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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Jesse » Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:26 am UTC

GO see this film NOW!. Seriously. Wow.

The best songs were 'Worst Pies In London', 'Epiphany' and 'A Little Priest'.

I seriously put this down as Burton's best film since Nightmare Before Christmas.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Malice » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:57 am UTC

Ed Wood was pretty good, though. Wasn't that after Nightmare?
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Jesse » Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:01 am UTC

I prefer Sweeney Todd to Ed Wood.

Burton films I like:

Nightmare Before Christmas
Sweeney Todd
Ed Wood
Edward Scissorhands

That's pretty much as far as it goes for me. I tend to like his art and style in the other films, but his stories never quite grab me (Corpse Bride and Batman are two good examples of that).

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Kartoffelkopf » Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:20 am UTC

I want to see this film so badly...It's a Burton film, and Depp is in it.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby kwub » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:57 pm UTC

After watching this I knew instantly that it was one of my favorite movies ever. I've been a huge fan of the play ever since I first saw it, and Burton did an absolutely masterful job of transferring it to the big screen. Depp was a surprisingly competent singer, and oh my god his ACTING. Everyone was absolutely incredible in their roles. Helena Bondham Carter is my new favorite Mrs. Lovett, even if her singing voice is a little too weak for a musical. The cinematography was insane, of course (this is Tim Burton we're talking about), and I honestly don't believe there was much room for improvement in any department.
My only real disappointment was the removal of the titular song (at least we got the instrumentals) and Judge Turpin's more character-developing pieces, which I can only hope will be included in the DVD extended edition.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby yellie » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:52 pm UTC

Just got back from watching it. Um, being a huge Sweeney fan, I'd just like to say that I've been waiting to see this film since I first heard they were making it, and as a result my expectations were bordering on ridiculously high.

(Thoughts on the film as they come to me. I guarantee no coherancy.)
It was fantastic.
I really liked how they made Toby a kid; made me feel even more sorry for him.
I have a huge girl-crush on HBC, so while her singing was pretty dodgy, I still adored her.
Johnny Depp was brilliant, and he has the best Oh my God, what is this and why is it touching me expressions on the planet. Entire cinema: *was cracking the fuck up at 'By the Sea'* Although, his portrayal of Todd kind of made me think of Edward Scissorhands (just how awkward he was at times, y'know? Oh, and the razors and the hair etc., obviously)
At some points, it definitely sounded like Depp was fronting some sort of Bowie tribute band.
Anthony annoyed me, although he always did, and Judge and Beadle... Seriously, all I could think was "first chapter of Half-Blood Prince."

Best songs: By The Sea, Epiphany, Worst Pies in London, Nothing's Gonna Harm You and Pirelli's Magical Elixir.

(Anyone else notice Giles-from-Buffy just after Sweeney beat Pirelli? Giddy with nerdy joy, so I was.)

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby JayDee » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:52 pm UTC

yellie wrote:(Anyone else notice Giles-from-Buffy just after Sweeney beat Pirelli? Giddy with nerdy joy, so I was.)
Cool. Not credited, though:
imdb.com wrote:Anthony Head ... Man in street - greets Todd after competition (uncredited) (unconfirmed)


EDIT: Hmm. I thought this film wasn't released down under until next week. Guess where I'm off to now.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:14 am UTC

I tried to see it yesterday, but I left my ID at home, so they wouldn't let me in. Apparently, I look a lot younger than 18.

yellie wrote:Although, his portrayal of Todd kind of made me think of Edward Scissorhands (just how awkward he was at times, y'know? Oh, and the razors and the hair etc., obviously)


This was probably Tim Burton's doing.

yellie wrote:At some points, it definitely sounded like Depp was fronting some sort of Bowie tribute band.


David Bowie is awesome. If anyone wants to pay tribute to him, I say we should let them.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby yellie » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:56 am UTC

JayDee wrote:
yellie wrote:(Anyone else notice Giles-from-Buffy just after Sweeney beat Pirelli? Giddy with nerdy joy, so I was.)
Cool. Not credited, though:
imdb.com wrote:Anthony Head ... Man in street - greets Todd after competition (uncredited) (unconfirmed)


Apparently, he was supposed have a bigger part (singing and all!) but because Johnny Depp's daughter was so ill, they decided to cut a lot of characters out; Giles included. ):

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yellie wrote:At some points, it definitely sounded like Depp was fronting some sort of Bowie tribute band.


David Bowie is awesome. If anyone wants to pay tribute to him, I say we should let them.

Oh, I'm all for paying tribute to Bowie. I was almost dizzy with giddy in that film, what with Giles appearing from NOWHERE and all the Bowie-imitating going on.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Rodan » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:41 am UTC

Kartoffelkopf wrote:I want to see this film so badly...It's a Burton film, and Depp is in it.

Well, that last part kinda goes without saying.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby JayDee » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:50 am UTC

Nice. That was utterly delightful, and not as I expected. A lot more fun, and I wasn't the only one laughing (which is always a relief.)

Depp looked great, but his accent kept reminding me of Jack Sparrow, which was an annoyance. All of the singing was at least good enough.

I was far more excited than I have any right to be at the sight of Johnny Depp and Alan Rickman singing a duet.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby l33t_sas » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:03 am UTC

I went to see it with a bunch of friends and we all loved it.

It almost felt like a Harry Potter death eater musical meet-up to me though xD
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby dubsola » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:04 pm UTC

I watched it on Friday night, and yep - I agree with the majority sentiment. This is a great film.

I *hate* musicals, in general, for the same reason as SecondTalon - the gushy sweet/saccharine vibe. This is not like that, at all, it's real.

yellie wrote:Johnny Depp was brilliant, and he has the best Oh my God, what is this and why is it touching me expressions on the planet. Entire cinema: *was cracking the fuck up at 'By the Sea'* Although, his portrayal of Todd kind of made me think of Edward Scissorhands (just how awkward he was at times, y'know? Oh, and the razors and the hair etc., obviously)
Yes! He was fantastic, as always. He's got a great sourface, and I actually thought his singing was pretty good.

JayDee wrote:I was far more excited than I have any right to be at the sight of Johnny Depp and Alan Rickman singing a duet.
Same, it was beautiful. I want the soundtrack for this. :D

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Jesse » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:05 pm UTC

I have the soundtrack for this.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby kwub » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:26 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:I have the soundtrack for this.


God yes. "A Little Priest" is rapidly ascending the ranks of my iTunes "Most Played" list.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Stief » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:06 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:I have the soundtrack for this.


Same here ^_^ It's mostly Epiphany being played at the moment ^____^
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby JayDee » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:47 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:I have the soundtrack for this.
I want a soundtrack, but I'm not sure whether to get the soundtrack from the film or from some other incarnation of the musical.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Clumpy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:47 pm UTC

It's so odd how making it a traditional musical automatically allows me to ignore the violence. If this movie were more serious and shot like a slasher film some of the stuff there would make me cringe. As it stands it only made me swear off hot dogs for a couple of days.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Clumpy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:48 pm UTC

Yeah, I definitely heard from Jack Sparrow at times. The color part where they're at the beach was pure Edward Scissorhands.

It's funnier how Parker ends up more evil than the subjects of his revenge.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby kwub » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:43 pm UTC

Clumpy wrote:It's funnier how Parker ends up more evil than the subjects of his revenge.


Barker? Does he? I hardly saw has that had anything to with the story.
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Did Sweeney ever send a man to a hellish, rotting prison colony in order to rape his wife? Did he ever lust after a young girl near to the point of rape, and later to the point of locking her in a raving nightmare of a madhouse out of sheer jealous spite? In fact, one might go so far as to say that Benjamin Barker is the least "evil" character within the story, seeing as he holds the greatest justification of all for the majority of his actions.

Sweeney was far from amoral, and the same can be said of his enemies (see the play for further development of Judge Turpin's inner conflict). Every character within the play is a "moralizer," as remarks the title song, each one fully justified in their actions by their own standards. There isn't a single one among them that does not hold values of one sort or another, and the question is merely how much duress it will take to break them. The play is not a tale of good and evil; just the opposite, it is a story of meaninglessness, of nihilism in a sense. Even the "innocent" love of Anthony and Johanna is shown as both ridiculous and pitiful in the cruel face of a harsh reality. Already we begin to see the same breaking of both characters as Anthony is forced into compromise of his values by shooting (murdering) the asylum keeper for the sake of satiated his love (lust) by rescuing (stealing) Johanna. Is even he any better than Turpin in this sense? The film attempted (wrongly so) to downplay Anthony's action by removing the shooting sequence and vilifying the asylum manager, but the point still remains that even "Anthony Hope," the symbol of goodness and purity, is quick to justify the most horrible of crimes for the sake of his own desires. Is he truly so different from Turpin? Are any of us?

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Clumpy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:15 pm UTC

Probably not, and every character in the film is despicable at times.

If it weren't for the fact that Parker ends up randomly slicing up random folks all willy-nilly he'd be more justified, maybe even the hero of the story. Is the emotion of revenge any more noble than the lust of Turpin?

EDIT: Kwub, I understand your point of view, and I agree that within the context of the show, there is no villain and "who" is evil is not the point.
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Postby SecondTalon » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:20 pm UTC

Barker.

Spiderman's in a different film.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Jesse » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:50 pm UTC

So, I finally saw this film properly tonight (Went without my girlfriend, so I could see the pictures on the screen without the distractions inherent in kissings). Wow. I enjoyed it before, and I enjoyed it twice as much when I was able to pay attention to Burton's cinematography. Everything looked gorgeous.

Also, the positioning of 'By The Sea' was spot on, breaking up the darkness and oppressive 'evil' of the film right before the build-up to climax. Stopped it all becoming too much.

Wonderful.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Clumpy » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:55 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Barker.

Spiderman's in a different film.


Geez - all this time I'd confused the demon barber with Uncle Ben from Spider-man :wink: .

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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:29 pm UTC

It's easy to do.

"With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"
"London is a festering hole of shit"

Practically the same catchphrase.
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Postby Clumpy » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:50 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:It's easy to do.

"With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"
"London is a festering hole of shit"

Practically the same catchphrase.


Thanks for making me laugh today :mrgreen: .

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby tzar1990 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:59 pm UTC

I just saw the movie last weekend (I'm in Japan right now, so we get everything late,) and though it was bloody brilliant. The songs seemed to fit, and I loved the By The Sea bit as it seemed to show how foolish the dreams of Ms. Lovett were, while providing some light in one of the darker parts of the movie. Unfortunately, I'm kinda squeamish, so I covered my eyes during the throat-slitting bits, a fairly important part of the movie.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby rrwoods » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:47 pm UTC

tzar1990 wrote:Unfortunately, I'm kinda squeamish, so I covered my eyes during the throat-slitting bits, a fairly important part of the movie.

Same here... but the sound was hilarious and gorgeous.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby davef » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:18 pm UTC

Saw this last weekend. Loved it, loved it, loved it.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Zohar » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:11 pm UTC

Saw it just today.

It was awesome, the music was great and the ambiance. It was also pretty disturbing.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Midnight » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:08 am UTC

Kartoffelkopf wrote:I want to see this film so badly...It's a Burton film, and Depp is in it.

i'm pretty sure those are one and the same nowadays...
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Kendo_Bunny » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:21 pm UTC

I'm waiting for it to come out on DVD, because I had to battle two forces- love for the story of Sweeny Todd and loathing for Johnny Depp. I know nothing about the musical, I just was really into true crime and serial killers when I was 12, and I read all about the Demon Barber. When I heard there was a musical, I was thrilled. When I heard there was going to be a movie, I was overjoyed. When I heard it was going to star Johnny Depp, I was horrified.

My friends have assured me that he's so good in this that I can ignore the fact that he's Johnny Depp and I have an apparently pathological dislike of him. Then again, they've assured me this with 'Pirates of the Caribbean', and they were very wrong. So I figured I'd save myself the money and watch it when my Dad buys it. Here's hoping that he really does do a good job.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Mystify » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:32 am UTC

Kendo_Bunny wrote:My friends have assured me that he's so good in this that I can ignore the fact that he's Johnny Depp and I have an apparently pathological dislike of him. Then again, they've assured me this with 'Pirates of the Caribbean', and they were very wrong.

You can hear some strong similarities between Jack Sparrow's accent and the lower-class London Sweeney Todd accent, and I think that's why people have been comparing the two. Not that I can help you with your pathological dislike. I apparently sold my soul to the suspension of belief devil and I don't see actors, I see characters. I have to see an actor in a whole bunch of stuff before I even really cotton on to the fact that hey, that's actually the same person.

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Postby JayDee » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:51 am UTC

Bump. I borrowed the Original Cast recording of Sweeney Todd from the library, and listened to it a whole bunch over the weekend. Now I'm going to have these songs stuck in my head for ages.

When I saw the Burton film, I walked away fairly unimpressed with the music. A week or so later I started to think about it, and try to remember the words, but I didn't think it anything special. I was certainly happy to see good acting even if it meant mediocre singing.

Having listened to professionals sing it, my opinion of the score itself has changed. Greatly changed. Nice work, Mr Sondheim. I would love to see the show on the stage, someday. But I'm still happy with the casting and the quality of the singing in the movie.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Ati » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:33 am UTC

Saw this a few months ago with a girl (not actually a date, much to my dismay :shock: ).

I was very impressed (I have never seen any of the older plays) many parts of it were quite funny, and I was chuckling through most of it (aforementioned companion kept her hands over her eyes for many of the same parts). The singing was tolerable, the acting was quite good, especially Depp's facial expressions. Generally, I think at some level it messed with my expectations: funny songs put me in one state of mind, and throat slitting in quite another. Consequently, my head was a little muddled until I found the right attitude of fatalism to approach it with. This sort of thing is probably healthy. Then again, I'm not generally bothered by horror movies to very much, so it may have been easier for me to appreciate the humor.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby schmiggen » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:53 am UTC

I was so excited about this movie after I saw it the first time that I wouldn't stop bugging my mom/brother about it until they finally gave in and went to see it with me (I wanted them to see it in a theater). Afterwards, my brother basically had that impressed grin that means he liked what he saw, but my mom was sort of distantly regarding me, as if there were something wrong with me, or like I was a different person from what she'd thought, before. She just couldn't understand why I would want to see a movie like this again; apparently, there wasn't even a single part of it that she enjoyed, and is even now only partly softened to the idea that it might be enjoyable. I don't know what she thought about me. It was really weird, because usually my mom is among the few people who I can actually get excited with about cool things like this, and carry on meaningful/deep discussions, etc.

Wish I had the soundtrack, too (so far I've been listening to it through on youtube -- someone put up the whole soundtrack as a playlist, and i might have to just rip it from youtube :P).
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby titanicdaze » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:39 pm UTC

AbNo wrote:
Aleril wrote:Am I am the only one getting sick of this? The fact that its gotten rave reviews, a lot of people say its good, and it has a great cast doesn't seem to outweigh the fact that its a musical!?

I mean, who really cares if its a musical? Its a great movie. See it. Stop. being. ignorant.


I'm not being ignorant. I'm being cognizant of the fact I don't much care for musicals. :mrgreen:

I'm also not pleased with the fact they are trying to portray it as something it is not. (A psychological-type thriller when it's a musical)

I've been burned by movies in that manner before, and I'm not too thrilled about it almost occuring again.


If you haven't tried Sondheim and you're crossing all musicals off your list then you're crossing an entire cinematic form off your list based upon a woefully-incomplete definition of said form. I thought musicals were all about Rodgers & Hammerstein until I saw A Little Night Music and Sunday in the Park With George on Live At Lincoln Center on PBS. Mandy "Inigo Montoya" Patinkin plays Georges Seurat in Sunday, and the fact that he's showing off his ability to dance and sing doesn't take away from the fact that he's working with an amazing book & music from the only man (Sondheim) who's ever been able to make me able to sit through an entire performance by Bernadette Peters without wanting to chunk out my eardrums with the earrings I was wearing at the time. I actually loved her as Seurat's muse. LOVED. Bernadette. Peters.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Kendo_Bunny » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:30 pm UTC

I saw the movie two nights ago and wasn't terribly impressed. It wasn't bad, it was entertaining, but I didn't see it as something to write home about. I'll probably never watch the film again (though I wouldn't mind seeing it on stage), but on the bright side, I found Johnny Depp less loathesome then I normally do. I think it's because there was no struggle to like his character- you weren't supposed to like him, so I didn't have that internal struggle over it.

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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby Vaniver » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:56 am UTC

I saw this a week ago. It was good, but not that great; my general dislike of gore didn't help, nor did the fact that it was actors singing a musical (Depp's voice is actually nice, but he had no power). I loved the way they did By The Sea.
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Re: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

Postby lonelynocturnal » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:04 am UTC

I saw it on Broadway last year, and it was awesome. Then I saw it in the theater, and I was underwhelmed.


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