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River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:43 am UTC
by Powerintheverse
To me the answer seems obvious, River is more flexible and skilled with all sorts of weapons, then again it really does depend on what kind of mood she's in, perhaps the sight of a killer robot that looked liker herself would send her into despair. Cameron is hard to kill but her battle tactics are pretty limited to shooting and picking people up and throwing them/pushing them into walls. What do you guys think?

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:59 am UTC
by chameleon
Actually, I think it would be Cameron Phillips simply because she's a robot. River Tam is as hard as nails, but if your opponent won't die, what can you do?

Powerintheverse wrote:Cameron is hard to kill but her battle tactics are pretty limited to shooting and picking people up and throwing them/pushing them into walls.


If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:37 am UTC
by Onomi
chameleon wrote:Actually, I think it would be Cameron Phillips simply because she's a robot. River Tam is as hard as nails, but if your opponent won't die, what can you do?


River Tam seems pretty smart, I'm sure she'd just adapt.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:46 am UTC
by chameleon
Yes that's perhaps true, but then again she's up against a terminator and we all know how they can be.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:14 pm UTC
by BlackSails
River can kill you with her brain.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:40 pm UTC
by Jourdy289
BlackSails wrote:River can kill you with her brain.


Exactly. A Terminator can be stopped.

No power in the [uni]Verse can stop River.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:37 am UTC
by Kulantan
chameleon wrote:
If it isn't broke, don't fix it.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Cameron broken most of the time? So what is actually being asked is:
"Crazy super psychic assassin girl" versus "broken tin can" who would win?
I think we all know the answer to this.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:30 am UTC
by DarkKnightJared
It depends on a key question. Well, two actually.

1. Can River break solid metal?
2. Does River being able to kill people with her brain extend itself to robots?

Also--screw Bruce Schneier, we need River Tam Facts.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:08 pm UTC
by jadewang
DarkKnightJared wrote:2. Does River being able to kill people with her brain extend itself to robots?


After all, there is nothing that doesn't come naturally to River as breathing does to the rest of us. So yes, she must be able to hack a machine. The girl can obviously fly a spaceship.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:35 pm UTC
by Yubtzock
jadewang wrote:
DarkKnightJared wrote:2. Does River being able to kill people with her brain extend itself to robots?
After all, there is nothing that doesn't come naturally to River as breathing does to the rest of us. So yes, she must be able to hack a machine. The girl can obviously fly a spaceship.

She probably downloaded Wash' mind and ability to pilot a spaceship, so downloading robot's mind and finding logical paradox which would kill it shouldn't be a problem.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:53 am UTC
by thatblackguy
Incidentally I find it hilarious her last name in the show is Philips. River for the win, we've all seen where large heavily armored slow moving objects vs limber quick thinking agile opponents

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:47 am UTC
by SummerGlauFan
jadewang wrote:
DarkKnightJared wrote:2. Does River being able to kill people with her brain extend itself to robots?


After all, there is nothing that doesn't come naturally to River as breathing does to the rest of us. So yes, she must be able to hack a machine. The girl can obviously fly a spaceship.


Necro, I know, but...

Cameron was already hacked by a bunch of glorified resistance fighters. I'm pretty sure a super-genius like River would be able to do so.

Which means, now River has Cameron as her friend. A physically perfect super-genius assassin girl with unknown psionic abilities PLUS a killing machine?

To quote Zapp Brannigan from Futurama: "Now that's one wave of destruction that's easy on the eyes."

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:19 pm UTC
by Cup of Dirt
The OP wrote:River Tam VS Cameron Phillips


I'll be in my bunk.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:05 am UTC
by jords
Actually, terminators are pretty easy to defeat, all you gotta do is cut open the head and unscrew their chip holder. (Obviously doesn't apply to t-1000's)

Kinda funny actually, they spend so much time making out that they are indestructible, when they actually have a pretty major design flaw. Surely with all the future technology they could require a key to get chip access?

So yeah, River Tam would win, unless of course we were using real physics not movie/tv show physics, and sprayed bullets are allowed to hit main characters.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:35 pm UTC
by Yuri2356
jords wrote:Actually, terminators are pretty easy to defeat, all you gotta do is cut open the head and unscrew their chip holder. (Obviously doesn't apply to t-1000's)

Kinda funny actually, they spend so much time making out that they are indestructible, when they actually have a pretty major design flaw. Surely with all the future technology they could require a key to get chip access?

So yeah, River Tam would win, unless of course we were using real physics not movie/tv show physics, and sprayed bullets are allowed to hit main characters.


"Excsuse me, super-strong, heavily-armed, and ruthless killbot, would you mind standing still for a few minutes while I preform a delicate mechanical procedure on the back of your skull? kthnx."

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:44 am UTC
by jords
I think your forgetting the whole out for 120 seconds when hit with a large amount of electricity thing...

Although that didn't happen in terminator 1 or 2.

Also, the only reason it's mostly been done delicately is because they didn't want to damage the chip - if you do, then there is nothing delicate about it.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:45 am UTC
by SummerGlauFan
Not to mention, a group of glorified resistance fighters have managed to reprogram quite a few terminators, I'm sure a supergenius like River can figure it out.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:33 pm UTC
by mosc
This can be broken down into three situations:
1) Firepower. If you supply each with sufficient projectile weapons and place them in a situation with limited cover, the terminator wins by constitution. Easily
2) Flexibility. River is agile, the terminator is not. In the absence of long range weapondry, the advantage goes to river in general. However, not bare handed. A fistfight is going to favor the terminator. Tossup.
3) Planning. Given enough time to plan the encounter and set traps, etc the advantage is river's intellect and creativity.

So I say tossup. In the end, River's kinda like batman. Give her 15 minutes, a paperclip, and a schematic and the terminator doesn't have a chance. Plop them down with two miniguns at 100 paces in an empty warehouse and the fight doesn't last long.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:47 pm UTC
by kristacanton
River.

Because you don't expect it. She's smart and quirky ("My food is problematic") and is crazy to the point of being almost annoying, but all of a sudden she saves the day.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:02 am UTC
by Nakross
Apparently, io9 is having a poll that's part of Televisions Biggest Badass of All Time... Current poll is Cameron VS River. Previous poll was River vs Caprica 6... and damn, Caprica 6 got owned.

Re: River Tam VS Cameron Phillips

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:59 am UTC
by Bartimaeus
Nakross wrote:Apparently, io9 is having a poll that's part of Televisions Biggest Badass of All Time... Current poll is Cameron VS River. Previous poll was River vs Caprica 6... and damn, Caprica 6 got owned.

Link, please.

Powerintheverse wrote:To me the answer seems obvious, River is more flexible and skilled with all sorts of weapons, then again it really does depend on what kind of mood she's in, perhaps the sight of a killer robot that looked liker herself would send her into despair. Cameron is hard to kill but her battle tactics are pretty limited to shooting and picking people up and throwing them/pushing them into walls. What do you guys think?

I'm Cameron could do more complex maneuvers, but she doesn't really need to. The only time bluntness failed her was in the TSCC finale, but it was just messed up how easily she got beat. I'd still go with River though, she could probably build an anti-Cameron from a garbage pile if she couldn't do it by ingenuity.