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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Slacker Virtuoso » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:33 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Are you saying that "Beale Street To Oblivion" isn't polished, with mass appeal? Hell, the song your avatar is taken from is more polished than the average Pixie track.


I probably could have explained myself better. There's definetely nothing wrong with spending time getting a recording to sound great. When I think of a song that's over polished, I suppose I'm really thinking of a song that's overproduced.... too much time spent writing a song specifically so that it appeals to a lot of people, instead of writing a song that appeals to people just because it's a good song.

"From Beale Street To Oblivion" is a great album, and I certainly think it has mass appeal, but I don't think Clutch set out trying to make an album that would appeal to a lot of people. I think they set out just trying to make an album they like, which turned out to be really, really good.

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:44 pm UTC

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no-genius wrote:
Slacker Virtuoso wrote: Nickelback is "cock".

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No, no, that's wrong. Cause I *like* cock. Nickelback != cock.

Apparently you don't get the distinction between cock and "cock".
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:56 pm UTC

Cowboy wrote:Hadn't caught the link to Clutch before. I'd heard of them before but hadn't explored it. So ZZ Top meets AC DC blah blah blah. Then I started a bit of research leaving the song play in the background. Yeah, my head started bobbing. I don't like the fact that they didn't seem to do anything especially innovative but overall, it's a good tune. I'll check 'em out. Thank you.

No, that's just their newest song, the one with polished mass appeal. If you say that Clutch doesn't do anything innovative, I urge you to listen to their earlier stuff before I kill you. I have 238 Clutch songs... if you want, I can send you some.
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Mighty Jalapeno wrote:Are you saying that "Beale Street To Oblivion" isn't polished, with mass appeal? Hell, the song your avatar is taken from is more polished than the average Pixie track.

I have not heard that song. But having heard 'Something Against You', I can imagine...

What's 'Something Against You'?

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:10 am UTC

It's a Pixies song, off Surfer Rosa. Quite loud, very good. (Doesn't sound that polished :P).

I found it live on youtubes. I have the DVD :D
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby andyvn22 » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:42 am UTC

Here's a musical thought that I'm afraid many people disagree with, though it can be extended to art of any sort:

There is a (very large) difference between the following statements:
  • I like this music.
  • This music is good.

I am quite sure I do not like a lot of good music (examples: Arnold Schönberg, John Cage, Amadeus Mozart). And I will be the first to admit I like some music that is not good (examples: Something Corporate, Jack's Mannequin, Reel Big Fish).

I don't mean "good" in a "performed well" sense, either. I mean inherent musical integrity in a work, the artistry involved in its composition. A piece can be well-crafted in many different ways, and it seems we value "true to the writer's emotions" a little too highly. There are other possible merits in a work. :)
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby I Zimbra » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:09 pm UTC

The Talking Heads' first five studio albums comprise the best run of albums in pop music. Ever. The only band that comes close is the Beatles run from Rubber Soul-Abbey Road. As corrolary to this: the Talking Heads also made the two best live albums, and the best concert film ever.

Every song needs a horn section.

Mike Patton: not all that good.

1. Jam bands are far and away more talented than all others (except in the vocal department, I will easily concede).

Talented != good. See also, Malmsteen, Yngwie
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby liza » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:30 am UTC

andyvn22 wrote:...good music (examples: ...Amadeus Mozart)....

I will contest that assertion TO THE DEATH.
But anyway, I agree totally. I mean, I love Bright Eyes but I recognize fully that it is not a band with a hell of a lot of merit.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Lleu » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:01 am UTC

- Beethoven, Bach, and Palestrina are the only people who knew how to write good music.
- Mozart and Chopin were idiots.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby paperbird » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:20 am UTC

my chemical romance and billy talent are totally not-good music

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby william » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:48 am UTC

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Punk died 30 years ago. I don't know what they are, but they aren't punk.

Punk was never alive in the first place, to be punk you have to sell out to the highest degree, because punk originally meant prositute.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mathmagic » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:55 am UTC

paperbird wrote:my chemical romance and billy talent are totally not-good music

That's an unpopular opinion?
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:48 am UTC

Lleu wrote:- Beethoven, Bach, and Palestrina are the only people who knew how to write good music.

*ahem*

Tchaikowski? (sp?)

If you are actually trying to say "Tchaikovsky", I am not going to be happy. *hates Tchaikovsky* (Also, fixed your quote tags.)

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:18 am UTC

A Smart (and sober) Moderator wrote:If you are actually trying to say "Tchaikovsky", I am not going to be happy. *hates Tchaikovsky* (Also, fixed your quote tags.)


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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Angelene » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:20 am UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
Lleu wrote:- Beethoven, Bach, and Palestrina are the only people who knew how to write good music.

*ahem*

Tchaikowski? (sp?)

If you are actually trying to say "Tchaikovsky", I am not going to be happy. *hates Tchaikovsky* (Also, fixed your quote tags.)


Hmmm, Tchaikowski... did he write the music for The Matrix?
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:25 am UTC

You all hush. I put (sp) because I wasn't sure! Also, I like him. Even so, Bach for the win (my son is named partly after him).

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby andyvn22 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:27 am UTC

Awesome mod of win wrote:If you are actually trying to say "Tchaikovsky", I am not going to be happy. *hates Tchaikovsky*


*blinks*

Have you heard Romeo & Juliet?

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I'd much rather move Mozart out of the "good" category than die. I don't like him much anyway, he's a bit of a drunken fool. Now Beethoven... there's a genius.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby thefiddler » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:35 am UTC

andyvn22 wrote:
Correct moderator wrote:If you are actually trying to say "Tchaikovsky", I am not going to be happy. *hates Tchaikovsky*

*blinks*

Have you heard Romeo & Juliet?

YES. I HAVE.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Shizo » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:43 am UTC

this thread is a lie. everyone agrees with each other.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:51 am UTC

andyvn22 wrote:There is a (very large) difference between the following statements:
  • I like this music.
  • This music is good.

Depends entirely on your definition of good. Also music :P
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Bakemaster » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:06 pm UTC

xooll wrote:Unpopular Musical Opinion: Jazz mostly sucks.

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby dubsola » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:27 am UTC

Bakemaster wrote:
xooll wrote:Unpopular Musical Opinion: Jazz mostly sucks.

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It fails, because xooll, hate to break it to you, but a lot of people think jazz sucks. That's not an unpopular opinion.

It's a stupid opinion, made by people who can go headbutt a football, but you're welcome to it nonetheless.

andyvn22 wrote:Here's a musical thought that I'm afraid many people disagree with, though it can be extended to art of any sort:

There is a (very large) difference between the following statements:
  • I like this music.
  • This music is good.
I agree with your opinion.

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:51 pm UTC

dubsola wrote:
andyvn22 wrote:There is a (very large) difference between the following statements:
  • I like this music.
  • This music is good.
I agree with your opinion.

But if you defined 'good music' to be 'music I like', there would be no contradiction. :P
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mathmagic » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:23 pm UTC

no-genius wrote:
dubsola wrote:
andyvn22 wrote:There is a (very large) difference between the following statements:
  • I like this music.
  • This music is good.
I agree with your opinion.

But if you defined 'good music' to be 'music I like', there would be no contradiction. :P

That's... why you don't define it that way? Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.

See: Yellowcard, Billy Talent (as already mentioned), etc.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby clayasaurus » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:10 pm UTC

"Indie" fans are tools

if someone tells me I would like elliott smith because i like boards of canada ill scream

because
a) wow, no
b) who hasnt heard e.smith
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:19 pm UTC

clayasaurus wrote:b) who hasnt heard e.smith

Me?

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby clayasaurus » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:28 pm UTC

then go unto the internet

and acquire
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:49 pm UTC

clayasaurus wrote:then go unto the internet

and acquire

No?

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:06 pm UTC

mathmagic wrote:Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.


Speak for yourself.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby clayasaurus » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:54 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
clayasaurus wrote:then go unto the internet

and acquire

No?


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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby d3adf001 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:12 am UTC

beatles are the most overrated band then comes zepplin then nirvana(still like them tho). hardcore is dead and died before i was born. the accordion IS cool and so are bagpipes. punching the ground isnt cool. neither is fashioncore. the descendants are the cause of emo (please dont kill me, but its a small price to pay for their music). ska WAS cool in 6th grade.

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mathmagic » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:27 am UTC

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mathmagic wrote:Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.


Speak for yourself.

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby clayasaurus » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:00 am UTC

yeah I like sugar ray, and theyre the biggest sellouts ever

they used to be a metal band
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:41 am UTC

clayasaurus wrote:yeah I like sugar ray, and theyre the biggest sellouts ever

they used to be a metal band

More SoCal Punk, but yeah, I was always just blown away whenever one of their songs would get played on the radio, realizing that only the songs that sounded the LEAST like the majority of their material made it to the radio. This makes me wonder if Maroon 5 is actually a metal band...

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby dubsola » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:33 am UTC

mathmagic wrote:
The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:
mathmagic wrote:Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.


Speak for yourself.

I stand by my conjecture.
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:58 am UTC

Fine :P

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:52 pm UTC

mathmagic wrote:
no-genius wrote:But if you defined 'good music' to be 'music I like', there would be no contradiction. :P

That's... why you don't define it that way? Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.

See: Yellowcard, Billy Talent (as already mentioned), etc.


Bleh. But that still makes 'good music' completely subjective. And I'm fairly sure that most of the music I like is good music. I wouldn't say it is all the good music, because that would just be silly.

Edit: maybe Hot Chip? But they are good!
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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby clayasaurus » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:55 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
clayasaurus wrote:yeah I like sugar ray, and theyre the biggest sellouts ever

they used to be a metal band

More SoCal Punk, but yeah, I was always just blown away whenever one of their songs would get played on the radio, realizing that only the songs that sounded the LEAST like the majority of their material made it to the radio. This makes me wonder if Maroon 5 is actually a metal band...


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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby Mathmagic » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:03 pm UTC

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mathmagic wrote:
no-genius wrote:But if you defined 'good music' to be 'music I like', there would be no contradiction. :P

That's... why you don't define it that way? Come on now, we all have that music that you just know doesn't have any musical integrity, but you like it.

See: Yellowcard, Billy Talent (as already mentioned), etc.


Bleh. But that still makes 'good music' completely subjective. And I'm fairly sure that most of the music I like is good music. I wouldn't say it is all the good music, because that would just be silly.

Edit: maybe Hot Chip? But they are good I like the way they sound!

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Re: Unpopular Musical Opinions

Postby no-genius » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:31 pm UTC

mathmagic wrote:
no-genius wrote:Edit: maybe Hot Chip? But they are good I like the way they sound, and have no other way to determine greatness!

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