Izawwlgood wrote:Spoiler:BW - Oh, I don't think the statement was 'I'm a monster because I can't have children', I think the statement was 'I'm a woman who can't have children, and that lets me be a monster'. It seems a borderline iffy-ish line to me, and sure, her guilt is over her murderific past, but then there's the whole chumming with Hawkeye's family and having a kid named after her and being maaaaaaybe jealous of Hawkeye's wife's maternity? It was just kind of a sloppy point.
Which is a real shame, because the way they were building with Hulk there was the potential for some characterization, but instead, we get Tony Starks admittedly awesome Hulk Buster Suit beating up
some cityan enraged-er Hulk.
Ultimately, it just seemed kind of pointless. It was backstory in a that somehow managed to NOT increase our connection to the character, because in the same sequence that humanized her (choices made for her, she's tough but sensitive, a shitty Russian all girls assassins Hogwarts), it also demonized her (she's a fucking assassin who I guess is a monster because she doesn't feel guilt? or does now? because of some weird magic vision/mindfuck?).
Her answer isn't that she belongs. It's that she feels guilt over the terrible things she's done.
The magic didn't make her this way. It merely brought the existing fear back to the surface. Just as it did for everyone else.
Spoiler:The whole Scarlet Witch mind control thing was just extremely poorly handled - I wish they'd done away with it entirely and used some other mechanism to have the Avengers discussing their pasts and motivations.
Where they supposed to be 'visions of your fears' or 'visions of the future'? Why not just place Iron Man in a room of decadence and alcohol and talk about his struggles with addiction? Why not have Thor watch his mother die and the laughing face of Loki as Asgard burns? Shouldn't Steve be failing to protect people, everyone, instead of... kind of realizing he likes the fight and couldn't step away from it?
Skipping spoilers now, because...well, it's the movie thread, and this isn't THAT spoileriffic anyway.
Straight up visions of your fears. Steve's fear isn't failing. Look at him when he contemplates a fight they can't win. That doesn't phase him in the slightest. His recurring theme is that he's the person out of place. Look at literally everything he's in. He's portrayed as not fitting in whenever he's outside of a military context, and he explicitly finds confort in a military setting. They basically use the same "hey, military guys marching, I feel at home now" bit that they used in exactly the same way in Avengers 1. He's not afraid of fighting, or even afraid of losing. He's afraid of the fight ending.
Likewise, Tony is not defined by his fear of alcohol. Or at least, MCU Tony isn't. MCU Tony basically has PTSD, as seen in Iron Man 3, and the resulting insecurities, etc from that are ALL over this movie. He IS afraid of the fight.
And that basic split will probably drive the Civil War plot.