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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby dyzzy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:25 pm UTC

He might not regenerate if Hiro left Kensei's sword in his chest, which would have doubled as a very profound way to deal with him.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Bakemaster » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:32 pm UTC

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:34 pm UTC

dyzzy wins. That is truly the only thing that would have been more kick-ass than just leaving Adam in the coffin. Interestingly enough, this also provides the chance for revival for Adam.

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Also, the actor claims he's coming back. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/ ... 13999.aspx About halfway down the page.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby thecommabandit » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:39 pm UTC

Yeah, Noah is definately one of my favourite characters now.


More on the discussion of Adam: Ok, so he doesn't age because his cells constantly regenerate. But short of magic, they still need some form of sustenance right? So if he's in a coffin, six feet under with no light, no food, no water and very little air won't he actually die (I mean totally and utterly) from asphyxiation/starvation? Just because he can regenerate from a lot of wounds doesn't mean he doesn't still need food and air to do it. In fact, I could imagine he (and Claire, for that matter) would probably be quite hungry and thirsty after re-growing a body part or sealing up a fatal wound.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby quix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:43 pm UTC

dyzzy wrote:He might not regenerate if Hiro left Kensei's sword in his chest, which would have doubled as a very profound way to deal with him.


Hmm.. like a vampire can't be killed unless you either chop off it's head or leave a stake in it's heart. That would be a fun back story for Adam or another with his power.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:45 pm UTC

Why would you assume that magic isn't involved? We've got people turning invisible, flying very long distances, regenerating, throwing lightning, walking through walls, seeing the future, traveling to the future and the past, stopping time, teleporting, exploding, erasing memories, reading minds, and throwing illusions about. There are enough free energy machines for this show to fuel a whole site like badscience.com all by itself.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby quix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:46 pm UTC

True, but we've already established that the "science" in the Heroes world is kinda fantastic, so it's possible they haven't thought it that far through.

thecommabandit wrote:More on the discussion of Adam: Ok, so he doesn't age because his cells constantly regenerate. But short of magic, they still need some form of sustenance right?

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Masuri » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:48 pm UTC

Torvaun wrote:dyzzy wins. That is truly the only thing that would have been more kick-ass than just leaving Adam in the coffin. Interestingly enough, this also provides the chance for revival for Adam.

Also, the actor claims he's coming back. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/ ... 13999.aspx About halfway down the page.


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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Zohar » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:54 pm UTC

Yeah, I meant what dyzzy said. We know Claire doesn't revive until what killed her is removed. So the same probably goes for Adam and he can just stay like sleeping beauty, only instead of getting a kiss someone will have to pull a sword out of his body (King Arthur, anyone?).

I just meant that the punishment he received seemed very severe, considering what I thought Hiro was like.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Belial » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:40 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Yeah, I meant what dyzzy said. We know Claire doesn't revive until what killed her is removed.
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Not really. That only seems to go for things jammed in her brain. She and kensei have both been impaled through the chest and it hasn't stopped them.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Lumpy » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:54 pm UTC

Yeah, Adam was impaled by a sword while Hiro and the swordsmith's daughter were infiltrating the camp, and he just took it back out of him. Peter was dead when a huge shard of glass got stuck in his head, but when it was removed he woke up. Claire had something in her head when a football player tried to rape her and she woke up on the autopsy table when it was removed. Wouldn't it be difficult to replicate that effect on purpose without accidentally killing?

Maybe if he had a nail gun, but I doubt Hiro could have thought of that. I think Hiro valued life so much that he probably thought that trapping him in the coffin for eternity would be a lighter punishment.

I like all of the currently existing heroes too much for any of them to get Sylar'd, so maybe they'll introduce new characters for him to scalp with powers that wouldn't be interesting enough by themselves, like super eyesight.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:00 pm UTC

Something just occurred to me. Adam doesn't see himself as human. He doesn't place other people on the same level as himself. He doesn't have the normal human taboos for preservation of the species, because he doesn't think of himself as being one of them. Given this, Adam has some sustenance available to him, and his character would totally use it.

Edit: What do you think the odds are of Sylar and Noah working together against the Company? Sylar is probably more interested in crushing them than he is in Claire right now. They took away his powers. They took away what made him special. That's way more important than becoming a regenerator. Noah doesn't like Sylar at all, but he's pragmatic enough that I think he could justify using Sylar as a weapon, especially with the Haitian keeping tabs on the whole thing.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby mosc » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:45 pm UTC

Sylar has not been shown as overly vengeful, just overly greedy and ambitious. What would be the gain in going after the company? I don't disagree that he would do it (and have no fear as well) but there must be more of a payoff than 'they removed my powers so now they will die'. Course, if the writers are dumb enough, they could turn him into a more stereotypical evil which just looks for ways to kill or hurt anything they come into contact with at all costs.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby quix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:05 pm UTC

He might try to do it just as a way of obtaining all their records and/or "patients" and getting more powers. Hmm, my money's on Elle being his next (successful) target.

mosc wrote:Sylar has not been shown as overly vengeful, just overly greedy and ambitious. What would be the gain in going after the company? I don't disagree that he would do it (and have no fear as well) but there must be more of a payoff than 'they removed my powers so now they will die'. Course, if the writers are dumb enough, they could turn him into a more stereotypical evil which just looks for ways to kill or hurt anything they come into contact with at all costs.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:30 pm UTC

Sylar would do it because as far as he knows, they've got loads of virus. They may have virus loaded tranq guns. They were able to kill his powers once, they must be assumed to have the ability to do it again. His first order of business would be to acquire whatever powers he has to to be able to pull off a quiet infiltration. Then an Earth-shattering Kaboom, courtesy of Ted Sprague. If Noah is willing and able to get him in, he would likely accept that. Best odds are that Noah would then backstab him by warning the Company, to try and get Sylar killed, not to mention raising his own standing.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby apricity » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:13 am UTC

I can't believe nobody's mentioned this, because it's the first thing I thought of... where the hell did the Irish chick go? Peter hasn't gone to find her or even MENTIONED her, even though she was supposedly the reason he was going along with Adam's whole thing. And if she's in a future that they've now made impossible, what happens to her? Does she just... evaporate?

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby scowdich » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:15 am UTC

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When the obsolete timeline becomes impossible, she'll probably "snap back" to the modern course of events - it'd be as though she never left, or at least, never went to the future with Peter. Or, perhaps, she still wound up in the future, but it's just a different future (hopefully, virus-free).

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:16 am UTC

I hate to ask but..

Spoiler:
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I mean, I know what his power, but he has used it less than Nathan.
I really want to see him turn a guy into coal or something cool like that.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:41 am UTC

Bob's not on one of the Company's tag squads. He's a manager. Probably the head honcho. He's not expected to be using his power all the time. Example: Bill Gates probably doesn't write a lot of code. Various franchise managers don't flip burgers or stuff burritos. The skills one uses to rise through the ranks are quite often not the skills they will use if they get to the top.

Consider how much Linderman was using his power. I know he wasn't featured as much as Bob, but I'd bet that showing Nathan that he knew what he was talking about and later healing his wife as a favor were as much as he'd used his power since the Company had deposed Adam.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Jack Saladin » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:20 am UTC

How does everyone feel about spoiler tagging non-aired material? Info from leaks, interviews, or whatever. Coolio?

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Torvaun » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:24 am UTC

Sure. Sorry. Want me to go back and check for things? I think I only had the one actor interview.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Lumpy » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:41 pm UTC

I bet Bob devotes part of his schedule solely to turning things to gold, maybe for one hour from 4 to 5 pm on Thursdays, and there's a Chief Financial Officer charged with mundane things like accounting and selling them on eBay.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby xenuphobia » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:02 pm UTC

Aleril wrote:I hate to ask but..

Spoiler:
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(spoiler for hooge)


I mean, I know what his power, but he has used it less than Nathan.
I really want to see him turn a guy into coal or something cool like that.


Isn't that the same for a lot of people in the Company? We've never seen Ma Patrelli's power (at least explicitly, because it could be some kind of manipulation thing. There's never been a moment when the camera comes on her and she makes a squinty face to show that she's actually doing something) and we never saw Hiro's father's power either. Or Victoria Pratt's. Charles Deveaux was kind of a blurry area because he did something, but it's not clear exactly what. Et cetera. I think we're supposed to get the impression that higher-ups in the Company don't use theirs much anymore, either because it's not necessary or because they've seen the consequences of what can come out of them and try to approach things from a different angle.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby MaximoBean » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:16 pm UTC

So when is heroes coming back on tv? I hope it gets better next half!

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Rikor » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:35 pm UTC

xenuphobia wrote:
Aleril wrote:I hate to ask but..

Spoiler:
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(spoiler for hooge)


I mean, I know what his power, but he has used it less than Nathan.
I really want to see him turn a guy into coal or something cool like that.


Isn't that the same for a lot of people in the Company? We've never seen Ma Patrelli's power (at least explicitly, because it could be some kind of manipulation thing. There's never been a moment when the camera comes on her and she makes a squinty face to show that she's actually doing something) and we never saw Hiro's father's power either. Or Victoria Pratt's. Charles Deveaux was kind of a blurry area because he did something, but it's not clear exactly what. Et cetera. I think we're supposed to get the impression that higher-ups in the Company don't use theirs much anymore, either because it's not necessary or because they've seen the consequences of what can come out of them and try to approach things from a different angle.


It's not really clear that Charles actually did do anything though. Keep in mind that Peter has several as of yet unrecognized powers. He would have absorbed his mother's and Charles' powers, possibly his father's as well (this is sort of a grey area, since his father was gone before Peter's power had really fully manifested). For all we know, the entire "dream" sequence people point to as evidence of Charles' power could be entirely Peter's doing.

I don't know why, but my greatest curiosity in the Heroes universe has always been wanting to find out what the other founders powers are.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:36 pm UTC

MaximoBean wrote:So when is heroes coming back on tv? I hope it gets better next half!


If we are lucky, February or March. If not, August or September.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby thecommabandit » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:34 pm UTC

I have a feeling they're using the multiple time-lines version of time travel, i.e. when Hiro went into the future in 'String Theory' into the future, he went into a different universe. If it was in his own universe/timeline then he and Ando wouldn't be in the future, since if they went into the future (using Hiro's power) they would have disappeared, and if they had gone into the future and gone back to the moment after they left from the present, they would have known about the future and stopped it (as they did).

Either that or the writers decided to include a time-traveling power before they thought out the causality-related problems and are just cutting corners. I'm hoping it's the first one.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:43 pm UTC

I am hoping that, no matter what Hiro does, the future is set in stone and that the explosion and virus will actually happen.


It wouldnt be a happy ending, but it would be realistic.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Bakemaster » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:48 pm UTC

Aleril, in the Heroes thread wrote:realistic.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:52 pm UTC

Bakemaster wrote:
Aleril, in the Heroes thread wrote:realistic.

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But it would be interesting to see everything in the future actually happen. It would be a hooge plot twist.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Lumpy » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:27 am UTC

I really don't think that Sylar will have an easy time posing as Nathan as president now that he's been assassinated by the Company, Aleril.

I bet Tuesday's graphic novel will feature either Bob or Elle. They're the only major characters without their own.

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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:48 am UTC

Lumpy wrote:I really don't think that Sylar will have an easy time posing as Nathan as president now that he's been assassinated by the Company, Aleril.


Who says he's dead?
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Postby Torvaun » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:15 am UTC

I was going to say something about how hard it'd be for him to get Candice's power now that she's dead. Then I realized how she died, and what the aftermath was. So now I just need to find a way for him to get a phasing power, what with D.L. being dead and all.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Allium Cepa » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:35 am UTC

I was under the impression that Sylar wasn't able to get Candice's ability. His power is being able to get other peoples powers from their brains. Since his power wasn't working when he killed Candice how would he be able to acquire it from her?
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Postby Torvaun » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:41 am UTC

His ability is figuring out how things work. That's how he figured out how to obtain other people's powers. Presumably, anyone could gain power in the same way, if they knew how. He already knew how to do it, he didn't have to figure it out each time. So, he may well have gained her power of illusion.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Bakemaster » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:21 pm UTC

I disagree. His ability is explained as being able to figure out how things work. You wouldn't say that Hiro's ability is to scrunch up his face and think real hard, would you? It's just how the process appears to us and feels to him. So although Sylar experiences his ability as "knowing how things work" I would guess he can do what he does by virtue of his superhuman genetics, not knowledge.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Vanguard » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:23 pm UTC

I'll take the side of the fence where it wouldn't make sense that he would get Candice's power, because he couldn't know how to figure it out then. He'd have to go back and find the brains/body and try again in order to nab the power.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby zquax » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:38 pm UTC

I always thought that Sylar worked like Forge from the X-Men... Forge's power was that he could build anything... super advanced gadgets and weaponry. He has no idea how the stuff he builds works, just that it does. He has no real scientific background, but his power is to instinctively put the right parts in the right place to make them function in the way that he wants.
And so I thought Sylar's powers worked.. he has no real understanding of genetics or biology (at least none that they've shown), but even if he did, I'm sure that even the very top-notched geneticists of today would not be able to alter their own dna as successfully as Sylar does. I think Sylar just goes through the motions of "learning" a new power (eating the brain or whatever), and lets his original power do the rest. Why else would he have not realized that taking candice's power didn't work until after he tried to use it? My guess is that he isn't actively understanding how powers work, but rather is doing it subconsciously. Also, his power seems to give him an instinctive understanding of how to use the powers he absorbs, only struggling slightly with them before mastery.

On a side note: would it not be twistedly awesome if Sylar's power was really Peter's power, but Sylar was so fucked up psycologically, that he convinced himself that he hasnt truly absorbed the power until he's eaten the brain? And he believes it so fiercely that his mind makes it real and doesn't allow him to manifest new powers until he eats them brains... of course that might not explain the watch making mastery... but then again, if I had spent my whole life fixing clocks, I might be better at noticing what a broken watch sounds like than the average person. After all, his father was a watchmaker... don't you think someone who fixes watches for a living would have noticed if his son displayed an unnatural ability at fixing watches? or is it more likely that a father simply taught his son his trade as a young age, causing his son to be very good at what he does by the time he's an adult? Discuss.
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Re: Heroes: Here thar be spoilers (US Edition)

Postby Aleril » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:31 pm UTC

zquax wrote:I always thought that Sylar worked like Forge from the X-Men... Forge's power was that he could build anything... super advanced gadgets and weaponry. He has no idea how the stuff he builds works, just that it does. He has no real scientific background, but his power is to instinctively put the right parts in the right place to make them function in the way that he wants.
And so I thought Sylar's powers worked.. he has no real understanding of genetics or biology (at least none that they've shown), but even if he did, I'm sure that even the very top-notched geneticists of today would not be able to alter their own dna as successfully as Sylar does. I think Sylar just goes through the motions of "learning" a new power (eating the brain or whatever), and lets his original power do the rest. Why else would he have not realized that taking candice's power didn't work until after he tried to use it? My guess is that he isn't actively understanding how powers work, but rather is doing it subconsciously. Also, his power seems to give him an instinctive understanding of how to use the powers he absorbs, only struggling slightly with them before mastery.


He probably could. In fact, I even think that any person, even non-heroes, could steal powers. But Sylar could improve his current power to something like forge.
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