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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby legopelle » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:26 am UTC

blu wrote:You might be interested in this then: Overthinking Cowboy Bebop.
The guy has some pretty cool insights most of the time, and is down to the last two sessions so you'll have plenty to read.

It could be a good excuse to rewatch the entire series too, if it's been a while.

Cool, I''l give it a read. :o
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:06 am UTC

So yeah, they explained that the boats weren't magic, except the main one. And yeah, his power isn't completely consistant (as evidenced by a few bits in this episode) but they're reasonable exceptions due to Rule of Cool and Rule of Drama.

Bishop Biagio's powers were disappoint though, they were kinda lame.

And Vento of the front is hot:
Spoiler:
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:09 pm UTC

Vento has a few too many piercings.

Spoiler:
I'm totally waiting for Touma to go all Assassin's Creed II and have a fist fight with the Pope.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:29 am UTC

So yeah, saw the latest episode of To Aru Majutsu No Index II and I gotta ask:

What
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:44 am UTC

Did we watch different episodes?
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:19 am UTC

Not sure what you mean.

All I can say is the whole episode felt off. The characters felt, for lack of a better term, out of character.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby legopelle » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:19 pm UTC

RANDOM SCHRÖDINGER WARP!

PROBABILITY ALTERING MISSILE!

"MY WIFE IS THE GREATEST" THROW!

GIGA DRILL BREAKER!

I finished Gurren Lagann today. It was awesome.

***

Ok, end of the immaturities.
It's not often I can sit down and really enjoy the ridiculous action and characters of shounen-type anime. This was different. Sure, everything was still over-the-top and most characters insane, but in a cocoon of sincerity.

I guess what really made my suspension of disbelief going were how human the characters actually were, all things considered. I could even forgive the fanservice of Yoko because Kamina made such a fuzz about it (how many of you saw the unaltered episode 6?).

My favourite character must have been Rossiu. He has a few moments when we see the difficulties a ruler must face.

Speaking of ruling, I also liked how they virtually became the same as Lordgenome. Ruling the humans for their own good, and having them attacking you still. It's always fun with perspective.

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And the ending was so sad. I remember thinking during the last battle when Nia had some pan dimensional flux going, "she's going to disappear, ain't she?". Very nice 20y timeskip afterwards.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby modularblues » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:40 pm UTC

Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica is fast becoming a psychological and philosophical mesh of moral grayness that belies the cast of cute middle-school girls. As to be expected from director Akiyuki Shinbo and studio Shaft...

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:51 pm UTC

Shaft is awesome.

In other news, Gosick is awesome.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:08 pm UTC

Shaft has always been pretty shafty lately with their series (DAMN YOU SHAFT!). Fortunately their Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica series manages to be interesting enough to be able to overlook all the studio's shaftiness (escher architecture, gratuitous camera shifts, arbitrary color schemes, spaghetti). While the show still falls into these stylistic nightmares, it manages to present an interesting story, if not for only creating one of the most interesting antagonists ever, Kyubey. His presence alone lets me put up with all of Shaft's shaftiness just to see what evil deed he'll do next.

That aside, Gosick is awesome. It's quickly become my favorite series this season. I've even debated getting the novels.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:22 pm UTC

Isn't that what is awesome about SHAFT?

Also 1minute into the first episode of said anime....

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:04 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:Isn't that what is awesome about SHAFT?


I would disagree.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:36 am UTC

Well, to each their own. I mean, I love their style and I suppose many people might hate it.

But from a technical point of view I think they're one of the best animators out there. Most anime except in a few circumstances don't even use proper camera framing, blocking, or anything like that to enhance the ideas and emotions they're trying to communicate (Look at, essentially every mainstream anime ever) but SHAFT do and they do it almost perfectly.


Edit: Also .hack//quantum looks sweet.

Edit: I think I love pretty much any really brutal depressing deconstruction in anime.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:56 am UTC

Latest ep of Madoka... awesome! Can't wait for more.

Spoilers of Madoka's latest ep:
Spoiler:
Homura is a Groundhog Peggy Sue.

She has 'told people' about the Magical Girl stuff before and 'it didn't work'. Those people was Madoka herself, she tried explaining it to her in one of the cycles and it didn't work. The 'many people' she has seen die are again Madoka/Mami/Sayaka within the repeating cycles.

The dream Madoka had actually happened. The witch she is fighting in the dream is Sayaka. The reason she dreamed that is because this is the time when Homura teleported back to (bringing with her some memories of the last time line) which is why she appears in the school that day. When Homura is smashed into the tree during the dream she only cries out after she notices Kyuubey and Madoka on the platform watching her fight Sayaka. She cries out not because she is in pain, but because she is in despair and is frustrated. She realises that since Madoka and Kyuubey are there that means that Madoka will form the contact to try and help her because Homura knows how this cycle ends. Madoka/Kyuubey/Homura don't seem to be strangers in the dream, this lends more evidence to this theoy.

It also explains why she knows the timing of events so perfectly, as well as everyone's names. It also explains why she is extremely frustrated with a lot of the characters and seems irked when Madoka doesn't use informal honorifics and language with her (Because they were good friends in one of the time lines). Homura took it upon herself to dedicate herself to trying to stop the events so she has not interacted with Madoka as a friend past her initial cycle.

It's possible that Homura is close to running out of magic too. She looked tired after killing Kyuubey in this episode and she has possibly been through so many cycles that this could be her last chance (not enough power to go back another time). She couldn't even bring herself to follow Madoka after she ran off implying she might be reaching her limits.
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- > No
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"Do you think games are silly little things?"
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"Do you admit there is no meaning to this world?"
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby tastelikecoke » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:33 pm UTC

Just finished Code Geass. I feel like I live in the past, everyone's watching new stuff goddamit.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Mishrak » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:00 pm UTC

I really enjoyed Geass, both seasons of it. The plot twists were refreshing and kept me on my toes.

It was fun because right as I started watching it, the first season had just ended and the second was airing, so I was right on the cutting edge of it.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Xeio » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:13 pm UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:Just finished Code Geass. I feel like I live in the past, everyone's watching new stuff goddamit.
Don't worry, I only watch dubbed so I'm like 3+ years behind everyone here I think. :mrgreen:

Actually, about 7, according to Wikipedia.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby blu » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:50 pm UTC

I always have trouble suspending my disbelief when mechs are involved. I realize I'm in the minority in this.
How much weight does the mecha part have in the story of Code Geass?

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:37 pm UTC

Not that much. It's more about the main character making awesome plans and lying to everyone.

Also, I watched Trigun lately : I like finding old anime and watching it :).

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Mega D » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:00 pm UTC

Grop wrote:Not that much. It's more about the main character making awesome plans and lying to everyone.

Also, I watched Trigun lately : I like finding old anime and watching it :).

Trigun's old? Man, thanks for reminding me how much of a geezer I am.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby garren101 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:21 pm UTC

I finished watching Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple over the weekend. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the story, the characters, the pacing, how all the fights seemed unique and refreshing. Great if you want a DBZ style show without having to watch a DBZ style show. Now I'm onto Initial D, purely because I'm into cars so I feel it's a necessity.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Yubtzock » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:59 pm UTC

blu wrote:I always have trouble suspending my disbelief when mechs are involved. I realize I'm in the minority in this.

You might be in the minority but you are not alone ;)
blu wrote:How much weight does the mecha part have in the story of Code Geass?

I'd want to know even more. Is the "humongous mecha" design as a means of transport supported in any other way than "it's mecha! => It's awesum!"? :)

Grop wrote:Not that much. It's more about the main character making awesome plans and lying to everyone.

Also, I watched Trigun lately : I like finding old anime and watching it :).

About Trigun: if you mean the tv series one, than yes, it is truly enjoyable (of course manga beats it, but that's like quote from cpt. Obvious), if you mean the 2010 Trigun "remake" Badlands, than also big yes, but there is a note: an almost plotless rehash of old scenes with some new characters and visuals is not what I would expect :( .
Well, I hope that the rumours about berserk being remade entirely from start and faithfull to manga will be true.

I might as well ask about some sort of recommendation, but maybe tomorrow... in an appropriate thread... :roll:

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Jorpho » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:33 am UTC

Yubtzock wrote:if you mean the 2010 Trigun "remake" Badlands, than also big yes, but there is a note: an almost plotless rehash of old scenes with some new characters and visuals is not what I would expect :( .
Badlands Rumble, you mean? For a two-hour (?) movie, you can do a heck of a lot worse. And I didn't really think it was particularly more plotful than many episodes of the TV series.

(Ooh, I think "plotful" is a new word.)

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:21 pm UTC

Yubtzock wrote:Well, I hope that the rumours about berserk being remade entirely from start and faithfull to manga will be true.



Please please tell me you have a source for that hope. I have seen 'articles' a few times saying they would remake or continue the series, but nothing has ever panned out.

Although I hope its a continuation, somehow and not a remake because I really like what there was of the original. Although I guess if Gutz is just as BA, it will be okay to remake it.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby legopelle » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:20 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:
Yubtzock wrote:Well, I hope that the rumours about berserk being remade entirely from start and faithfull to manga will be true.



Please please tell me you have a source for that hope. I have seen 'articles' a few times saying they would remake or continue the series, but nothing has ever panned out.

Although I hope its a continuation, somehow and not a remake because I really like what there was of the original. Although I guess if Gutz is just as BA, it will be okay to remake it.

Good news: yes, there's even trailers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl3aYeMDvp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WExssMJy_AI

Bad News? It's all CG, mocap and all.

blu wrote:I always have trouble suspending my disbelief when mechs are involved. I realize I'm in the minority in this.
How much weight does the mecha part have in the story of Code Geass?

As mentioned before, not much. They're tools. Awesome tools, but still tools. They don't even run, but use support wheels. And you should totally watch it. If you still is sceptical (no spoilers):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE1111gF2Qc

Xeio wrote:Don't worry, I only watch dubbed so I'm like 3+ years behind everyone here I think. :mrgreen:

I physically cringe when I watch (english) dubs. But then again, I don't live in US and A so I'm not spoiled with great native production. :oops: And we normally don't dub either.
German dubs can be quite awesome though. Especially in military-themed shows.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:20 pm UTC

There are some dubs that are better than the native language imho.

Baccano! -- set in Prohibition America, has the accents and all.

Ghost in the Shell -- I find the voices suit better and the translation is allround good, doesn't miss anything, good voice acting. Not strictly 'better' I just personally find the voices suit better and the translation and acting is on par for the original so the dub comes out on top for me. Except one scene.

Can't think of any more at the moment...
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Box Boy » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:50 pm UTC

I'd like to throw in Outlaw Star, aside from encoring nipples in the Hot Springs episode's cut version I have never heard of any major changes between the Dub and Sub, and I love the voices.

Code Geass is pretty brilliant as well, but the loss of Norio Wakamoto seems to be a deal breaker for many.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:55 pm UTC

If you have Norio you better keep him!
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SlyReaper » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:41 pm UTC

I submit Cowboy Bebop for consideration to be entered in to the list of Good Dubs™.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:00 pm UTC

I would like to say Trigun has good dubbing. This is also going back at bit, but watching some of the re-released Dragon Ball Kai subbed, I cant stand the voices, where as when I was a kid and watched it dubbed I liked the voices.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby blu » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:08 pm UTC

The dub in the first Fullmetal Alchemist was better than the original voice acting (imo). I don't know if they're using the same people for the second anime.

I started on Code Geass. I'm getting major Death Note vibes from Lelouch.
So far it's pretty good, except for some minor nitpicking I have.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby garren101 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:05 pm UTC

I haven't been able to listen to a dub over for years. I just find that I feel a lot more emotion from the original voice over work than the English voice actors can. Plus if the Japanese VA are horrible I can't really tell since I don't know the subtleties of the language.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:23 pm UTC

I'd recommend you listen to Baccano! then, just because the dub makes so much sense. It feels right.
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Postby garren101 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:55 pm UTC

Might have to add that to the ever expanding list of anime I need to watch then.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby charliepanayi » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:18 pm UTC

I won't wade too much into the old debate, but I will say Cowboy Bebop and Tenchi Muyo/Tenchi Universe have terrific dubs.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby legopelle » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:03 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:There are some dubs that are better than the native language imho.

Baccano! -- set in Prohibition America, has the accents and all.

Ghost in the Shell -- I find the voices suit better and the translation is allround good, doesn't miss anything, good voice acting. Not strictly 'better' I just personally find the voices suit better and the translation and acting is on par for the original so the dub comes out on top for me. Except one scene.

Can't think of any more at the moment...

Of course, I wasn't too serious. It's just that I try to have as much of the original as possible. The language is part of the experience for me. I also have this notion that localized productions might be edited or censored. Rational? I don't know.

Actually, I watched the first half of FMA (original) in English before I became used to subs. Sometimes I change voicetrack for fun. English voice actors just doesn't have the same feeling as the Japanese. Maybe just because I understand everything they say.

Aaaanyway, I should stop rambling now. I'm tired.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby garren101 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:02 pm UTC

legopelle wrote:Of course, I wasn't too serious. It's just that I try to have as much of the original as possible. The language is part of the experience for me. I also have this notion that localized productions might be edited or censored. Rational? I don't know.

Actually, I watched the first half of FMA (original) in English before I became used to subs. Sometimes I change voicetrack for fun. English voice actors just doesn't have the same feeling as the Japanese. Maybe just because I understand everything they say.

Aaaanyway, I should stop rambling now. I'm tired.

Similar reasons as me. There's also a part where the dub has to fit over what's going on in the video so some lines I find rushed, or have to be edited, or altered to fit into that space, It irks me too much. Granted some of the very high profile movies that come out such as Spirited Away do have very good dub overs.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby |Erasmus| » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:34 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:I won't wade too much into the old debate, but I will say Cowboy Bebop and Tenchi Muyo/Tenchi Universe have terrific dubs.

Bebop I like the dub more than subs. Possibly to do with having seen it first, but still... It's the only anime I know I can say that for, though.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby tastelikecoke » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:44 am UTC

For me, dubs become very irritating when it comes to Japanese words. For example "Tanaka Taro" becomes Tuhnakuh Tarrow or something. I just hate that.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:52 am UTC

Bad Voice Actors are bad.
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