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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:11 am UTC

I was replying to the post above mine regarding the actual movie.

edit: that wasn't meant to sound so snarky!

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Re: 2012

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:04 am UTC

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headprogrammingczar wrote:They would find a plot hole, fall into it, and come out the other side over China.


Zimbabwe, actually. Zimbabwe is opposite of Hawaii.

Actually, northern Botswana is.
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Re: 2012

Postby keozen » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:10 am UTC

All the Spoilers you need: The world ends, lots of people die, some don't as they slip through plot holes.

Also there is a little dog that SO should die (I hate those little yappy dogs) but doesn't :(
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Re: 2012

Postby Zohar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:19 am UTC

keozen wrote:Also there is a little dog that SO should die (I hate those little yappy dogs) but doesn't :(

It's a dog. The only case of a dog dying in a movie I can remember is Old Yeller and another movie from recent years that I don't want to spoil for people. Um... it's the one with the uh... Oh just read at your own risk. It's just an action movie anyway.

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Re: 2012

Postby jameshope » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:09 pm UTC

Hello Everyone,

I have seen movie yesterday and believe me It is just amazing. When I was watching the movie It scares me If such thing will happen to us then WHAT will happen??

Just amazing picturisation!!
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Re: 2012

Postby cptnoob » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:05 am UTC

adanedhel728 wrote:Well, not that I believe it, but technically, you are leaving out something pretty important, and that is that Nostradamus predicted the world to end on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends even though he didn't know the Mayan calendar.


Nostradamus NEVER gave dates to any of his "predictions" please do not buy into the crap put out by the hyst(eria)ory channel

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Re: 2012

Postby hideki101 » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:50 am UTC

So, yeah, I was watching a Discovery special on this. I was kinda calling bullshit on everything in it. PLATE TECTONICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.
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Re: 2012

Postby Giant Speck » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:52 am UTC

hideki101 wrote:PLATE TECTONICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Thank you, Morbo.
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Re: 2012

Postby Kaeyn » Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:38 am UTC

Pryomancer wrote:A pile of CGI doesn't compensate for a terrible plot.


Hear, hear.

I do not want to see this film. Not even if the ticket is free. John Cusack should know better, but Roland Emmerich needs to retire.

All those of you who like it and films like it, I don't think you're exactly appreciative of films. You just like visual entertainment. Something that looks nice, but in all other areas fails miserably can never be regarded as a good film by any serious person. Transformers, the Saw films (maybe), pretty much any disaster film that tries to upstage the destruction in the last film of its kind and pretty much any other film that falls into that kind of category is not worthy of the publicity they get. They are aimless, pointless, shit-kicker wastes of celluloid that are made to make bucketloads of undeserved money. A film that uses CGI to make up for it's horrible plot, characterisation and atmosphere really shouldn't be considered a film.

And for those of you who say you're worried about the world ending in 2012 and that this film is a good visualisation of what could happen, get over yourself. All 2012 theories are bullshit. All of them have been predicted by entities that were discovered years after the last thing they "predicted" happened. I have no reason to believe any of it, and neither should anyone else.


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Re: 2012

Postby Malice » Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:10 pm UTC

Kaeyn wrote:
Pryomancer wrote:A pile of CGI doesn't compensate for a terrible plot.


Hear, hear.

I do not want to see this film. Not even if the ticket is free. John Cusack should know better, but Roland Emmerich needs to retire.


Emmerich has at least said that this is his last disaster film.

All those of you who like it and films like it, I don't think you're exactly appreciative of films. You just like visual entertainment.


Is there something wrong with that? That's like saying it's wrong to like Van Gogh paintings because there's no story. There's nothing wrong with seeing and enjoying something for its pure visual spectacle--look at Renaissance, The Spirit, and Speed Racer, to name a recent few. Film is a visual medium, and can satisfy on that level even if it fails on all others (hello, Benjamin Button). If that's enough for somebody, that's fine.

Something that looks nice, but in all other areas fails miserably can never be regarded as a good film by any serious person. Transformers, the Saw films (maybe), pretty much any disaster film that tries to upstage the destruction in the last film of its kind and pretty much any other film that falls into that kind of category is not worthy of the publicity they get. They are aimless, pointless, shit-kicker wastes of celluloid that are made to make bucketloads of undeserved money. A film that uses CGI to make up for it's horrible plot, characterisation and atmosphere really shouldn't be considered a film.


I think you're lumping 2012 into a category of films it doesn't belong with. The plot of 2012 is coherent and meaningful (even if it's not scientifically accurate), its characterization is pretty thin (although I think much of that is a deliberate attempt to get "normal" reactions to extraordinary events) but not distractingly so (thanks in large part to really good actors--Cusack, Chiwatel, Harrellson, etc--trying manfully to be sincere in ridiculous scenarios), and its atmosphere is actually quite good and involving (due, I think, to the fact that their special effects sequences are written and planned in interesting, effective ways, and not just slapped on the screen).

Ultimately, Emmerich isn't Bay; 2012 is actually a movie, not a pile of vomit on celluloid, and actually works part of the time and is pleasingly campy at other times and, even though it may be CG-porn, you don't often feel dirty.
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Re: 2012

Postby headprogrammingczar » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:27 am UTC

Malice wrote:Emmerich has at least said that this is his last disaster film.

And that's a good thing? I felt safer knowing his movies would be sequestered to the genre where directors go to get ignored.
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Re: 2012

Postby podbaydoor » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:53 am UTC

Kaeyn wrote:All those of you who like it and films like it, I don't think you're exactly appreciative of films.

Yeah, no. Please do not get off on the assumption that being entertained by 2012 means being incapable of also appreciating "deep" films (and please also remember that your deep might just be shallow junk philosophy, depending on whether you run into a critic more snobbish than you are).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you are seriously selling people short if you forget that we can have multiple facets of enjoyment, imagine that. Sometimes I'm not in the mood for a depressing epic about people's shitty lives in Afghanistan, I'd rather go see an escapist spy thriller and experience someone else's adrenaline-filled existence for a while, and as I'm paying for my ticket for that I will not judge you at the next window over paying for your ticket for the latest black-and-white indie film about yet more young people having sex in Paris.

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Re: 2012

Postby Kaeyn » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:22 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:I will not judge you at the next window over paying for your ticket for the latest black-and-white indie film about yet more young people having sex in Paris.

I've seen that film, I thought it was weird. :P
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Re: 2012

Postby ian » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:18 pm UTC

That wasn't in black and white.

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Re: 2012

Postby Kaotic » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:11 pm UTC

My problem with the movie is the simple fact that it exists. I agree with posters saying that enjoying cheese and CGI porn doesn't imply an inability to understand and appreciate "deep" cinematic experiences, but as someone with a long-standing appreciation for science and reality who unfortunately lives in a bastion of conservative fundamentalism in California (yes, we have those), I can't help but despise this movie on the simple fact that it is making my life here even more difficult.

I can not count the number of times I have had to explain not only the bullshit surrounding the 2012 situation (I refuse to call it a theory), only to find that once you peel back a layer or two of their superficial reasoning a lot of their backing comes from saying, "Well they made a movie about it so obviously it's Serious Business!" Of course that logic is ridiculously flawed, but these aren't exactly people who make a living thinking rationally.

There's also those people who simply lack any sort of skepticism, and soak up whatever is thrown in front of them. This movie might be hardcore CGI porny goodness, but when they advertise it as a serious scientific/government conspiracy, make claims about impossible science, and give the morons who sit around coming up with ridiculous "Documentaries" on the History and Discovery channels something to latch on to, I can't help but be more than a little annoyed. This country is failing so miserably in science and science education anyway, why must we make things worse? There are a billion amazing and awesome things that do and could happen that could be utilized in excellent sci-fi/CGI movies, so it's not like there's a drought on subject matter. It's just laziness and fear-mongering.

Ah, I feel a little better now.

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Re: 2012

Postby Admiral Valdemar » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:34 pm UTC

Kaotic wrote:My problem with the movie is the simple fact that it exists. *SNIP*


Honestly, you could argue using that case to ban various decent sci-fi movies. Name ten sci-fi films that don't piss on science somewhere down the line in the name of story. Mainstream sci-fi is always, and always will be, littered with mistakes, be it for artistic merit or because the writers are just ignorant/apathetic. At the end of the day, a moron who takes a movie at face value is an idiot who won't care for a film that has realistic tectonic theory in it, particle physics that get the approval of CERN and genetics that doesn't invoke the evil clone idea.

Idiots existing is a fact I've come to terms with. You can't educate them via Hollywood, and we shouldn't try. After all, fiction != documentary material.

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Re: 2012

Postby Kaotic » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:43 pm UTC

I absolutely agree with you in that you could use the argument to ban a number of completely decent, even awesome sci-fi movies. What gets my gears going, however, is that when Independence Day came out, no one was going around claiming that we were truly going to be invaded on July 4th (At least no one above the level of Cardboard Sign Guy.) This movie doesn't simply utilize mistaken science in order to tell a story, it aggressively pushes for and capitalizes on the general public's ability to be misled and made afraid. The other day I read an article about one astronomer who said he was getting calls from young teenagers asking if they should just commit suicide as they didn't want to be around for The End in a few years. While on one hand I think that kind of culling of the gene pool might do some good, it still annoys me that this film marketed a conspiracy and fear just to boost sales.

But you're right, idiots will always exist and it's exceedingly hard to educate them. I just wish they didn't run quite so rampant or have quite so much say in affairs of reality.

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Re: 2012

Postby Admiral Valdemar » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:53 pm UTC

I had to laugh when I first saw the trailer for 2012 and the "It could really happen!" text came up. It reminded me of when I saw Angels & Demons with my ex in Oxford (she's a fizziksist) and she practically blurted out "THAT'S NOT HOW PARTICLES WORK!" when they had that scene with CERN getting anti-matter. I could sympathise with her, because I'm that same way (although, ironically, I also spend a lot of my time rationalising these things in sci-fi, since I come from a bulletin board where we calculated the destructive power of the Death Star, among other things. 1E38J, if curious). My brain knows this stuff is not as it really is, but if the story is good, then I suspend my disbelief, to an extent. I love hard sci-fi myself, though I also love Star Wars, which really is just fantasy with lasers, like most mainstream sci-fi is.

I always took the "It could really happen!" thing was almost tongue-in-cheek. Though I'm not always so sure anymore. I used to really rip into all those tie-in shows on TV regarding whatever big movie was coming out, for instance, there was one on the other night about the science of Superman (tip: there isn't any). They actually had a physiologist talking about the muscle and joint strength needed for Superman to move supersonically. I could only assume the guy was having a laugh with this, or was not someone I'd employ for his expertise. When you get shows like that furthering the myth that there's credibility behind these works of fiction, then you do worry. I spent most of my time at uni hammering Cre(a)tinists with evolution (helps my evolutionary theory professor was a zealot about it too), so I guess I'm one to talk here.

You're right, we shouldn't encourage them. Yet, I love me some popcorn action and CGI porn too. Just a pity not even Cusack could save 2012 for me. The last hour made me WANT everyone to die.

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Re: 2012

Postby Kaotic » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:11 pm UTC

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I could only assume the guy was having a laugh with this, or was not someone I'd employ for his expertise.


Like the Death Star calculations, I think imaginative what-ifs are perfectly fine, arguably even necessary, to keep the mind sharp and consider far-out-of-the-box conundrums. You and I know that Spider-Man's web abilities (movie, not comic) are pretty impossible, but it still makes for good "how can we make this work" discussions. If the public at large knew that too, I'd have little issue with a twenty-part series on Nostradumbasses' predictions and 50 Ways the Book of Revelations Could Really Happen. But people hear someone with "Doctor" in front of his name and don't understand he's amusing himself or a little loony. They just put it in their FACTS box.

Admiral Valdemar wrote:You're right, we shouldn't encourage them. Yet, I love me some popcorn action and CGI porn too.


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Re: 2012

Postby DeltaOne » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:37 pm UTC

I've been told to see it for the special effects, but I've resolved not to until 2013 (just so I can laugh).

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Re: 2012

Postby jessekaye » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:12 am UTC

There's a whole world of destruction going on in the film's ridiculously excessive special-effects sequences.
But there's a whole lot of entertaining going on, too.


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