needed to get revenge on people he felt had hurt him.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:22 pm UTC

But a lot of people might not associate going fast with time travel at all. Supercharging a psychic makes him MORE psychic, but it's hard to supercharge someone who can run around the world in thirty seconds and have something dramatic happen. A lot of people would probably be confused by "What, now SHE has Hiro's power? What the hell!"

So, they had to justify it, somehow. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the people who think that magic and science are the same thing (IE, the average NBC viewer).

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Postby Lumpy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:24 pm UTC

They just wanted to reference a common sci-fi trope.

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Postby Mo0man » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:27 pm UTC

Is there anyone else who thinks that Ando's ability is kinda... useless? If he needs to be in contact to supercharge the ability, not to mention he can't touch people with abilities without automatically supercharging them (as of yet). I mean, they've already shown what could happen when someone loses control of their ability... basically everyone he touches could change into another Ted, just from contact. Plus, he charges them way over what would be practical for use (most of the time).

tl;dr: Ando is useless. Lack of control over his ability, from both perspectives: on his part (to the level he can charge them to) and from the person he charges (since it seems to automatically activate the ability). Maybe this can change as he learns more control.

Also, who was that other guy who was caught in level 5? There was the puppet guy, there was the change into iron guy... who was the last one?

Oh, also, what was the point of the marine? I was thinking he might end up being marginally useful, but... no
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Postby Lumpy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:34 pm UTC

Just showing how Nathan's plan would be different from his father's. Only law enforcement and "good guys" get abilities. The dead guy with his throat slit was Echo de Mille from a short series of online webisodes.

There were two other level 5 escapees caught by Sylar and thrown back into PrimaTech in the graphic novels. One had a combination of enhanced strength and skin durability. The other could breathe chlorine gas. Aside from those three, plus the puppet guy, Baron Samedi should have been in there.

In an interview, Usutu's actor said that Tim Kring originally conceived of Usutu to be an archetype of "Yoda" from Star Wars. In fact, early scripts had Usutu speaking in broken English akin to the way Yoda speaks.


Oh, so Usutu was indeed meant to be a stereotype.
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Postby Vanguard » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:44 pm UTC

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tl;dr: Ando is useless. Lack of control over his ability, from both perspectives: on his part (to the level he can charge them to) and from the person he charges (since it seems to automatically activate the ability). Maybe this can change as he learns more control.


Control comes with time. It's kind of stupid to say he's useless. Look back on season 1, since when did any character start with professional control over their ability? Ando just needs some time to refine and understand it.

Mo0man wrote:Oh, also, what was the point of the marine? I was thinking he might end up being marginally useful, but... no


I think he was just original proof that the formula worked.
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Postby Aikanaro » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:49 pm UTC

Pseudo-logical explanation of Nathan's stance: He just wants a level playing field. Either everyone should have powers, or no one should. Either way, you prevent another situation like the Haitian's brother's empire.
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Postby Lumpy » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:51 pm UTC

Nathan's been pretending to be a guy stuck at a twilight crossroad between daylight and darkness for a long while, when it's been apparent down which road he's been heading.

Still annoyed that he showed absolutely no concern that he was seeing Linderman ghosts during the first episodes.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:52 pm UTC

No-one, but him. Do you really think he's going to say "Oh, yeah, by the way, I can defy gravity, I'm radar-undetectable, and have proven that I can carry payloads into foreign countries whenever I want."

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Postby knight427 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:21 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:But a lot of people might not associate going fast with time travel at all. Supercharging a psychic makes him MORE psychic, but it's hard to supercharge someone who can run around the world in thirty seconds and have something dramatic happen.


I was wondering what would happen to Hiro with Ando's power. I mean, he stops time, and travels through time. Those are pretty absolute powers, maybe he can travel to other dimensions?

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:A lot of people would probably be confused by "What, now SHE has Hiro's power? What the hell!"


I know, so my point is that they should have found another magic way to save Hiro. Maybe Ando's power could have given alternate powers to those he touches and can eventually control what he gives to someone. I'm sure there a million other possibilities which would not require a further dumbing down of American's with respect to real science.

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:So, they had to justify it, somehow. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the people who think that magic and science are the same thing (IE, the average NBC viewer).


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Postby Torvaun » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:01 pm UTC

Super-powers aside, we're talking about a show that perpetuated the '10% of our brain' myth in the first episode. Did anyone -really- think the science would be even half decent?
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Postby Uber_Apple » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:19 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:It LOOKED like Ando killed Hiro, but looking back, Ando super-charged Hiro so he could do something AMZING... maybe move the whole world back in time? I dunno...


The show has asserted many times that powers are controlled by the brain so mabye Ando's powers supercharges peoples brain function, causing their powers to be superpowered. Thus he would also be able to 'overcharge'/overload someones brain, causing them to become unconcious or die or loose control of their ability, whichever fits the plot more at the time. So mabye Ando did attack Hiro especially becuase he expressedly says something like 'GIVE ME THE FORMULA NAO!!!!' and Hiro's all 'Equip sword(+1attack)!'

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Postby SlyReaper » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:39 pm UTC

I wonder if Ando's supercharge thing can temporarily restore abilities that Arthur stole? I like to think so because it means Hiro won't be useless in the next volume.
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