Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Wed May 22, 2019 4:21 pm UTC

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The lord of House Stark took the Iron Throne and in the very same breath the Starks declared independence from him. Do you not see how absurd that is?

There are a lot of seeds in the early seasons for why independence for the North will ultimately be a good idea but they didn't want it during Robert's Rebellion or Ned's life and Robb being declared King in the North was a political blunder. Jon also saw that a strong central power is actually beneficial to the North which was then amply demonstrated to everyone when Dany came to help with the White Walkers. Everyone in the South House Stark had any ill will towards is dead and they have the unanimous support of everyone to take control of the whole country and political "genius" Sansa decides to secede but everyone else still supports Bran?!? Sorry, it just doesn't make a lick of sense. It is not even in the top 20 of worst things that don't make sense in the last four episodes but that doesn't make it a well executed arc.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby arbiteroftruth » Wed May 22, 2019 4:30 pm UTC

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If it were as simple as "the Starks control the throne", I'd agree. But they made it pretty clear that the throne is no longer hereditary. Sure, it's a Stark *this* generation, but who's the next monarch gonna be? Someone chosen by the lords and ladies of Westeros, and the North has no love for the idea of having their rulers chosen by outsiders.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Mon May 27, 2019 7:52 am UTC

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I mean that's what the last episode pretended like the story had been but it isn't supported by the books or previous seasons of the show. The Starks and North submitted to Targaryen rule without even fighting because nominal independence wasn't really important to them. They spent three hundred years being dutiful but remote vassals that never had much argument with the Iron Throne and even hosted multiple visits by reigning monarchs over the centuries. It took their warden and his heir getting brutally executed for them to rise up in rebellion but even then in solidarity with other kingdoms and with no intention to secede. Rob and Jon being declared Kings in the North weren't some deep drive to declare independence, they were simply acknowledging the fact that they could defend the North but couldn't take the South by force and had no support there. More than anything the North is Westeros' Alaska or Northern Territories- remote, sparsely populated region with self-reliant people that band together to combat the forces of nature, far from central government and out of mind of it most of the time but with no particular drive to separate from said central government.

Sansa had plenty of experience with the court in King's Landing that she might have decided independence is the way forward and worked towards that end but we never got to see that in the show in a convincing way. I am digging in too deep on this front though, her desire and motivations for independence were certainly better established than what happened to Dany, Bran, Arya or Tyrion so she seems to have gotten a decent ending by comparison.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby LaserGuy » Mon May 27, 2019 11:29 pm UTC

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With virtually every major noble family being wiped out or nearly so, it's IMHO surprising that there wasn't more fragmentation of the Seven Kingdoms... there's no particular reason that Dorne or the remains of Highgarden or the Iron Islands or any of the other kingdoms--or even parts of those kingdoms--couldn't have just said @#$% the Seven Kingdoms, we're setting off on our own, be fully justified in doing so, and the Seven Kingdoms likely wouldn't be able to assemble enough of an army to stop them even if they wanted to.

To say nothing of the remarkably large number of surviving Dothraki who have zero interest or concern whatsoever for the fate of the Seven Kingdoms.

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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue May 28, 2019 8:33 am UTC

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Yes, especially since Dorne and the Iron Islands have a well established history of resisting central authority and Bran has literally no army backing him. Interestingly Dorne is probably the only kingdom that has any fighting strength left since every other region must have lost at least half of their military age men in the last few years while Dorne just lost their political leader.
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