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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Zohar » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:42 am UTC

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I liked it, it was cool I suppose, although the Dany-Tyrion was much more interesting, to me, than the war things.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:25 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
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I believe the gyst is that the Targaryeans became the powerful dynasty because they mastered... somethingsomethingDragons... and used this to unite the families against the White Walkers in the past.

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There is definitely some connection between dragons, valyrian steel, and the Others but it is not at all clear what it is exactly. Your timeline is way off though. The last fight against the Others and the building of The Wall happened at least 3000 years ago. The Andals (basically most people in Westeros who are not from the North or Dorne) showed up about 2000 years ago bringing the Faith of the Seven with them. The Rhoynar (now Dornish) showed up about 1000 years ago. The Targaryens and their dragons didn't show up in Westeros until 300 years ago shortly and were the first to actually conquer/unite the whole continent. Basically, the Others are something from the oldest legends of the Northeners and the people in the South don't even know of them through legends and myths. It is also interesting that the only religions which seem to have any knowledge of this threat are the Weirwood trees and the Lord of Light when Melissandre and his teachings come from the extreme opposite side of the world (from The Wall).


The episode was pretty cool and very different from the others in the season so far.
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Having these more standard fantasy elements like evil enemies, CGI, zombies and war actually feels... kind of wrong? It was well done but so much of this show is based on personal drama and subtle character development that an extended fight against clearly evil opponents just feels out of place. It is cool to see Jon's and Dany's storylines finally picking up some speed and building a sense of urgency.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:31 am UTC

I KNEW I recognized Karsi (the female Wildling elder) from somewhere. It's from Borgen, I love her!

Too bad they killed her off :*(
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby PolakoVoador » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:36 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:I KNEW I recognized Karsi (the female Wildling elder) from somewhere. It's from Borgen, I love her!

Too bad they killed her off :*(


Maybe that should be in spoilers?

Anyway,
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I knew she wasn't going to make it when they focused so much on her being separated from her kids.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby ArgonV » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:59 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:
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The episode was pretty cool and very different from the others in the season so far. [spoiler]Having these more standard fantasy elements like evil enemies, CGI, zombies and war actually feels... kind of wrong? It was well done but so much of this show is based on personal drama and subtle character development that an extended fight against clearly evil opponents just feels out of place. It is cool to see Jon's and Dany's storylines finally picking up some speed and building a sense of urgency.


I'm guessing that's the point.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:56 am UTC

Crappy Meme time.

(Spoilers for Season 5, Episode 8)
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Well... I laughed. Hope yall enjoy.
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Postby SlyReaper » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:32 pm UTC

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Postby Jave D » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:11 pm UTC

Okay that was pretty badass.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Christo » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:11 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:
Lucrece wrote:
Too bad they killed her off :*(


Maybe that should be in spoilers?

Anyway,
Spoiler:
I knew she wasn't going to make it when they focused so much on her being separated from her kids.


Yeah, but it's Game of Thrones. It could have just as easily been her kids that died.
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Postby Christo » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:38 pm UTC

I want to make this a new thread, but not sure if it's distinct enough. A friend of mine and I created a Game of Thrones: Deadpool--i.e. we created some simple rules and made bets on who's going to die before the end of the season. We came up with pretty simple rules. We just created a list of about 36 characters, then went back and forth choosing victims, like captains in a game of pick-up Ultimate. Whoever picks more characters who die by the end of the series, wins.

We thought about adding layers of complexity, like naming who kills them for extra points or also choosing people we felt certain would live. And it was surprisingly fun bantering back and forth, making wild asses guesses about who's going to die and how. For example, "Reek's going to finally kill Ramsey Bolton, only to be killed by Brienne who arrives to save Sansa." That sort of thing. Ultimately, we stuck with the simple rules.

Anyone else tried this?
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:12 am UTC

Christo wrote:Yeah, but it's Game of Thrones. It could have just as easily been her kids that died.

Very minor book spoiler:
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I was sure that was leading up to the "dead things in the water" and the boats would get attacked by something. Underwater wights? Wight Kraken?
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:35 am UTC

Stannis the Mannis turned into Stannis the Menace this episode. :cry: :cry:

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I figured the kid would die. But I thought Stannis would defend her a bit more than how it happened. From sending Davos away and having his men kill her instead of Stannis owning up to the act himself...

Although, that does help quantify a difference between Stannis and say... the Starks (John Snow actually). Where every death needs to come at the hands of the king himself. Stannis distances himself from the act to make it easier on himself, and it is a good foil against John Snow, Rob Stark, and Ned Stark.
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Postby Lazar » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:38 am UTC

Ohhh shit. (Also, ninja'ed.)

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Yep, so they burned Shireen. It was widely speculated and foreshadowed, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise, but I think a lot of Stannis fans were in denial about it. D&D said in the Inside the Episode segment that George told them about the burning, but it's not totally clear what he told them about Stannis's agency. (One fan theory is that Melisandre and Selyse will burn Shireen at Castle Black without Stannis's knowledge.) The progression of this storyline did seem a little… abrupt, and I anticipate that like most things, it will be better fleshed out in the books. Regardless, this strengthens my suspicion that Stannis will not survive the endgame of the series. He might even sit the Iron Throne – and I hope he does, because it'll be interesting to see – but my sense of storytelling logic tells me that he's not going to "win" after doing this.

Also, I'm curious about Davos's trajectory now. He seemed to anticipate what was going to happen, but I don't know whether he can remain loyal to Stannis after that. Will he remain as Hand, will he rebel against Stannis, or will he go to Skagos like in the books?

As for Daznak's Pit, I thought it was executed well. The Unsullied have been chronically disappointing in combat this season, but whatevs – chalk it up to the Worf effect. Some people have been complaining about the special effects of Dany's dragon ride, but I thought they looked fine.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:58 am UTC

Guess this makes people less bothered if Stannis doesn't end up with the throne. If anything disgusted me this season -- or, hell, out of all seasons-- this episode has done it by far.

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The miller's boy for example killed by Sandor in the first season we didn't know that closely, and Shereen was one of those beacons of light in the series horribly snuffed out. I hope that with burning her alive, what's to come to the Boltons is equally potent.

At least Selyse, who seemed to be the more unloving parent, seemed to come out of this as the one parent who actually woke up, even if too late, and affirmed her love over some nebulous game.


Stormborn for the win though. Dany may be shown as a naive ruler, but Tyrion can help with that. Team Stormborn all the way.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:00 pm UTC

Spoiler:
I felt the end was a little too 'You guys good? I'm cool, we're cool right? Aight, peace bitches I'm out on my dragon' and then everyone else was sort of surrounded by the Sons of Harpy and were like 'Uh, laterz?'

Tyrion is so witty... I think I just want a show that's him and Dany fighting crime. When he saved Dany's cute translator friend my viewing circle shouted 'Go Tyrion!'

Arya's storyline got pretty tough in the brothel.

And the obvious - Oh Stannis, you fuckhead... While I'm curious to see what the Lord of Light does with this, I wager this means there's a mighty commupence commupencing.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby SlyReaper » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:47 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:
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As for Daznak's Pit, I thought it was executed well. The Unsullied have been chronically disappointing in combat this season, but whatevs – chalk it up to the Worf effect. Some people have been complaining about the special effects of Dany's dragon ride, but I thought they looked fine.


Spoiler:
They're trained to march across battlefields, in formation, slaying anything that gets in their way. They have always been poorly equipped to deal with policing a city with narrow alleys, and where their enemies don't wear uniforms until they've got you cornered.

Seriously didn't see Shireen's death coming. I thought they'd tie her to the post, and then Daddy Dearest would snap out of it, and charge into the fire to rescue her. But this is Game of Fucking Thrones, I should have known better.

Loved the ending. Everyone's favourite child-roasting dragon comes to the rescue! Well, Dany's rescue anyway. I guess everyone else can go twist.
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Postby roband » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:03 pm UTC

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Drogon was too small. I'm fairly certain the spears shouldn't have stuck in him, or bothered him as they did.

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Postby Adam H » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:17 pm UTC

Episode 9:
Spoiler:
Well, I think Stannis is very likely to win the upcoming battle against the Boltons now. Melisandre has proven powerful when given what she wants.

This seems like it's setting up Stannis to take control of the North and be a major contender for the Iron Throne.


Predictions for episode 10 based on my book knowledge and the E10 trailer (major spoilers):
Spoiler:
Storylines, in order of probability they are included in the episode:
1) Jon's stabbing
2) Cersei's walk of shame
3) Arya kills Meryn Trant
4) Dany meets up with Dothraki
5) Tyrion survives... somehow... (and I'd guess he takes regency of Meereen but I don't see how)
5) Sansa escapes and/or Stannis attacks Winterfell.
6) Jaime/Myrcella ambushed on road to King's Landing
7) Davos/Rickon meet-cute?!?
8) Lady Stoneheart?!?

I'm forgetting some major characters, aren't I... oh well.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby freezeblade » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:41 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:Episode 9:
Spoiler:
Well, I think Stannis is very likely to win the upcoming battle against the Boltons now. Melisandre has proven powerful when given what she wants.

This seems like it's setting up Stannis to take control of the North and be a major contender for the Iron Throne.


Predictions for episode 10 based on my book knowledge and the E10 trailer (major spoilers):
Spoiler:
Storylines, in order of probability they are included in the episode:
1) Jon's stabbing
2) Cersei's walk of shame
3) Arya kills Meryn Trant
4) Dany meets up with Dothraki
5) Tyrion survives... somehow... (and I'd guess he takes regency of Meereen but I don't see how)
5) Sansa escapes and/or Stannis attacks Winterfell.
6) Jaime/Myrcella ambushed on road to King's Landing
7) Davos/Rickon meet-cute?!?
8) Lady Stoneheart?!?

I'm forgetting some major characters, aren't I... oh well.

meta-spoiler and book spoiler:
Spoiler:
8) Lady Stoneheart?!?

The actress that played Catlin was not asked back to reprise a role, so either they aren't going to include it, which I think is more likely (they've left off most of the resurrection stuff so far), or it'll be 100% CGI. (Less likely I think)
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:33 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:Predictions for episode 10 based on my book knowledge and the E10 trailer (major spoilers):
Spoiler:
Storylines, in order of probability they are included in the episode:
1) Jon's stabbing
2) Cersei's walk of shame
3) Arya kills Meryn Trant
4) Dany meets up with Dothraki
5) Tyrion survives... somehow... (and I'd guess he takes regency of Meereen but I don't see how)
5) Sansa escapes and/or Stannis attacks Winterfell.
6) Jaime/Myrcella ambushed on road to King's Landing
7) Davos/Rickon meet-cute?!?
8) Lady Stoneheart?!?

I'm forgetting some major characters, aren't I... oh well.

Ridiculously major spoilers:
Spoiler:
I'm not convinced the Walk of Shame is coming but 1, 3 and 4 are definitely happening next episode.
I would really like to think we get the John assassination and then the final scene of the season is the LSH reveal.
I think wonder whether they can cram in Kevan returning, getting Cersei released until the trial and getting killed by Varis in a single episode. Seems unlikely and Cersei definitely can't get released until Kevan takes up as Hand.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Chen » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:51 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:Ridiculously major spoilers:
Spoiler:
I'm not convinced the Walk of Shame is coming but 1, 3 and 4 are definitely happening next episode.
I would really like to think we get the John assassination and then the final scene of the season is the LSH reveal.
I think wonder whether they can cram in Kevan returning, getting Cersei released until the trial and getting killed by Varis in a single episode. Seems unlikely and Cersei definitely can't get released until Kevan takes up as Hand.


Continuing on the big spoilers
Spoiler:
I think it'll have to be someone else who kills Kevan, if at all. Varys is nowhere near King's Landing and probably won't be going back there, unlike in the books where he never left.

I also wonder if Jon's whole storyline means we're going to find out what happens to him on the show before we do in the books. I somehow don't think Martin will release another one before next season, though maybe I'm wrong there

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Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:43 pm UTC

Chen wrote:Continuing on the big spoilers
Spoiler:
I think it'll have to be someone else who kills Kevan, if at all. Varys is nowhere near King's Landing and probably won't be going back there, unlike in the books where he never left.

I also wonder if Jon's whole storyline means we're going to find out what happens to him on the show before we do in the books. I somehow don't think Martin will release another one before next season, though maybe I'm wrong there

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Well, Varys was halfway to Mereen when Tyrion got kidnapped and Tyrion's been in Mereen for the last three episodes. If Littlefinger can go from the Vale to Winterfell to King's Landing in three episodes, I doubt we'd have any trouble getting Varys to come back in time. Still, it probably won't be this season because we first need to learn who Kevan is and what he is trying to do before the Varys return can make sense. I suppose Cersei's march of shame might end with her reaching the supposed safety of her home only to be greeted by Kevan and Olenna who are now firmly in control of the Red Keep.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is a confirmed release date on TWoW before next season airs and getting the book in under 10 months would be extremely unlikely as GRRM is still writing.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lazar » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:24 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm not convinced the Walk of Shame is coming but 1, 3 and 4 are definitely happening next episode.
I would really like to think we get the John assassination and then the final scene of the season is the LSH reveal.

Ep. 10 spoilers:

Spoiler:
We know the Walk of Shame is happening; pictures of the shoot were disseminated several months ago. As for LSH, we don't know with certainty that she won't be included, but I'd say it's extremely unlikely. There's been no indication of Michelle Fairley having any continued involvement with the show, Alex Graves was very dismissive of the character when asked about her last year, and no establishing work has been done this season with regard to Beric or Thoros. And I think that if – as seems likely – Jon is going to be saved or revived by supernatural means, then LSH becomes even less plausible. In the dramatically constrained context of the show, the revival of two dead characters in such proximity would seem cheap.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is a confirmed release date on TWoW before next season airs and getting the book in under 10 months would be extremely unlikely as GRRM is still writing.

GRRM's intention is to have it published before Season 6.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:38 am UTC

Lazar wrote:
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We know the Walk of Shame is happening; pictures of the shoot were disseminated several months ago. As for LSH, we don't know with certainty that she won't be included, but I'd say it's extremely unlikely. There's been no indication of Michelle Fairley having any continued involvement with the show, Alex Graves was very dismissive of the character when asked about her last year, and no establishing work has been done this season with regard to Beric or Thoros. And I think that if – as seems likely – Jon is going to be saved or revived by supernatural means, then LSH becomes even less plausible. In the dramatically constrained context of the show, the revival of two dead characters in such proximity would seem cheap.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is a confirmed release date on TWoW before next season airs and getting the book in under 10 months would be extremely unlikely as GRRM is still writing.

GRRM's intention is to have it published before Season 6.

Spoiler:
Right, I'd forgotten there were news stories from back when they were actually shooting the Walk of Shame. I still think Cersei can't possibly be released before Kevan becomes Hand. Maybe that wll be the one useful thing Tommen (urged by Olenna?) does this season.

As for LSH, it makes prefect sense to me. Right after "For the Watch!" we get the season's final scene which is usually something related to magic. It could be a lot of things but LSH is the best thematic fit for me. I agree that they are extremely unlikely to include LSH at this point but I still have some hope.


GRRM has been too optimistic about release dates on many occasions. I am very sceptical about a release before next season but we can only wait and see.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Adam H » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:23 pm UTC

Guess what this is the last episode before show watchers are caught up probably! No more book spoilers! (Sort of)

Book5 / episode 10:
Spoiler:
I agree with maybeagnostic, it makes a ton of thematic sense to show LSH after the events on the wall because it foreshadows the resurrection that we all know is going happen in book/season 6. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:33 pm UTC

Since the show is now diverging heavily from the books, can we not talk about the books in here, ever, so I stop getting reports about unlabeled book spoilers from people who want to read it at a later time?

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Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:29 am UTC

Game of Thrones: Harsh Realities. Season 5 Episode 10 has to be the "harshest" towards the characters ever. But as Game of Thrones always does it... the progression was logical. In some of the cases, there was a strong sense of poetic justice... which is a welcome change. I guess if you kill enough characters, some of the deaths will seem appropriate or "justified"...

Spoiler:
* Arya losing her vision progressed very naturally. It was clear that she was straying from the mission, and some punishment was going to be had. Arya losing her vision might betemporarily?? Its Game of Thrones though... probably permanent...

* Stannis Baratheon losing everything felt good after he butchered his daughter last episode. I totally didn't expect it though. I guess his daughter didn't "count" as king's blood. Or Melisandre is absolutely terrible at this whole seeing the future business (which is what I expected this whole time...). Melisandre's visions have never really been tested thus-far, although her powers as a sorceress / mage of some sort are clear. I honestly thought he'd do well in the battle. It was nice to see Brianne deliver the final blow, but Brianne missing out on Sansa's signal looks like it will have consequences.

* Theon and Sansa killing... erm... the chick... and GTFOing from Winterfell is interesting. "Team Pathetic" for the win? Lets see if they manage to do anything next season.

* Myrcella Lannister dying progressed naturally from the whole Dorne deal. It was clear that she was a target the whole time. I'm curious as to how things will progress from here on out.

* Walk of Shame was kinda funny actually. The bell lady yelling "shame" made my group laugh out loud the whole damn time. Kinda bad, I know. Still, good to see that the Mountain is a Zombie-Knight now, I've been waiting for that.

* John Snow's death seems a bit absurd, since the Night's Watch could have just locked him out (with all of the wildlings) if they really cared to mutiny him. Besides that, the mutiny seems to logically progress from the growing discontent of his men.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Lucrece » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:55 am UTC

I'm confused at the Stannis bit.

Spoiler:
For one, in winds of winter, Theon is at his mercy and Yara is in the position of arguing for his life. It now seems the entire Greyjoy storyline has been altered.

Moreover, while it's nice and all to set up a Shereen sacrifice in order to make ruining Stannis more palatable to the viewer, up to this point Melisandre's magic has most certainly worked. She assassinated an opponent king by shadow magic, has burned countless people beforehand, and NOW people choose to abandon the campaign and doom the other half to slaughter? Over a burnt child? More atrocities have happened, and the battle of Blackwater should have been a turning point of loyalty if anything.

It's also kind of silly to sit Melisandre alone at the Wall with Davos with Jon Snow dead and Melisandre having no interaction with him beforehand. It seems like the TV show killed him for good. In the books Davos had even attempted to kill Melisandre and had to run away from Stannis. It just seems like a wasteful way to handle the Stannis storyline.


The Dorne storyline seems too neatly carried out.

Spoiler:
I mean, Ellaria just poisoned the princess, when the prince was in the same ship she went on. Jaime will murder the prince if anything, and Ellaria signed her own death warrant if Dorne finds out. The Sand Snakes are also not sent over to the council.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Tirian » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:50 am UTC

Spoiler:
Stannis: I think you're right that Stannis' regular army is used to atrocities. But this was the first time that the sellswords saw it, and they voted with their feet.

John Snow: I really doubt he's dead for good. The R+L=J theory has always been sensible, and the TV show reminded us of that backstory during this season. I think that Melisandre's vision of seeing herself walking the battlements of Winterfell with Bolton banners burning was true, but that she wrongly assumed that Stannis was going to be the head of the army that reclaimed it. And John Snow's watch has ended, so he would be free to lead it.

Dorne: Ellaria seems to want the world to burn. If Trystane was killed in revenge, that would suit her just fine. It is odd that she was so hamfisted about the assassination, since Bronn was so recently acquainted with The Long Farewell.

Walk of Shame: I was most surprised that the storyline forgot about Margery and Loras. I also can't imagine who pitched to Tommen that he should name the shambling revenant of Gregor Clegane's corpse to the Kingsguard in his mother's absence.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Chen » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:14 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:
Spoiler:
Stannis: I think you're right that Stannis' regular army is used to atrocities. But this was the first time that the sellswords saw it, and they voted with their feet.

John Snow: I really doubt he's dead for good. The R+L=J theory has always been sensible, and the TV show reminded us of that backstory during this season. I think that Melisandre's vision of seeing herself walking the battlements of Winterfell with Bolton banners burning was true, but that she wrongly assumed that Stannis was going to be the head of the army that reclaimed it. And John Snow's watch has ended, so he would be free to lead it.

Walk of Shame: I was most surprised that the storyline forgot about Margery and Loras.


Spoiler:
There was an article with Kit Harrington and it seems he is dead for good. At least that's what he's telling people.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/ga ... -interview

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Postby Tirian » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:42 pm UTC

Spoiler:
It's not like Kitt Harrington would tell Entertainment Weekly, "Yeah, the most emotional scene of the most emotional episode of the season? Big fake-out, I'm signed for the next two seasons. Getting a raise too!" I'm sure the truth of whether he actually misses filming the next season will be out sooner or later.

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Postby Chen » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:15 pm UTC

Spoiler:
I would have expected a bit more evasion or at least some "I don't know, anything can happen in Game of Thrones" rather than a final, "Nope I'm done" even elaborating at details on how the directors told him and such.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Diadem » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:17 pm UTC

Apparently I can't even look at the Google news main page any more without being spoilered. Luckily it was about an event I already strongly suspected was coming, but still.

Oh well, 2ish more hours and I'm home. Then I can watch the final.
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Postby ArgonV » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:43 pm UTC

There was a lot of ambiguity in a lot of scenes

Spoiler:
Did Brienne kill Stannis or did she capture him? We never actually saw her kill him.
Did Theon and Sansa commit suicide, or did they slide down the wall/jump down and land in enough snow (even though it was melting).
I suspect Myrcella is actually dead, but you never know. Maybe Tristane has an antidote on him, Doran seems very careful and suspicious of everyone.
Were the Dothraki attempting to attack Daenarys or were they greeting her?
I refuse to believe Jon will stay dead. Very suspicious Melisandre is returning to castle Black right before that moment.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:40 pm UTC

So, the Season 6 premiere was last night. My take on it (episode spoilers):

Spoiler:
Overall, it was a solid episode. It's fairly consistent with other premieres in not being too action-heavy, but mostly in establishing the arcs for the coming season. The vignettes for each plotline were quite short, the longest being maybe 5 minutes, so there wasn't a whole lot that happened in any given story, but there was still some good stuff that happened.

I was quite pleased that they didn't resolve many of the major cliffhangers in Season 5 immediately, but obviously intend to let them stew for a little while. Considering the constraints of time that they were dealing with, I think it would have felt somewhat cheap, if par for the course in television. The only scenes that felt a little off for me were the Dornish subplot, which, incidentally, are the only ones that seemed to have very abrupt transitions from where Season 5 felt off. I think the show would have flowed a bit better had the coup happened at the end of Season 5. But that's a minor concern on a minor subplot. Dorne has always felt a little out of place in the show, actually. (And is completely unrecognizable compared to the book).

The highlight for me was probably the Sansa/Theon/Brienne/Pod scene (other than that, by any reasonable measure, Theon and Sansa would almost certainly be dead from hypothermia after crossing the river), and I think this is a group of characters with a certain shared history that will make for some interesting dynamics. It is also--shockingly--one of the few times that several disparate plotlines have managed to converge. And if they go to the Wall as Theon was suggesting, this would be a monster convergence. Presumably at some point the series is going to need to start pulling the threads back together, and this is one of the few places that we actually get a glimpse of it.

I am finding myself having a hard time caring about most of the events in Essos. The line from Tyrion of "I guess we're not going to Westeros any time soon" is sadly true. Dany's plot where good characters go to die. I like Tyrion and Varys working together, but part of the problem with the Meereen subplot (especially in the show) is that they don't have anybody to work against. In King's Landing, Tyrion was facing off against Joffrey, Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger, and Pycelle, all formidable in their own ways, with the looming threat of invasions from other established characters from multiple fronts. In Meereen we have... the Sons of the Harpy? With not a single named character from Meereen itself surviving Season 5? Meanwhile, Dany is going back to her Dothraki roots. Yay? At this point, I'm assuming that Dany will show up in King's Landing on the last episode of the series, being like "What happened here? Why is everybody dead? Why is it so cold here? And why are there fucking ice zombies everywhere? Screw this. We're going to hop on the boats and head back to Essos." I know that the books have this problem too, and I'm assuming that they have a plan to somehow bring Dany back to Westeros in time to have her play a productive role in the story there. That's more of a meta complaint about the trajectory than anything else... the individual scenes were fine.

In other news, the show makes a half-hearted attempt to make Ramsey Bolton a more complex and sympathetic character. This works about as well as could be expected.

And, of course, at the end we learn something very interesting about Melissandre. There have been some hints/foreshadowing about something like this from the books. Exactly how this revelation will play out is not entirely clear. I'm honestly more interested in whether Mel knows/thinks about Stannis' defeat (she left before it happened, but news travels at the speed of plot), the death of Shireen, etc. as well as what Davos thinks of these developments and Mel's role in them. Actually, given that Davos didn't mention Stannis at all this episode, I'm guessing he doesn't know yet. Presumably Mel knows (or has foreseen) what happened to Stannis, which has largely precipitated her crisis of faith.

Who's missing? Bran and Sam didn't make appearances. Rickon too, of course. Is Littlefinger still in King's Landing? I think most of the other major plots were at least touched on.

So overall... Wall and North--great. Arya--great. King's Landing--okay. Essos stuff and Dorne--meh.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:54 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
Spoiler:
I am finding myself having a hard time caring about most of the events in Essos. The line from Tyrion of "I guess we're not going to Westeros any time soon" is sadly true. Dany's plot where good characters go to die. I like Tyrion and Varys working together, but part of the problem with the Meereen subplot (especially in the show) is that they don't have anybody to work against. In King's Landing, Tyrion was facing off against Joffrey, Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger, and Pycelle, all formidable in their own ways, with the looming threat of invasions from other established characters from multiple fronts. In Meereen we have... the Sons of the Harpy? With not a single named character from Meereen itself surviving Season 5?


Spoiler:
I have seen a very good plotline from a not-well-known anime pull this off actually. The reason there's no "villain" is not because there isn't one, but because the characters at that location are too ignorant to recognize the enemy. Solving the mystery requires exploring the story, which will likely take place over several episodes. A simple "whodunit" to solve the whole plotline would be perfectly fine from my perspective. I always love it when plots go in that particular direction.

Dany has very little reason to trust even her own group. They are spies, betrayers, and barbarians. Anyone could be working against Dany as the leader of the "Sons of Harpies" and resolve the mystery. On the other hand, if the plotline goes towards a different direction (ie: not a whodunit), it can serve as an excellent... but slow... development of a greater villain that the characters will have to face.

From my perspective, Danny's plot is finally offering intrigue and mystery. Beforehand, Danny was just too stupid and dense to even move in this direcction.


Another note.

Spoiler:
Hizdahr zo Loraq could be playing a long-term Failure Gambit, or other kind of Gambit-trope with his death at the hands of the Sons of Harpy.

For example: Loraq knew he had a chance of death at the slave-gladiator rebellion... but if he's already chosen a successor (or perhaps if the Sons of Harpy are autonomous / decentralized enough), his death would only be a minor inconvenience for the cult. He can rest assured that his death will benefit his cause.

Or... perhaps its a Xanatos Gambit and Hizdahr believes his cause is going to win whether or not he's still alive.


In any case, I'm not an award-winning writer or anything. Just some thoughts on how I'd bring everything together. GRRM probably has other ideas however.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:35 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Spoiler:
I am finding myself having a hard time caring about most of the events in Essos. The line from Tyrion of "I guess we're not going to Westeros any time soon" is sadly true. Dany's plot where good characters go to die. I like Tyrion and Varys working together, but part of the problem with the Meereen subplot (especially in the show) is that they don't have anybody to work against. In King's Landing, Tyrion was facing off against Joffrey, Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger, and Pycelle, all formidable in their own ways, with the looming threat of invasions from other established characters from multiple fronts. In Meereen we have... the Sons of the Harpy? With not a single named character from Meereen itself surviving Season 5?


Spoiler:
I have seen a very good plotline from a not-well-known anime pull this off actually. The reason there's no "villain" is not because there isn't one, but because the characters at that location are too ignorant to recognize the enemy. Solving the mystery requires exploring the story, which will likely take place over several episodes. A simple "whodunit" to solve the whole plotline would be perfectly fine from my perspective. I always love it when plots go in that particular direction.

Dany has very little reason to trust even her own group. They are spies, betrayers, and barbarians. Anyone could be working against Dany as the leader of the "Sons of Harpies" and resolve the mystery. On the other hand, if the plotline goes towards a different direction (ie: not a whodunit), it can serve as an excellent... but slow... development of a greater villain that the characters will have to face.

From my perspective, Danny's plot is finally offering intrigue and mystery. Beforehand, Danny was just too stupid and dense to even move in this direcction.


Spoiler:
I think this possibility was better explored in the books than the show. In the books, there are a number of other minor characters popping in and out of the Meereen scenes at various points from the very beginning of the arc, but because Dany, Ser Barristan, and another POV character who didn't make it into the show aren't really picking up on how they're being manipulated, you have to tease out what's actually going on from their unreliable narration. There's enough contextual clues to figure out what's actually going on, but it's quite subtle. This works quite well (although on first reading, you'll probably miss all of it). The problem is that the show has cut out all of the minor characters in Meereen at this point. Unless they introduce a whole bunch of new characters into that plot, conservation of detail pretty much assures that whomever they introduce is almost invariably the person responsible.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Flumble » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:56 pm UTC

Re: the last scene of s06e01
Spoiler:
My immediate reaction when the old face became visible was "Aha! So she's the other Targaryen!" because, like Aemon, she's tremendously old, has pale white hair and is at Castle Black, and the Targaryens are a mythical and supernatural house in general.
But when I mentioned that to flatmates, it appears the thought hadn't crossed their mind.
Was the reveal that subtle? Am I too quick to make such a conclusion?

Also regarding the whole episode, I would've liked some more progression. It felt like most of the episode was mourning and showing the same stuff we saw last episode (to be fair, most people haven't seen any GoT for a full year and can use some refreshing, while I watched the whole series a few months ago).

I have mixed feelings about Sanza and Theon surviving. Its's nice to have them escape, but I've grown accustomed to main characters living and dying shitty. And it means Peter hasn't lost everything, which reduces his "dynamic" (probably a devastating rampage in King's Land(d|t)ing.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Zohar » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:02 pm UTC

I was mostly meh towards the episode - I really feel with so many plot lines (I counted 11 or so), they have to devote every episode to only four stories or so at most, otherwise... nothing really happens. Or alternatively, only actual things happen, and we don't get any exploration and conversations.

Regarding the end of the episode:
Spoiler:
Meh? So Melisandre can do more magic? What's new and exciting about that? How is that any sort of interesting reveal?
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:58 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
Spoiler:
Meh? So Melisandre can do more magic? What's new and exciting about that? How is that any sort of interesting reveal?


Spoiler:
Melisandre looked like the (relatively) younger version the entire show. If she looks like that "for real", it means she was able to use magic before the dragons awoke in season 1... although I don't quite remember if Melisandre made an appearance in book 1 or season 1.
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