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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SciJo » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:31 am UTC

PeteP wrote:About Watamote, it entertained me but I have to suppress the urge to skip scenes which make me cringe.^^

Pretty sure that's the whole point of the series.

I haven't delved into any of the new shows yet, partly due to finishing up some of last season's shows I fell behind on and partly because I've simply been too lazy to follow my usual routine of sampling all the new shows.

That said, Watamote is one show I've been interested in since I've enjoyed the manga from the bits I've read of it. It's one of those awkward comedies, where the humor comes from the situations rather then any upfront jokes.

Another one I've been interested in is Servant x Service since that comes from the person who created Working!! (dang title makes every sentence look awkward because of it's included punctuation), which was a show I also enjoyed (probably should hunt down the second season of that while I'm at it).

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:29 am UTC

Derek wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:SnK is not the show for you if you want to see some 'typical shounen fightan', it's a subversion of a lot of typical shounen tropes and is not really at all about fighting, war or combat. In fact I'm pretty sure the next episode will be entirely talking. If you are watching this in the hopes that humanity will have some epic war against the titans and push straight to Eren's basement and then fight some final boss... well you're going to be extremely disappointed, you should stop while you're ahead.

Where do you get the idea that it subverts shounen tropes? From my perspective it is nailing most of the tropes square on the head. That is in fact exactly the reason I'm getting tired of it. I don't want to watch shounentrash, but with each episode it is looking more and more like shounentrash.


I've read all of the manga, I could spoil everything for you if you want...


Let me talk about what has happened so far, though:

SnK Anime Spoilers:
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Shounen protagonists tend to have emotional/anger problems due to some emotional trauma, like Naruto not having any friends. But Eren had his mum killed in front of his eyes, so SnK is following that Shounen Trope, right? Wrong. Flashbacks show that Eren was already angry and mentally fucked up even before he lost his mum. He outright murdered two men, furiously stabbed them over and over while yelling for them to die, said what he did was putting down some rabid dogs. He did this as a small child... The subversion is that he has always been like this, that there is something else going on.

Usually there is a point in the shonen where a friend or loved one dies or gets hurt and that enrages the protagonist and they end up fighting a lot better than they had previously and end up defeating or routing their opponent. In SnK Thomas dies and Eren swears to take down the Titan... instead of doing really well and destroying the Titan he instantly, before he even has a chance to do anything, gets his leg bitten off and then shortly after he 'dies'.

Usually in shonen anime there is a trope that the main character gets some special power, like Naruto has the Kyubi, or the Shadow Clones, or the Rasengan or the Wind thing, and Eren has his titan form so that is the same, right? Well... I'll stop here because I'm about to get into manga spoilers.


Seriously though, it looks like a typical shounen anime despite being mostly dialogue and world building? Despite having only little combat and no 'training for extra powers' arcs? Despite having a lot of major, lovable characters die without fanfare?
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:49 am UTC

So dont shoot me, but I used to watch my anime episodes on AnimeCrazy...but now they are shutting down. Does anyone have any good suggestions for a site to stream anime from that doesnt crush you in advertisements, has a decent catalog of anime, a decent search and possibly reviews along with their list of anime?
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:11 pm UTC

Not going to shoot you. Just going to tell you to stop streaming and use nyaa for torrents instead (google it). It's not like it uses any more download and you'll get better quality and your choice of subs and the option to keep the download if you want.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Drumheller769 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:17 pm UTC

I used to torrent when I had DSL internet but now I have internet through 3G cell towers, so by streaming I can watch an episode with 5 minutes of buffering. To download I would have to wait approximately 30 minutes - 1 hour for say a 200MB episode and I wouldn't be able to use my internet for anything else during that time. So streaming is much more convenient. Also side note, back in college I used to torrent and keep anime and I've found that even though I have 10GB of anime, excluding Berserk I have never gone back and re watched something.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:58 pm UTC

For SnK / Attack on Titan:

Gelsamel wrote:
Spoiler:
Usually there is a point in the shonen where a friend or loved one dies or gets hurt and that enrages the protagonist and they end up fighting a lot better than they had previously and end up defeating or routing their opponent. In SnK Thomas dies and Eren swears to take down the Titan... instead of doing really well and destroying the Titan he instantly, before he even has a chance to do anything, gets his leg bitten off and then shortly after he 'dies'.


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Hell, everyone else actually. Mikasa performs noticeably worse when she learns that Eren got eaten, overextending and then running out of gas. Armin flat out freaks out, and fails to fight at all. So right there, the three main characters absolutely get clobbered when their emotions rule over them.

The only character who seems to get better when people die is Jean Kirschtein. Whenever someone dies, he quickly pieces together a plan to take advantage of that person's death. It isn't so much that he fights "better" when someone dies, its that he recognizes the unique position that a death puts his squad into... and then outmaneuvers the Titans afterwards. And later, he feels really really bad about that quality.

IMO, quite the interesting subversion. People, as expected, fight noticeably worse when their moral breaks. Only a few characters seem to do "better" in stressful situations...
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:02 pm UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:Does anyone have any good suggestions for a site to stream anime from that doesnt crush you in advertisements, has a decent catalog of anime, a decent search and possibly reviews along with their list of anime?


animefreak.tv isn't too annoying. I will lookup nyaa, but I am getting used to not downloading any files (which is also quite illegal in this country, although actually getting into trouble for downloading anime is unlikely).

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:49 pm UTC

When watching Gen'ei o Kakeru Taiyou I couldn't avoid thinking of the bobble heads comparsion, their gigantic heads and their super thin necks... I should read blog posts after watching the anime.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:16 pm UTC

UFOtable is going to be animating something from Fate/Stay Night.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:17 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:UFOtable is going to be animating something from Fate/Stay Night.


As in... the universe, or is that a soft confirmation on Fate / Heaven's Feel? Or hell, if they did Tsukihime correctly, I'd be happy with that too.

That Fate/Stay magical girl spinoff is starting up this season too. It doesn't look as amazing as Carnival Phantasm was... but maybe it will be amusing enough to make it worth watching...
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:06 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:UFOtable is going to be animating something from Fate/Stay Night.


As in... the universe, or is that a soft confirmation on Fate / Heaven's Feel? Or hell, if they did Tsukihime correctly, I'd be happy with that too.

That Fate/Stay magical girl spinoff is starting up this season too. It doesn't look as amazing as Carnival Phantasm was... but maybe it will be amusing enough to make it worth watching...


People are saying that it's Heaven's Feel but I'm not sure that it's confirmed. To be honest I'd prefer Fate or UBW by UFOtable but whatever.


Edit: In fact I think the fate route would be the best fit to pair with their F/Z.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:13 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:UFOtable is going to be animating something from Fate/Stay Night.


As in... the universe, or is that a soft confirmation on Fate / Heaven's Feel? Or hell, if they did Tsukihime correctly, I'd be happy with that too.

That Fate/Stay magical girl spinoff is starting up this season too. It doesn't look as amazing as Carnival Phantasm was... but maybe it will be amusing enough to make it worth watching...


People are saying that it's Heaven's Feel but I'm not sure that it's confirmed. To be honest I'd prefer Fate or UBW by UFOtable but whatever.


Edit: In fact I think the fate route would be the best fit to pair with their F/Z.


Depends. In Fate/Zero, they explicitly mentioned that Kiritsugu is trying to complete the Heaven's Feel, and Emiya completes it in well... the Heaven's Feel arch. You've also got the completion of Sakura's transformation with the worms, all the tie-ins with Zoken. Fate / Stay Night is the "obvious" route, but Heaven's Feel has plenty of connections to Fate/Zero. Plus, its the most emo-route by far.

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The only downside is that Saber doesn't really do much in UBW or Heaven's Feel IIRC. But that's somewhat natural, as her story told in the F/SN arc.


They could always just call the next one "Fate / ", and keep the route a mystery. 8-) It'd take a few episodes before a specific path is confirmed, and it'd be interesting for all involved. On the other side, they may just pull Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. The "Fate" universe is very very big, it could really be anything.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:19 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:UFOtable is going to be animating something from Fate/Stay Night.


As in... the universe, or is that a soft confirmation on Fate / Heaven's Feel? Or hell, if they did Tsukihime correctly, I'd be happy with that too.

That Fate/Stay magical girl spinoff is starting up this season too. It doesn't look as amazing as Carnival Phantasm was... but maybe it will be amusing enough to make it worth watching...


People are saying that it's Heaven's Feel but I'm not sure that it's confirmed. To be honest I'd prefer Fate or UBW by UFOtable but whatever.


Edit: In fact I think the fate route would be the best fit to pair with their F/Z.


Depends. In Fate/Zero, they explicitly mentioned that Kiritsugu is trying to complete the Heaven's Feel, and Emiya completes it in well... the Heaven's Feel arch. You've also got the completion of Sakura's transformation with the worms, all the tie-ins with Zoken. Fate / Stay Night is the "obvious" route, but Heaven's Feel has plenty of connections to Fate/Zero. Plus, its the most emo-route by far.

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The only downside is that Saber doesn't really do much in UBW or Heaven's Feel IIRC. But that's somewhat natural, as her story told in the F/SN arc.


They could always just call the next one "Fate / ", and keep the route a mystery. 8-) It'd take a few episodes before a specific path is confirmed, and it'd be interesting for all involved. On the other side, they may just pull Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. The "Fate" universe is very very big, it could really be anything.


Well of course there are tie ins but I find that Fate/Zero is ultimately about Kiritsugu and Saber, and Kotomine and Gilgamesh. I mean those are the two sets of people who end up not having some form of closure. Fate focuses on those two pairs so I think that fits best.

That being said I don't remember that Kiritsugu even knew about Heaven's Feel was... I mean I knew the Einzbern family knows what it is but I thought Kiritsugu just thought it granted wishes. If he knew the purpose of the grail was Heaven's Feel then it kinda confuses F/Z.

I do understand why people want HF though, since it's the only one not animated yet.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:37 am UTC

But if you see Fate/Zero as Kiritsugu / Irisviel...

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Then the continuation of Fate should follow the proper ending for Shiro / Ilyasviel... finishing the job of their parents and completing the Heaven's Feel. Shiro / Ilyasviel have the best working relationship in that arc, and if done properly it won't be creepy incesty... since Shiro is falling for Sakura through Heaven's Feel IIRC. Lets hope for a good, clean, Brother / Sister feel to that.


Zoken is also introduced as a very strong villain in Fate/Zero. Neither F/SN nor F/UBW have proper closure for Zoken... or hell... seem to mention him at all. As for Kirei... he's a baller in all three routes 8-). Fate/Heaven's Feel gives good Ilyasviel, Zoken, and Sakura... Don't get me wrong... I like me my Saber and Gilgamesh route, but there are so many characters who have an unresolved story in F/SN.

Shiro acts most like Kiritsugu through Heaven's Feel as well...

Spoiler:
Kiritsugu kills his father to save the world from Dead Apostles. Later, he repeats his actions as he kills his mother figure in Fate/Zero to save the world from killer zombie bees (erm... Dead Apostles). In Heaven's Feel, Shiro will have the same decision. Should Shiro _easily_ save the world, and kill Sakura? Or will he betray his ideals and instead try to save his friend?


The Kiritsugu / Shiro parallel in F/SN or F/UBWs is practically non-existent. If we stuck with F/SN... Shiro's attitude is pretty much "I'm the Shonen-Hero!!!", and doesn't have to face any tough decisions.

Plus, if F/SN route was going to happen, then I demand a proper Fate/Zero Saber x Gilgamesh fight. But UFOTable didn't give me that.

Spoiler:
Fate/Zero (the anime) missed out on a ton of the drama between Saber / Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh IIRC didn't propose to Saber, there was practically no fight scene, and they've barely interacted with each other. Hell... one of the "oh shit" moments of F/SN was when you realized that the 8th servant even existed. Seeing Gilgamesh still alive at the end of Fate/Zero kinda ruins that surprise. F/SN doesn't really match well with the anime interpretation of F/Zero.


Well of course there are tie ins but I find that Fate/Zero is ultimately about Kiritsugu and Saber, and Kotomine and Gilgamesh. I mean those are the two sets of people who end up not having some form of closure. Fate focuses on those two pairs so I think that fits best.


Saber and Gil get screwed in the other two arcs. (I mean, Saber is technically screwed in the first arc, but thats not what I meant). So... yeah... Heaven's Feel just doesn't have the time to focus on those two characters. But personally, I think the parallels between Kiritsugu / Emiya, Irisviel / Ilya are stronger in Fate/HF. I honestly think that HF follows Fate/Zero much stronger than any of the other arcs.

Frankly, the best connection in F/SN and the anime adoption of Fate/Zero is the Dagger of Azoth Irony. The Dagger of Azoth Irony has its best performance in Fate/Stay Night. :D :D
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:52 am UTC

Spoiler:
Gilgamesh does 'propose' in F/Z


And F/Z is really supposed to be read/viewed AFTER F/SN anyway so that isn't a property of 'anime F/Z' it's a property of F/Z in general since it's a prequel. Still, consider the narrative of F/Z. It ends with:

Spoiler:
Saber questioning herself and her ideals.
Kiritsugu being completely destroyed and giving up after finding Shiro.
Kotomine and Gilgamesh wanting more.

Every other major character gets closure to their story and the only open ends that really need to be addressed are addressed in Fate and no other.

Also:
Spoiler:
The Emiya (Kiritsugu) vs Kotomine saga isn't closed by the end of F/Z with Kotomine seeing that Kiritsugu was no longer himself and thus not finishing the fight. This gets finished in Fate.

The Saber vs Gilgamesh fight that ends up as a no contest when Kiritsugu interupts and orders Saber destroy the grail gets finished in Fate.


It's literally the only path that provides proper closure to what UFOtable has animated in F/Z.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:58 pm UTC

Danganronpu episode 2 = super rushed. Though It's one cour and based on what I read they will have to rush the rest too to get everything in the anime.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:32 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
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Gilgamesh does 'propose' in F/Z


I'm pretty sure he does in the visual novel, but I somehow don't remember it in the anime.

And F/Z is really supposed to be read/viewed AFTER F/SN anyway so that isn't a property of 'anime F/Z' it's a property of F/Z in general since it's a prequel. Still, consider the narrative of F/Z. It ends with:

Spoiler:
Saber questioning herself and her ideals.
Kiritsugu being completely destroyed and giving up after finding Shiro.
Kotomine and Gilgamesh wanting more.

Every other major character gets closure to their story and the only open ends that really need to be addressed are addressed in Fate and no other.


Spoiler:
It also ends with:
Kariya Mato failing to save Sakura & Zoken's plan for the next war beginning. F/HF gives proper closure to this.
Tosaka sisters Rin and Sakura are also split from each other, with Rin's family utterly destroyed (losing mother, father, and sister). In F/HF, the sisters have a proper reunion.

From my perspective, its either the completion of Saber / Gilgamesh storyline (F/SN path)... or the completion of Sakura and Zoken storyline (F/HF path). I admit, Saber doesn't get much time in Heaven's Feel, so that is a point towards F/SN.

But Kiritsugu's saga continues in the form of Shiro only in Heaven's Feel. Kiritsugu has lost his daughter Ilya (as Kiritsugu is cast out from the Einzbern family), he has lost his ideals, and he has sacrificed everything for nothing. His journey to keep killing to save the world has only ended in despair for him. I argue that Heaven's Feel offers a better closure to Kiritsugu's saga. Again, Shiro / Ilya reunite and work together, symbolic of their relationship as lost brother / sister. Shiro faces similar challenges to Kiritsugu.

As for Kotomine, he gets "more" in every path. Heaven's Feel is a proper ending for him, both F/SN and F/HF are tied as far as this character is concerned. Gilgamesh prefers F/SN, but Kotomine witnessing the 5th Grail happens in both F/SN and F/HF, so "Team Kirie" works in both.


Also:
Spoiler:
The Emiya (Kiritsugu) vs Kotomine saga isn't closed by the end of F/Z with Kotomine seeing that Kiritsugu was no longer himself and thus not finishing the fight. This gets finished in Fate.

The Saber vs Gilgamesh fight that ends up as a no contest when Kiritsugu interupts and orders Saber destroy the grail gets finished in Fate.


Spoiler:
Kotomine helps Shiro in Heaven's Feel so that the Grail can be completed. True end also has fisticuffs near-death death-match between Kotomine and Shiro, leading to a proper (alternative) closure to Kiritsugu vs Kotimine. (I admit that I prefer Dagger of Azoth Irony version, but this works too). This satisfies both "Kotomine wants more" (he sees the final Grail completed for realz), and finishes the death match. Bonus points to Ilyasviel completing her mother's task of becoming the Grail and the splitting image of Zoken's original love.


Basically, Heaven's Feel gives you an alternative ending. Less focus on Saber and Gilgamesh... but a far stronger focus on other characters. I don't think it is as clear cut as you imply.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:08 pm UTC

I feel like you're just pointing out the links with F/Z. There is, of course, going to be links to F/Z with any route, but those links are links that are still perfectly fine if never addressed. I mean the closure of their storyarcs in F/Z is good enough that it doesn't necessarily need reopening. Whereas the story arcs that Fate closes are the ones that F/Z explicitly left open and ended with in the final scenes.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:21 pm UTC

An interesting idea popped up, that will almost certainly never happen, but would be amazing if it did...

Imagine if UTOtable's new F/SN anime is actually written by Urobuchi and Nasu together, and the protagonist is Illya as Kiritsugu's daughter who summons Saber to win the grail (whose true nature she doesn't yet know) and the whole story is written like a sequel to F/Z rather than an adaption of F/SN. How fucking amazing would that be!?


Edit: Either that or all three routes with mixed chronology would be awesome.



Edit2:

Gatchaman Crowds: First thought it was just really weird and the MC's hair pissed me off. Now it's just really really awesome.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:18 am UTC

Does anybody know the manga Gokukoku no Brynhildr?

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I don't really buy the setting. Being cruel to people you just want to experiment on for a short while, okay. But I believe it doesn't make sense to treat human weapons like that if you want to keep them for a while.

For one you probably would be able to find people who volunteer to get a harness for a good amount of money. (At least once the operation has a good survival chance). And then you would probably try to make their lives nice and comfortable. (Though with movement restriction for the secrecy.)

It doesn't make sense to give people superpowers and then antagonize them so much that they are ready to go on rampages like the one in chapter 42.

Sure they can kill them, but if someones live sucks and he hates your guts they might kill you anyway.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:00 am UTC

PeteP: Characters who are supposed to be rational are very rarely written to be rational, it is very sad.



In other news Uchouten Kazoku continues to be amazing and is pretty much the anime of the season.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:06 pm UTC

Well, as expected "Fate / Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya" is filled with trolling. Not quite as much trolling as Carnival Phantasm, but enough trolling to keep me interested. The art style is really freaking weird though. The female characters mostly have adapted a look from Fate/Extra, but the male characters all look wrong in ways that I don't understand.

Spoiler:
There's nothing like a Magic Girl casting "Gae Bulg" and utterly owning Rider's Bellerophon.


Also, the Fate/Stay visual references are great, although few in number so far.

Spoiler:
Image

Ilya, you WILL be a magical girl!


And if you haven't seen the original...

Spoiler:
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On an Attack on Titan (Shingeki no kyojin) note, dialogue filled episode was awesome, and greatly increased the depth of the anime. It significantly renewed my interest into the show.

Spoiler:
The only explanation for the events that happened in episode 15, is that someone is working with the Titans in some capacity. Either by controlling them directly, or otherwise benefiting from the Titan attacks. Its vague... but its the only real explanation for why someone would sabotage Hanji Zoe's experiments. It adds a new level of politics to Eren Jager's ability to turn into a Titan as well... as Eren is most definitely a "rogue Titan" in that group's eyes.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:05 pm UTC

I had some hope for danganronpa at first, but they are to intent on keeping close to the source while at the same time cutting content. That just doesn't work for a video game, at least I have never seen it working except for comedy. The evidence bullets and stuff like that are a game mechanic and don't belong into an adaption in an anime. Well it at least in my opinion.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:58 pm UTC

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:04 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Video game mechanics happening in my anime?


Despite the Umineko anime being crap compared to the VN, that was actually really awesome.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Derek » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

Eh? It made no sense and was one of the dumber parts of the show. Actually the whole meta logic of that show made no sense. Perhaps it would have been better explained in a second season, but after the first (and only) season I was in no mood for more.

Higurashi was so much better.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:26 pm UTC

Derek wrote:Actually the whole meta logic of that show made no sense.


It made perfect sense.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:35 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:Video game mechanics happening in my anime?


Despite the Umineko anime being crap compared to the VN, that was actually really awesome.


The red text was actually very well animated. I liked that part. The main problem IIRC, was that the complete amount of "red text" was not yet given in the anime, which means a significant portion of the mystery remains untold. At best, Umineko is a partially told mystery :( :( And obviously, the entire second half of the anime is missing... but even then, the first half is only partially told. Which... ruins a logic-based mystery anime.

After Higurashi, I have trust in the author's ability to add dramatic supernatural elements to the story, without resorting to a supernatural explanation to the mystery. (Indeed, Umineko plays upon that trust, by explicitly making you wonder if the author cheated. Obviously... the author didn't cheat with magic, otherwise, it wouldn't be a story worth telling) But... without the 2nd season continuing Umineko... its definitely not going to ever be as good as Higurashi was.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:19 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:Video game mechanics happening in my anime?


Despite the Umineko anime being crap compared to the VN, that was actually really awesome.


The red text was actually very well animated. I liked that part. The main problem IIRC, was that the complete amount of "red text" was not yet given in the anime, which means a significant portion of the mystery remains untold. At best, Umineko is a partially told mystery :( :( And obviously, the entire second half of the anime is missing... but even then, the first half is only partially told. Which... ruins a logic-based mystery anime.

After Higurashi, I have trust in the author's ability to add dramatic supernatural elements to the story, without resorting to a supernatural explanation to the mystery. (Indeed, Umineko plays upon that trust, by explicitly making you wonder if the author cheated. Obviously... the author didn't cheat with magic, otherwise, it wouldn't be a story worth telling) But... without the 2nd season continuing Umineko... its definitely not going to ever be as good as Higurashi was.


Yup they fucked up Umineko pretty bad, but the implementation of the red itself wasn't bad... just the fact that they only went half way with the adaption, both in the sense of only doing half of the first part and also in the sense of not adapting Chiru.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Vash » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

SciJo wrote:That said, Watamote is one show I've been interested in since I've enjoyed the manga from the bits I've read of it. It's one of those awkward comedies, where the humor comes from the situations rather then any upfront jokes.


Thanks to your post, I've been forcing myself through those scenes as much as possible. I don't regret it.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Xeio » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:37 pm UTC

[c] was weird.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SlyReaper » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:56 pm UTC

C as in the economy-themed anime? That was indeed somewhat weird.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Jorpho » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:43 am UTC

I finally watched the new Berserk movies recently. I saw the last two episodes of the anime sometime shortly after they came out at a time when I had not seen too much anime; needless to say they left a weighty impression on me.

Looking at an episode or two of the Abridged Series leaves me with the impression that it really was exceptionally well-done on a technical level – while they may not have had the budget and technology used for the movies, it's quite amazing what they managed to pull off. But perhaps my mind is playing tricks on me. Is it in fact regarded as being particularly well-done, particularly in comparison to more recent series?

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:17 am UTC

I don't know what other people thought about it but I found the movies to be absolutely terrible on almost every single level. Terribel CGI, terrible animation, mediocre backgrounds, horrendous storyboarding, completely untakable plot and filled to the brim with immature 'grimdark'. Maybe thats just me though.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Derek » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:37 am UTC

SlyReaper wrote:C as in the economy-themed anime? That was indeed somewhat weird.

I need to watch this.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:50 am UTC

Derek wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:C as in the economy-themed anime? That was indeed somewhat weird.

I need to watch this.


It's only economy themed, it is nothing like Spice and Wolf or anything like that.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby SlyReaper » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:12 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
Derek wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:C as in the economy-themed anime? That was indeed somewhat weird.

I need to watch this.


It's only economy themed, it is nothing like Spice and Wolf or anything like that.

It's pretty much a fighting anime, but using money instead of hitpoints. And this translates to riches or poverty in the real world. Oh and there's some apocalyptic stock market shenanigans going on too.

C: because money definitely works that way.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Jorpho » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:57 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:I don't know what other people thought about it but I found the movies to be absolutely terrible on almost every single level. Terribel CGI, terrible animation, mediocre backgrounds, horrendous storyboarding, completely untakable plot and filled to the brim with immature 'grimdark'. Maybe thats just me though.
Well, by comparison, have you seen something lately with excellent CGI and excellent animation, etc?

(I don't think I can ever recall anyone commenting on an anime having excellent CGI – possibly because when it's excellent, one tends not to ntoice that it is there.)

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Gelsamel » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:36 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:I don't know what other people thought about it but I found the movies to be absolutely terrible on almost every single level. Terribel CGI, terrible animation, mediocre backgrounds, horrendous storyboarding, completely untakable plot and filled to the brim with immature 'grimdark'. Maybe thats just me though.
Well, by comparison, have you seen something lately with excellent CGI and excellent animation, etc?

(I don't think I can ever recall anyone commenting on an anime having excellent CGI – possibly because when it's excellent, one tends not to ntoice that it is there.)


I thought SnK's use of CGI (Backgrounds only) was great. Fate/Zero's use on Berserker was also good, mostly just because it was really high quality but also partially because For Someone's Glory is supposed to make Berserker look otherworldy so it fits well that the CGI doesn't look absolutely perfect.

That being said, CGI is virtually never good, which is why it's so strange that they chose to feature it so prominently in those movies.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:53 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:
Gelsamel wrote:I don't know what other people thought about it but I found the movies to be absolutely terrible on almost every single level. Terribel CGI, terrible animation, mediocre backgrounds, horrendous storyboarding, completely untakable plot and filled to the brim with immature 'grimdark'. Maybe thats just me though.
Well, by comparison, have you seen something lately with excellent CGI and excellent animation, etc?

(I don't think I can ever recall anyone commenting on an anime having excellent CGI – possibly because when it's excellent, one tends not to ntoice that it is there.)


The Girl who Leapt through Time ??? (Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk9SAmD00Iw)

Extremely good (anime) movie, I highly recommend it. Apparently, "Summer Wars" is also good, but I've only seen one of Mamoru Hosoda's stuff so far. The use of CGI to represent the time-leap was jarring, as it always is... but an extremely good use of the "jarring" feel when CGI and and hand drawn anime are matched up. People also say good things about Summer War's use of CGI to represent Oz (I mean... the Digi-world... :-p)
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