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What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby 0range » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:23 am UTC

Has anyone watched this film, or read the book?

A friend of mine recommended it to me, but it seems kinda pseudosciencey.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby JayDee » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:48 am UTC

I've had it recommended to me also. Pseudosciency seems an understatement.

This article on the folks behind it makes me wonder if Nur-Ab-Sal is listed in the credits.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Libertine » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:27 pm UTC

It's horrible. I got through half of it before deleting it. Pseudoscience New Age mysticism, it is not a serious documentary on quantum physics. If you like real science, you will not like this film. They try to pass off mystics as being true scientists. It's the type that starts out with a few facts to get the viewer to take it seriously, then rapidly progresses to crackpot theories with no backing in science.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby aleflamedyud » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:12 pm UTC

Libertine wrote:It's horrible. I got through half of it before deleting it. Pseudoscience New Age mysticism, it is not a serious documentary on quantum physics. If you like real science, you will not like this film. They try to pass off mystics as being true scientists. It's the type that starts out with a few facts to get the viewer to take it seriously, then rapidly progresses to crackpot theories with no backing in science.

Exactly why I tried to drag my family out 1/3 of the way through. This film should have all copies of itself on DVD, VHS, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, and film reel exterminated by Daleks.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Amnesiasoft » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:41 am UTC

My Intro to Psychology teacher was going on about how this was such a great movie. Once we started watching it in class, my attendance declined, significantly.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby zacpol » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:38 am UTC

Basically, anyone who enjoys and/or believes this movie should be euthanized for the benefit of future generations of humanity.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Mr. Beck » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:01 am UTC

I started punching the TV 20 minutes in. Shortly thereafter, Zombie Heisenberg lit my DVD player on fire.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Protagonist » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:44 pm UTC

Sounds kind of like The Secret.

I hate everything like that with a passion.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:36 am UTC

Does The Secret attempt to explain quantum mechanics by someone channeling a several thousand year old Atlantean too?
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Minchandre » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:14 am UTC

Things like this make me wish that more people learned some quantum mechanics. QM isn't all about undead zombie kittens and hideous half particle, half wave hybrid creatures...it's about a lot of differential equation solving, coupled with some annoying complex calculus, and, if you're feeling frisky, matrix methods for computers to solve.

As far as the movie is concerned, I got to the part about the dude with the water vials and the writing words on them, and then had to go pound nails into my eyes. Physics Does Not Work That Way.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Kag » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:00 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Does The Secret attempt to explain quantum mechanics by someone channeling a several thousand year old Atlantean too?


No, it just says, "think about shit, and it'll come to you. So you should probably be thinking about good shit."

People who believe in The Secret might try to rationalize it in completely bass-ackwards ways like that, though.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Protagonist » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:42 pm UTC

Kag wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Does The Secret attempt to explain quantum mechanics by someone channeling a several thousand year old Atlantean too?


No, it just says, "think about shit, and it'll come to you. So you should probably be thinking about good shit."

People who believe in The Secret might try to rationalize it in completely bass-ackwards ways like that, though.

Yeah, they call it the "Law of Attraction" and try to back it up with a bunch of pseudoscience.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:10 am UTC

My Spanish teacher had us watch that. Senior year was interesting.

Minchandre wrote:As far as the movie is concerned, I got to the part about the dude with the water vials and the writing words on them, and then had to go pound nails into my eyes. Physics Does Not Work That Way.
That was my favorite part.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby folkhero » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:22 am UTC

I had a substitute teacher in high school tell us all about this movie and how great it was. We let her keep going because it was a lot more entertaining listening to all of her crazy new-age theories than the busy work our regular teacher had lined up for us. I addition to the thing with the water veils, she had her own original crack pot stories as well, this one time she had a dream about an eagle dropping a feather on her that cured her of some horribly painful condition. At one point her daughter came in the class to ask her for lunch money, this poor girl was horrified when she realized that her mom was telling us all this new-age hokum.
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I felt a little bad for her, but the exchange was just too funny.

In logic, i you believe a contradiction, you should believe anything; this woman was a great example of that. We asked her what her precise theological views were, and we got a laundry list of just about any religion you could think of. She only believed in parts of each of these religions, but its clear that she was willing to believe just about anything that is suggested to her, no matter how much it might contradict something already in her belief system.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby 0range » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:19 am UTC

So.... does it at least have some lesbians or stuff blowing up?

I was redflagged almost immediately when, hearing it was about quantum physics, I remarked that I wished I understood math better than I do; he responded to me that quantum physics wasn't really about math.

Right.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Maseiken » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:30 pm UTC

You people may laugh, but I know for a FACT that Nur-Ab-Sal still has an affect on the world today.
I know because there was that spooky bit in Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis, the P&C adventure game (Also one of lucasarts' greatest triumphs)
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Minchandre » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:12 am UTC

0range wrote:So.... does it at least have some lesbians or stuff blowing up?

I was redflagged almost immediately when, hearing it was about quantum physics, I remarked that I wished I understood math better than I do; he responded to me that quantum physics wasn't really about math.

Right.


Kind of off topic here, but you might want to remind him that quantum physics, like all physics, is simply a mathematical construct that we use to model the universe and, as such, is pretty much only about math (obviously there's some conceptual stuff too, but with a good understanding of the math, a lot of that stuff will fall out pretty easily).

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby folkhero » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:25 am UTC

My understanding of Quantum physics is that it, at least at any serious level, is mostly a matter of solving PDE wave equations over complex values over and over, very much math.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Jorpho » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:40 pm UTC

I'd really like to bash this movie and picket every theatre that dares to show it... but it wouldn't make sense to do so unless I watched it first. And why would I do that?

Is the sequel ("Down the Rabbit Hole") Very Much Worse? Or did they actually learn that Atlantean warriors are something best left off-camera?

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Yuri2356 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:24 pm UTC

zacpol wrote:Basically, anyone who enjoys

Now slow down there buddy. You got a problem with people who enjoy watching stupid folks do stupid things?

So.... does it at least have some lesbians or stuff blowing up?

You do get to see a woman orgasm by franticly drawing on her skin with a sharpee.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby JayDee » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:02 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:Is the sequel ("Down the Rabbit Hole") Very Much Worse?

Is that a sequel? I thought it was just an extended DVD release.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Jorpho » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:36 am UTC

JayDee wrote:
Jorpho wrote:Is the sequel ("Down the Rabbit Hole") Very Much Worse?
Is that a sequel? I thought it was just an extended DVD release.
I really wouldn't know. Maybe it is.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby DarkKnightJared » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:02 am UTC

I remember seeing it, but I don't remember a single thing they were trying to prove in it. In fact, the only thing I remember is the live-action stuff involving the photographer girl in the wedding.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby __Kit » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:49 am UTC

That movie is a real cunt

Look.. I understand that the rule is: If you want to discuss something that's come up before, search the appropriate thread and post it there, don't make a new one. And I'm glad that you took the time to dig this thread up and reply, rather than making a brand new thread about it.

But... that's it? You're dragging a thread up from several pages past for.... this? You can't even go into detail?

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby culled » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:24 pm UTC

__Kit wrote:That movie is a real cunt

No, it's a gosh-darned cunt.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby dwype » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

i find it refreshing that not one person posted something positive about the movie : )

in most forums i've seen this movie discussed, there are at least a few deluded loons trying to argue something or other.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Zohar » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:10 am UTC

dwype wrote:i find it refreshing that not one person posted something positive about the movie : )

in most forums i've seen this movie discussed, there are at least a few deluded loons trying to argue something or other.

BUT IT'S BASED ON PHYSICS!!1!

Anyway, I haven't actually seen all of the movie, just some parts of it. It gets a bit frustrating when people who don't understand science (simply because they don't know enough about it, which is an OK thing) start believing "false science".
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Yakk » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:29 pm UTC

A positive comment: not every statement made in the movie is utterly false!

:)

On the other hand, the movie as a whole is balderdash.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:52 pm UTC

Sure, but that's how people tell believable lies. You put the deception in a Truth Sandwich, and as people keep lining up for them, you can make the truths skimpier and skimpier and the deceptions fatter and fatter until you're basically lying openly and people are rushing to defend you.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Yakk » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:56 pm UTC

That was a wise comment.

Equally wise would be sending me 100$.

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Like that?

But ya, you'd think that going off into the Atlantis deep end would be a sign that maybe they had gone too far. I suspect the docupropoganda would have worked better if it pushed the cult a bit less, and did the cultification step elsewhere. Or do the people who put out things like that really think that talking about the spirits of Atlantians is a reasonable way to get converts?

I suppose it does work.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby TheCitadel » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:36 pm UTC

Libertine wrote:It's horrible. I got through half of it before deleting it. Pseudoscience New Age mysticism, it is not a serious documentary on quantum physics. If you like real science, you will not like this film. They try to pass off mystics as being true scientists. It's the type that starts out with a few facts to get the viewer to take it seriously, then rapidly progresses to crackpot theories with no backing in science.


Seconded. My Philosophy teacher made us watch it a couple of years ago. Many of my classmates started to think science was cool because of what they'd seen on this movie and I spent the whole debate class saying: 'This movie is not science- but science is still cool!' Needless to say, almost nobody believed me :( . True, it has some statements which are real for science, but they are nothing compared to the 'think nice and you'll be healthy' comments. The actress is nice though. I've seen her in other movies.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Zohar » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:27 am UTC

I've been thinking about seeing this movie just so I can tell people "Yes I saw it, here's what I think about it." Otherwise I get a "maybe you should watch the movie before you criticize it?"
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby TheCitadel » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:04 pm UTC

Go ahead. You're right after all. It's just that it felt like such a waste of time... I watched it on YouTube and it seemed to go on forever. It has like extra parts too, I watched the long version only to find out later that what I'd watched was the extended movie. Big disappointment.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby aleflamedyud » Sat May 02, 2009 2:27 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I've been thinking about seeing this movie just so I can tell people "Yes I saw it, here's what I think about it." Otherwise I get a "maybe you should watch the movie before you criticize it?"

No, this one sucks so much it hits "don't waste your time" levels. You could spend your time on more productive things, like internet porn or reasoning with terrorists.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby thistle » Sat May 02, 2009 6:00 pm UTC

My mom made me watch it. She's into that kind of stuff as well as The Secret. This is a little off topic, but I was listening to The Secret for laughs while driving my mother's car and the lady literally said something along the lines of "All you people who are told you have weight problems by your doctors that are beyond your control: Hypothyroid disease, blah blah. It's FALSE. They're negative ideas are what's making you overweight." I told my mother about that statement and she said, "Yeah I have the original version. She got in trouble for that and had to rescind it and make a newer one."

Also, this spoof is almost not a spoof because they're saying things almost verbatim from that shitty movie:

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sat May 02, 2009 6:39 pm UTC

This movie was awesome, almost as funny as Knocked Up.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Jorpho » Mon May 04, 2009 2:34 am UTC

thistle wrote:Also, this spoof is almost not a spoof because they're saying things almost verbatim from that shitty movie:

No kidding? "Organic substructures of carbon" ?

Did the full version of that spoof ever come out, or just a series of trailers? I want to know if they have a woman who suddenly starts speaking in a creepy voice.

On a related note, is Fred "Dr. Quantum" Wolf a fellow whose works should be avoided and shunned? How about Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters ?

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby poxic » Mon May 04, 2009 3:45 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:How about Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters ?

I read that a long while ago, after reading Tao of Physics. It wasn't as good as ToP, but I kind of liked it.

Fair warning: I read both of these books before I had any sort of grounding in physics. They could well be 100% bulltripe. My faint memories of the books suggest that they were, though Dancing Wu Li would have been worse than ToP.
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby thistle » Mon May 04, 2009 3:54 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:No kidding? "Organic substructures of carbon" ?

Did the full version of that spoof ever come out, or just a series of trailers? I want to know if they have a woman who suddenly starts speaking in a creepy voice.

On a related note, is Fred "Dr. Quantum" Wolf a fellow whose works should be avoided and shunned? How about Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters ?


I couldn't find the full version, so I'm guessing it was only ever going to be just a series of trailers judging by the rest of that guy's channel. :?
I would've definitely invested in the whole spoof, though. And when I say 'invested' I'm referring to the time I would've put in to find the torrent or zip file.

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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know?!

Postby Minerva » Wed May 20, 2009 8:39 pm UTC

Well, if you want a movie with a really good, accurate portrayal of physics, relative to What the bleep do we know, there's always this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNO7_BOovI

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