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Postby BigBoss » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Wucar1vxQ

I haven't heard much about this movie, but the effects look pretty good.
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Re: 2012

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:16 pm UTC

2012 is an upcoming American disaster film directed by Roland Emmerich.
Eeeeewwwwwwwwww. -800 points.

The film has an ensemble cast, including John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Danny Glover, Thandie Newton, Oliver Platt, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Woody Harrelson.
AWESOME! +750 points!

The film will be distributed by Columbia Pictures.
Ewwww. -100 points.

Filming began in August 2008 in Vancouver;
AWESOME! +500 points.

Net score: +350. I'll give it a shot!
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Re: 2012

Postby Cryopyre » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:20 pm UTC

Are you kidding, did you see 10,000 BC? At *least* -1000 points for Roland Emmerich.
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Re: 2012

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:21 pm UTC

10,000 BC NEVER HAPPENED! CHECK WITH POLAND! PUNCH WAS SERVED!

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Re: 2012

Postby frogman » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:39 am UTC

Eh... the effects look cool, but I could do without another "end of the world" movie.
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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:55 pm UTC

Looks pretty cool to me, but then I'm a pretty big fan of big-budget pop trash movies.

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Re: 2012

Postby podbaydoor » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:11 pm UTC

I really liked the teaser trailer (the one with the monk). The theatrical trailer just makes it seem like Day After Tomorrow times 10.
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Re: 2012

Postby keozen » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:23 am UTC

Well, I just got out after seeing it and........ yeah it was crap.

The cgi was pretty at times but the plot and script seemed to be an afterthought and written by 16 year olds. Ok, not 16 year olds, not only was it directed by Roland Emmerich but he wrote the crap too.

I'll go into spoiler tags for the rest of my rant to save those who care.

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Stupidly done action sequences. My point being, in any action sequence you need one or two moments where someone gets saved by the skin of their teeth or only just makes something, etc. In this film they seem to have taken that to the nth. At one point (and I shit you not) they ramp a limo into the air, through the window of a falling scyscraper/building (that is subsiding into a fissure in the ground) across the floor of the building and out the other side landing on the road at the other side. At every point when the ground is falling away it's always JUST on the character's heels almost as if it's attached to their trailing shoelaces, it's all too convenient. If it wee a tabletop roleplaying game every roll by our characters would be a 20.

Then there is the cliche machine. In true end of the world movie style the writing staff seem to have discussed the use of cheesy ways of doing things, tried to decide how many of those moments to use then thought "fuck it, we'll use them all" from the white house being crushed by the USS John F Kennedy on a tidal wave to the ceiling of the Sistine cracking in a neat line between God & Adam's fingers.

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When sat in a car in the closed hangar of a plane searching through the radio and not finding a signal this is because you are inside a large faraday cage, you're not going to get a fucking signal.

When building giant ships to ferry mankind in a noah's ark type manner why build them with deasil engines? You can't get more, the mines are bloody flooded.

When you have your characters state that their plan is to land to refuel in Hawaii and then take off again don't then have them state that they have no landing gear after finding out that Hawaii is gone, how were they going to land and take off with no gear???

I have many more things to add and may do so but am stupid tired now. I just wanted to rant.


Summary is that it's a good film to look at pretty CGI but don't expect a good plot, etc.
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Re: 2012

Postby Kazuke » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:28 am UTC

Tell me something, 'cause this has really been bugging me.

I think this movie looks completely rediculous. It's tyical modern Hollywood: Bad writing, bad acting, Did not do the Research taken to the extreme, and almost completely reliant on CG to sell itself.

But the biggest question I have is this: Did it take itself seriously, or was this movie a parody?

I work at the mall, and they were handing out free vouchers to see this movie for free at a private mall employees only early screening last Tuesday. My boss and several of my coworkers were going and asked if I wanted to come.

I had to say no. There's nothing in the world, not even money, that would make me want to see this movie.

And I've only seen a trailer.

So I have to ask, was this movie a serious attempt at making a compelling film, or a brilliant parody?

'cause If it was the second, I really missed out.

I've seen my share of bad movies, I even honestly liked a few (GI Joe being the most recent) But they took the tropes and just ran with them, and I was happy with it. But this movie just didn't sit well with me, and I haven't even seen it.

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Re: 2012

Postby keozen » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:33 am UTC

There are the odd moment that make you think that it wants to be a parody but those moments seem simply to be the moments where the script has gotten so much like a 12 year old's first draft of a Mary Sue fanfic in believability values that you find yourself thinking "Oh come on".

If it was meant to be a parody they didn't make it clear, you honestly got the feeling that the writer/director honestly thought he was "being all epic & shit" *sigh*
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Re: 2012

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:33 am UTC

It's by the guy who did The Day After Tomorrow, Independence Day etc. It's disaster porn and it's more effects-driven finest. so, yes, it's gonna be rubbish plot-wise. However, I'm quite looking forward to seeing it as I do love me some good disaster porn :p
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Re: 2012

Postby headprogrammingczar » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:31 pm UTC

This trailer sums up the appeal of the movie quite nicely.
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Re: 2012

Postby keozen » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:15 pm UTC

blue_eyedspacemonkey wrote:It's by the guy who did The Day After Tomorrow, Independence Day etc. It's disaster porn and it's more effects-driven finest. so, yes, it's gonna be rubbish plot-wise. However, I'm quite looking forward to seeing it as I do love me some good disaster porn :p


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Re: 2012

Postby Kizyr » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:32 pm UTC

Man, I actually like ridiculous over-the-top disaster movies. And still this looked like crap from the trailer.

I even liked Day After Tomorrow ("quick! shut the doors before the freeze gets in!"). I'm content to wait 'til 2012 comes out on TV, late night, when nothing better is on. KF
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Re: 2012

Postby Pryomancer » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:04 pm UTC

A pile of CGI doesn't compensate for a terrible plot.
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Re: 2012

Postby Skythe » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:42 pm UTC

BigBoss wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Wucar1vxQ

I haven't heard much about this movie, but the effects look pretty good.



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Spoiler:
The world ends with buildings collapsing for no reason and huge fireballs sprouting out of the earth for no apparent reason. Everyone dies except two people because it would be a pretty depressing story if the protagonist dies. The end.
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Re: 2012

Postby Random832 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:19 am UTC

Skythe wrote:
BigBoss wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Wucar1vxQ

I haven't heard much about this movie, but the effects look pretty good.



Special effects don't mean anything. I know everything that will happen
The world ends with buildings collapsing for no reason and huge fireballs sprouting out of the earth for no apparent reason. Everyone dies except two people because it would be a pretty depressing story if the protagonist dies. The end.


That's not what happens.
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The premise for why the world's "ending" is a bit weak, yes (huge amounts of neutrinos from an unprecedented solar flare boiling the earth's core or something), but most people we meet survive. There are big ships (it's implied for most of the movie that they're spaceships), and lots of people end up getting on them. The tsunamis subside after a while and it's strongly implied that Africa made it through with minimal damage due to the crust shifting around and increasing its elevation. Also, the south pole is now in wisconsin.

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Re: 2012

Postby adanedhel728 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:44 am UTC

I've learned that I really don't like movies with mass death unless I feel like it goes somewhere. That probably sounds holier-than-thou, but I just don't like those movies.

I also don't like the idea of a movie that will contribute to whatever hysteria comes about on Dec 29, 2012 (I think that's the right date; not positive).

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Re: 2012

Postby Zohar » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:49 am UTC

I very much doubt anyone will be worried about this in 2012. So the Mayans didn't continue their calendar 500 years ago that far into the future. Did no one hear of extrapolation?
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Re: 2012

Postby GhostWolfe » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:31 am UTC

That's been bugging the shit out of me every time I hear the ads for this movie.

I was of the distinct impression that the Mayan calendar didn't stop at 2012 because they thought the world was going to end, it stopped because 2012 was so inconceivably far into the future they didn't need to keep counting. Turns out they were right about that bit, too.

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Re: 2012

Postby Vieto » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:53 pm UTC

I like to think of it as a mayan Y2K.

1. nothing will happen on that date
2. Mayan programmers are likely lazy
3. They would probably just set up a new calander cycle after that date.
4. "ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!111!"

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Re: 2012

Postby adanedhel728 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:12 pm UTC

Well, not that I believe it, but technically, you are leaving out something pretty important, and that is that Nostradamus predicted the world to end on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends even though he didn't know the Mayan calendar.

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Re: 2012

Postby Random832 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:50 pm UTC

GhostWolfe wrote:That's been bugging the shit out of me every time I hear the ads for this movie.

I was of the distinct impression that the Mayan calendar didn't stop at 2012 because they thought the world was going to end, it stopped because 2012 was so inconceivably far into the future they didn't need to keep counting. Turns out they were right about that bit, too.

/angell


Well, you're actually mistaken: In reality, the Mayan calendar doesn't stop at 2012, period. It continues, adding another digit to the count. It's like saying that our calendar predicts the end of the world in the year 10000.

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Re: 2012

Postby GhostWolfe » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:27 pm UTC

Right, thank you. :)

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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:24 am UTC

ian wrote:Looks pretty cool to me, but then I'm a pretty big fan of big-budget pop trash movies.

I liked it :thup:!

Definitely played up to disaster movie cliches, but still a fun movie. And those cliches far less annoying than 'the science isn't right/that's not what the mayan calender says' cliched arguments. Sometimes I think people don't realise the starting point was 'let's make a disaster movie' not let's look into subject x and see what kind of movie comes out.


(and why is my spell checker picking up 'movie'?)

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Re: 2012

Postby GhostWolfe » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:35 am UTC

ian wrote:(and why is my spell checker picking up 'movie'?)
What spell checker are you using? Google Chrome picks up "movie" as incorrect, which both drives me crazy and makes me rather paranoid.

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Re: 2012

Postby Phen » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:00 am UTC

nikdevid wrote:Haha, I just got back from seeing 2012.

It was the best movie I ever saw!!!


You know, you have to suspend disbelief when you see movies like this

It was awesome, do not miss it on the big screen!

So many posters with single-digit posts praising various games and films lately... This new trend is making me paranoid.
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Re: 2012

Postby jaap » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:58 am UTC

Phen wrote:
nikdevid wrote:<snip>

So many posters with single-digit posts praising various games and films lately... This new trend is making me paranoid.

Well, that one is a undoubtedly a spammer - just look at his sig, "bluetooth headset", which will turn into a link any day now.

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Re: 2012

Postby Giant Speck » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:38 am UTC

I think I'm going to wait until someone takes all the disaster scenes and pastes them together. That way, I can enjoy all the disaster porn without having to be bogged down by a bad plot.
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Re: 2012

Postby Random832 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:03 pm UTC

Ignoring the science and mayan calendar stuff (since you really have to ignore that), the one thing that struck me as most implausible was
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the Russian guy's flight plan. When they knew that all the hot spots were going to erupt, planning a fuel stop in Hawaii of all places was suicide.

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Re: 2012

Postby keozen » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:06 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:Ignoring the science and mayan calendar stuff (since you really have to ignore that), the one thing that struck me as most implausible was
Spoiler:
the Russian guy's flight plan. When they knew that all the hot spots were going to erupt, planning a fuel stop in Hawaii of all places was suicide.

Spoiler:
That & after they found that Hawaii was a no go they said "At least we won't need our landing gear" "Why?" "We lost it back in vegas"

How the hell were they planning on re-fueling?
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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:30 pm UTC

GhostWolfe wrote:
ian wrote:(and why is my spell checker picking up 'movie'?)
What spell checker are you using? Google Chrome picks up "movie" as incorrect, which both drives me crazy and makes me rather paranoid.

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Yeah chrome. How odd.

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Random832 wrote:Ignoring the science and mayan calendar stuff (since you really have to ignore that), the one thing that struck me as most implausible was
Spoiler:
the Russian guy's flight plan. When they knew that all the hot spots were going to erupt, planning a fuel stop in Hawaii of all places was suicide.

Spoiler:
That & after they found that Hawaii was a no go they said "At least we won't need our landing gear" "Why?" "We lost it back in vegas"

How the hell were they planning on re-fueling?

Spoiler:
i took that as 'we are now gonna have to do ditch into the ocean'

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Re: 2012

Postby Random832 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:01 pm UTC

Spoiler:
ian wrote:
keozen wrote:That & after they found that Hawaii was a no go they said "At least we won't need our landing gear" "Why?" "We lost it back in vegas"
How the hell were they planning on re-fueling?

i took that as 'we are now gonna have to do ditch into the ocean'

Yeah, but keozen's question here is more of how exactly they were still planning to land in Hawaii to refuel, after losing the landing gear but before realizing that Hawaii was a molten wasteland.

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Re: 2012

Postby GhostWolfe » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:29 pm UTC

ian wrote:
Spoiler:
i took that as 'we are now gonna have to do ditch into the ocean'
Spoiler:
If they ditch into the ocean and refuel, how were they planning on taking off again??

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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:41 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:
Spoiler:
ian wrote:
keozen wrote:That & after they found that Hawaii was a no go they said "At least we won't need our landing gear" "Why?" "We lost it back in vegas"
How the hell were they planning on re-fueling?

i took that as 'we are now gonna have to do ditch into the ocean'

Yeah, but keozen's question here is more of how exactly they were still planning to land in Hawaii to refuel, after losing the landing gear but before realizing that Hawaii was a molten wasteland.

Spoiler:
well jackson, russian guy and amanda peet were going to drive the cars out the back as airplane pilot and husband no2 flew the plain low, turn around, and drive back up the run way and then position the cars under where the wheels would be... obviously

GhostWolfe wrote:
ian wrote:
Spoiler:
i took that as 'we are now gonna have to do ditch into the ocean'
Spoiler:
If they ditch into the ocean and refuel, how were they planning on taking off again??

/angell

Spoiler:
if someone ditches in the ocean, they generally aren't planning on refuelling and taking off.
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Re: 2012

Postby headprogrammingczar » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:42 pm UTC

They would find a plot hole, fall into it, and come out the other side over China.
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Re: 2012

Postby Vieto » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:54 am UTC

headprogrammingczar wrote:They would find a plot hole, fall into it, and come out the other side over China.


Zimbabwe, actually. Zimbabwe is opposite of Hawaii.

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Re: 2012

Postby headprogrammingczar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:25 am UTC

Not after the movie is over :P
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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:31 am UTC

Woh, spoiler that shit.

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Re: 2012

Postby Vieto » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:05 am UTC

ian wrote:Woh, spoiler that shit.


I haven't seen the movie. I'm just stating a geographic fact.


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