V for Vendetta Movie (spoiler alert!)

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Did you like the movie?

no, but I liked the comic
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4%
no, but I haven't read the comic
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6%
no, but I didn't like the comic
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No votes
yes, but comic=good
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yes, but comic=something I really need to read
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56%
yes, but comic=bad and my taste is horrible
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1%
 
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V for Vendetta Movie (spoiler alert!)

Postby Rodan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:28 pm UTC

I'm just wondering what you thought of the movie adaptation of V for Vendetta.
I liked it to a point, they seemed to stick to the comic...
and then it went downhill. There was a romantic subplot, cops getting killed for no particular reason (those brothers seem to like that kind of thing...), gigantic, unexplained amounts of costumes, and dead people not being dead for no particular reason...

What about you guys?

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Postby Jesse » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:30 pm UTC

Minus the romantic subplot it was great.

Also, the people were still dead. The final scene was a way of showing that, really, V is all of us, those who stand up for a cause, those where are hurt or killed by it. Everyone.

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Postby Rodan » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:33 pm UTC

[grumble]still a weird scene[/grumble]

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Postby Jesse » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:36 pm UTC

Rodan wrote:[grumble]still a weird scene[/grumble]


When you're trying to compress an idea that really takes at least a paragraph to explain, probably a page to really explain, visual images are the best.

Also, the costumes were explained. V sent one out to every single person in England, you saw them being delivered. So that when they swept down onto Parliament no-one could be singled out for punishment. The individual was lost as they became part of a sweeping revolution.

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Postby Narsil » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:24 pm UTC

I liked this movie enough to forgive the Wachowski brothers for the last two Matrix films. That should say something.

Also, there should be an option for "Yes, I liked the movie, but I have not and do not plan to read the comic." There is absolutely nothing I feel like I would gain from reading it.
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Postby Belial » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:07 am UTC

Also, there should be an option for "Yes, I liked the movie, but I have not and do not plan to read the comic." There is absolutely nothing I feel like I would gain from reading it.


For some reason, it bothers me when people say something like that.

But I can't put my finger on why.

Oh well.

Anyway, saw the movie, read the comic, liked them both a lot.
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Postby Narsil » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:14 am UTC

Would it make you feel better if I said that after I find the cash to purchase and complete the purchase of the complete "Sandman" series, I would find V for Vendetta and read that?
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Postby Belial » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:48 am UTC

Hahah. Since I don't even know why it bothers me, you hardly have to appease me. How far are you into sandman, out of curiousity?
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Postby Narsil » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:51 am UTC

Ahm...right at the part where I look at the shelf longingly and realize that buying all volumes would set me back $220 so I instead walk out of the comic shop with an $8 copy of American Gods.
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Postby Belial » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:01 am UTC

I wonder if it would be cheaper to buy the big hardbound books that are each three books long?
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Postby Bakemaster » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:10 am UTC

When I saw the trailer I was convinced they were going to butcher it. They put fucking contrails on thrown knives. But it was actually very good. The comic is still better, and my biggest beef is that they removed a lot of the feeling of moral ambiguity around what V was doing. As comic book adaptations go it's definitely one of the better ones; as a stand-alone movie, it's very good; overall it still falls into the "book was better" category.

The casting in the movie was also superb, except for Natalie Portman.
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Postby Castaway » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:32 am UTC

I have only seen the movie, and I enjoyed it, but I have no interest in reading the comic. I liked the movie because of the filmmaking, not the plot, so I don't really give a shit what they "butchered".

The best part of the movie though is when Natalie Portman is crying while her hair is being cut. HATELARIOUS!
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Postby ShadeWolf » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:46 am UTC

I liked the movie, and i think having Hugo Weaving play V was very cool
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Postby Malice » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:17 am UTC

I enjoyed the movie more than the book. I think the graphic novel was overlong, the computer part was stupid, the visuals were annoyingly fuzzy, and the plot was rather confusing, even after I'd seen the movie.

I think the Wachowski's intensified the story by clarifying it, in terms of both the visuals and the writing.

I don't think it's the greatest movie ever made (the Wachowskis have their weak points, too), but I prefer it to the comic. Not that the comic was horrible; just not as good.

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Postby Bakemaster » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:31 am UTC

Malice wrote:I think the Wachowski's intensified the story by clarifying it, in terms of both the visuals and the writing.

Yes, in the same way that one might "intensify" a painting by recoloring it with sharpie markers.
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Postby Mother Superior » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:33 am UTC

I thought it was very excellent indeed, having not read the comic but being who I am I of course read up extensively on what they changed via Wikipedia. Still, it seems they stuck pretty close to the source material, and the movie kicked ass. And it had Stephen Fry in it, which can never be a bad thing.
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Postby GMontag » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:53 am UTC

I thought the movie was half decent and better than most other comic book adaptations, but the way they changed the whole intent of V's actions really bugged me. It turned it from something timeless (a discussion about anarchism and personal responsibility versus government) into something cliche and dateable (a rant, deserved but poorly executed, against the current administrations of the US and England). Also, they cut out the two most powerful monologues and added in that insipid paragraph of alliteration instead.

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Postby semicolon » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:11 am UTC

GMontag wrote:added in that insipid paragraph of alliteration instead.

Yeah, insipidly awesome!

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Postby Jesse » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:32 am UTC

Yeah, the alliteration really worked, and immediately turned V into a memorable character for the film audience.

Know what I can't stand? When the film is exactly the same as the book, why would I watch the film then? Since I've read the book. It's like when you remake a film, or do a cover version of a song. You keep the core in place, but put your own interpretation over the top of it.

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Postby Zohar » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:07 pm UTC

My only regret is that I bought my own copy of the comic after the movie was released, so it has a "Now a major motion picture!" line on it, even though I read it about five years earlier.

Still not as bad as my copy of I, Robot which has Will Smith on the cover, though...
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Postby Mother Superior » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:25 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Still not as bad as my copy of I, Robot which has Will Smith on the cover, though...

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Postby Castaway » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:20 pm UTC

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Seriously, it's pretty useless to compare movies to books. It's like comparing apples to chairs.
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Postby Rodan » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:29 pm UTC

Jesster wrote:
Rodan wrote:[grumble]still a weird scene[/grumble]


When you're trying to compress an idea that really takes at least a paragraph to explain, probably a page to really explain, visual images are the best.

Also, the costumes were explained. V sent one out to every single person in England, you saw them being delivered. So that when they swept down onto Parliament no-one could be singled out for punishment. The individual was lost as they became part of a sweeping revolution.

what I mean is where did he get that many costumes???

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Postby Zohar » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:43 pm UTC

Castaway wrote:It's like comparing apples to chairs.


Apples win, obviously. You can make delicious cakes from them and you can substitute chairs for bean bags or sofas!
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Postby Rodan » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:45 pm UTC

oh come on, chairs pwn.

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Postby semicolon » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:27 pm UTC

Rodan wrote:what I mean is where did he get that many costumes???

Wow, of all the weird plot bits to point out from V for Vendetta (how V can walk a mile or whatever to the subway station despite having been shot like 600 times -- metal sheet or not, that shit kill will you dead), that's the one you pick?

Not bashing the movie though. I loved it. Wouldn't have hurt to be a bit less subtle, but whatever.

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Postby Peshmerga » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:32 pm UTC

Why am I always with the majority on these polls.
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Peshmerga wrote:Why am I always with the majority on these polls.


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Postby Isaac Hill » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:54 pm UTC

I've only seen the movie once. I ran into some friends I hadn't seen in years, and they invited me over to watch it last year on Nov 4th. They projected the movie onto a sheet, and timed it so the first set of fireworks went off at midnight. Hopefully, they'll make this an annual tradition.

I liked it enough to get the graphic novel, which I've read twice. The only thing I remember prefering about the movie is replacing the voice of Fate, some guy pretending to be the computer that runs everything, being replaced with a normal propagandist.

As for the costumes, he'd probably been accumulating them for years. I doubt he thought, "Hey, I've got the big revolution next month. I'd better order a million robes." But, if he'd been making them a awhile, it'd probably be no trouble to knock out half a dozen or so a day, stealing material as he needs it. It's not as though a plain black cloak would be that hard to master. I'm more skeptical that everyone seemed to have the right size. You'd think at least one guy would get a cloak way to big, trip over a tail, and fall flat on his Guy Fawkes-enclosed face.

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Postby OmenPigeon » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:01 pm UTC

My biggest complaint about the movie was that they left out that song, the something Cabaret. I really wanted to hear Hugo Weaving sing.

They lost the interesting government characters, and that was sad, but expected. Coming into it I was kind of dreading that the Wachowski bros. would throw in some swooping bullet time-y shots for old time's sake and turn the whole thing into The Matrix But With Masks and Fascists Instead Of Robots. But they didn't. I was pleased.
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Postby Malice » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:14 am UTC

OmenPigeon wrote:The best part about the movie was that they left out that song, the something Cabaret.


Fixed.

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Postby Pobega » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:00 pm UTC

V for Vendetta...Quite possibly one of the best graphic novels ever written (Or at least in my opinion), and the movie wasn't half bad either. And I totally agree about the Vicious Cabaret song, that is one of the most memorable parts of the comic in my opinion, it's a shame they didn't try to bring it to life in the movie.

I don't know why everyone keeps saying Nathalie Portman was bad in that movie, she wasn't half as bad as her role in Star Wars. At least she somewhat fit the part (Although, it seems they didn't portray Evey as a 16 year old in the movie at all).

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Postby Traisenau » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:37 pm UTC

I really liked the Film, but I love the comics. And the thing which I wished they had put in it was the scene V goes up to Madame Justice, and calls her(in graphic detail) a whore who sold herself to the government, then leaves her the bomb-present and blows her up.
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Postby Rodan » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:08 am UTC

Pobega wrote:And I totally agree about the Vicious Cabaret song, that is one of the most memorable parts of the comic in my opinion, it's a shame they didn't try to bring it to life in the movie.

Agreed. I was waiting and waiting, but they didn't use it... :(
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Postby Sprocket » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:05 pm UTC

Rodan wrote:[grumble]still a weird scene[/grumble]
Yeah it was weird I suppose...but I totally understood what it was doing.
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Postby Pobega » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:29 pm UTC

Rodan wrote:
Pobega wrote:And I totally agree about the Vicious Cabaret song, that is one of the most memorable parts of the comic in my opinion, it's a shame they didn't try to bring it to life in the movie.

Agreed. I was waiting and waiting, but they didn't use it... :(
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Wow, nice find. That's pretty cool, I've never actually heard the song before, just read it a million times.

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Postby pingu » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:32 am UTC

I loved it so much I have it in hiiiiiiiiiigh definition, and have the comics (but no time to read them).

I liked it that the guy who plays the dictator-type fellow (high chancellor or something?) is the same guy that plays the main character in the movie version of 1984.

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Postby Jauss » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:29 am UTC

Isaac Hill wrote: You'd think at least one guy would get a cloak way to big, trip over a tail, and fall flat on his Guy Fawkes-enclosed face.


I laughed out loud.

I like the movie and own it, but haven't watched it in a while. I liked it better than what I read of the graphic novel (I only read part of it,) which doesn't mean I thought it was bad or anything, just that I think it confused me some and threw me off somehow IIRC. I should hunt another copy down and try reading it again eventually.
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Postby semicolon » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:08 pm UTC

pingu wrote:I liked it that the guy who plays the dictator-type fellow (high chancellor or something?) is the same guy that plays the main character in the movie version of 1984.

Oh snap! That's pretty cool.

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Malice wrote:V for Vendetta was successful, in my view. IMBD says it cost 54 million and made 70 million theatrically, which means it probably made about 140 million on DVD. I'd call that a success. In addition, it seems to have a strong following, and a decent amount of cultural influence.
All I can say is that I do not have an emote angry enough for if what you are saying is Watchmen should be more like V for Vendetta.


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