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Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby ArgonV » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:24 pm UTC

Over here, censorship on the radio used to be pretty rare. You could say what you want or sing what you want, and you'd never get censored. The last few years, that has been changing. Some stations start censoring songs, which I find ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is the couple of examples I heard today.

First of all they broadcast Lily Allen's Fuck You (obviously NSFW). Integral. No censorship. Even if half of the song is her singing 'Fuck You'. Couple of hours later, same station played Not Fair, by the same Lily Allen. A certain part goes like this:
Well I lie here in the wet patch, in the middle of the bed
I'm feeling pretty hard done by, I spent ages giving head
Then I remember all the nice things that you've ever said to me
Maybe I'm just overreacting, maybe your the one for me
They censor out 'wet patch' and 'giving head'. What the hell? What's so offensive about that?

Secondly Kesha's 'Your love is my drug'. At a certain point, she sings something along the lines of 'I'm a lovesick crackhead'. They censor 'crackhead'. But 'drug' is no problem. I don't get it.

Then Rammstein's 'Ich tu dir weh' is obviously about S&M. Yet this isn't offensive enough? Or is it because it's German and very little people would understand it? I mean, this should be censored then as well.

It's really weird, can anyone clear this up?

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Midnight » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:51 am UTC

ArgonV wrote:They censor out 'wet patch' and 'giving head'. What the hell? What's so offensive about that?

it's overtly sexual. i agree it's better than yelling 'fuck you', but it's overtly sexual.

argonV wrote:Secondly Kesha's 'Your love is my drug'. At a certain point, she sings something along the lines of 'I'm a lovesick crackhead'. They censor 'crackhead'. But 'drug' is no problem. I don't get it.

Cause crack is worse than drugs? drug is a word that could mean heroin or aspirin, whereas crack means crack? I dunno.
argonV wrote:Then Rammstein's 'Ich tu dir weh' is obviously about S&M. Yet this isn't offensive enough? Or is it because it's German and very little people would understand it? I mean, this should be censored then as well.

Yes. It's because I have no idea what that means, and very little americans know what it means. if i wrote a sex-ridden song in cambodian, nobody from america that wasn't cambodian (ie, most americans) would know. or care.
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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby ArgonV » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:17 pm UTC

Well, I'm Dutch. Overtly sexual is relative. There was a programme on the public broadcasting networks where they hired porn stars to demonstrate sex acts in graphic detail. Which was broadcast at 21:00, so I doubt a few lyrics in a song will be found offensive by the majority of the Dutch public.

Secondly, over here crack = drugs. Drugs is just a term for anything psychotropic. Pharmaceutical drugs are called 'medicijnen' here, like medicine. So there's really not a large difference between crack or drugs and crackhead is hardly very offensive language.

German and Dutch are closely related. I think 90% of Dutch people could tell you that it means 'I hurt you'. What I meant by very little people getting it, was the censors themselves? Like how they'd use 'frell' in Farscape and 'frak' in BSG, which are for all intents and purposes similar to fuck, yet somehow less offensive.

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Dasboard » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:50 pm UTC

Dutch here too and I can second what above poster said.

But I'm adding my own opinion on cencorship. Cencorship is just a futile attempt to hide what doesn't agree with your point of view. It's incredibly short sighted and stupid. It comes from a society which takes things to seriously and which has a one dimensional view. You have to look at things in perspective. ( remember Rock around the clock? )

The argument that it might be offensive is bullshit. Art should not be taken personally. Because art is not literally aimed at you. Some artists use swearing, or other offensive things to gain attention and succes, so they can deliver their message to the masses. ( Southpark, Marilyn Manson. ) Of course, a lot of people will disagree with what Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, etc.. have to say but that doesn't mean you have to be offended about it. And no, it will not cause your kids to become anti-social freaks who do drugs and fuck anything that walks. ( That's Slim Shady right there. )

tl;dr: All cencorship is stupid.
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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby dubsola » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:20 pm UTC

ArgonV wrote:What's even more ridiculous is the couple of examples I heard today.

I've noticed this too, lately. Quite strange! Hip-hop comes off quite badly - "I was smokin' on a ***".

Lily Allen wrote:Well I lie here in the wet patch, in the middle of the bed
I'm feeling pretty hard done by, I spent ages giving head

God bless you, Lily. :D

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Pastinator » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:32 pm UTC

I don't understand how Lily can spend ages giving head to a guy who she implies finishes too early, either she's not as good as she claims, or he's doing it on purpose, and isn't as much of a nice guy as she claims!

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby ArgonV » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:26 pm UTC

Maybe she likes giving, but he doesn't like receiving?

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby sje46 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:23 am UTC

Maybe some censorship is stupid. Maybe most. Do we want to show children being raped and stabbed on PBS? Do we want our children to be exposed to racist porn? Yeah...no. We need censorship. Not a lot, fine.

By the way, I don't recall the "giving head" part of Talk A Walk on the Wild Side being censored.

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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Vox Imperatoris » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:29 am UTC

Dasboard wrote:But I'm adding my own opinion on cencorship. Cencorship is just a futile attempt to hide what doesn't agree with your point of view. It's incredibly short sighted and stupid. It comes from a society which takes things to seriously and which has a one dimensional view. You have to look at things in perspective. ( remember Rock around the clock? )

The argument that it might be offensive is bullshit. Art should not be taken personally. Because art is not "literally" aimed at you. Some artists use swearing, or other offensive things to gain attention and succes, so they can deliver their message to the masses. ( Southpark, Marilyn Manson. ) Of course, a lot of people will disagree with what Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, etc.. have to say but that doesn't mean you have to be offended about it. And no, it will not cause your kids to become anti-social freaks who do drugs and fuck anything that walks. ( That's Slim Shady right there. )

tl;dr: All cencorship is stupid.


Well, I agree that the government should not step in and censor the radio, television, internet, or anything else, but on the other hand, content providers can and should limit what they show on their networks, if the people on the receiving end generally do not wish to see or hear those things. If an "artist" is being deliberately offensive and provocative in order to get attention and stir up media controversy, you don't have an obligation to put up with that crap or have it broadcast in your house or car. One does not need to be exposed to every sort of idiotic and offensive point of view in art and culture on the radio any more than one needs to be exposed to Communists and Holocaust deniers in mainstream political debate. Now, if you want to watch trash, more power to you, but it doesn't make you a better person, and it doesn't make any given network any worse to block certain things from being shown on it, if those things have no redeeming value.

And children do learn from what they see on television or hear on the radio, especially if their parents don't do anything to counteract it and give them proper messages. I'm no Tipper Gore-esque moral crusader, but that's pretty obvious if you've ever heard a four-year-old running around screaming curse words that he picked up somewhere. Parents need to be able to censor certain materials because there are some things that children simply shouldn't watch until they are mature enough to handle them properly.

Basically, I'm not in favor of this ever-coarser, ever-looser, ever more permissive society that we seem to be moving towards. I'm not a social conservative; I don't believe that any sort of non-aggressive behaviors ought to be banned, but there's a wide gap between legally banning something and having it totally accepted by society on all levels. Liberty does not mean freedom from the consequences of being an idiot, and one of those consequences should be societal censorship of those who seem not to know what is appropriate to discuss in public and what isn't, or whose views are completely moronic. And that's not to say I don't find things like Southpark amusing sometimes, but they have a certain place; that's all (although some programs simply have no place at all).
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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Dasboard » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:17 pm UTC

Well, I agree that the government should not step in and censor the radio, television, internet, or anything else, but on the other hand, content providers can and should limit what they show on their networks, if the people on the receiving end generally do not wish to see or hear those things. If an "artist" is being deliberately offensive and provocative in order to get attention and stir up media controversy, you don't have an obligation to put up with that crap or have it broadcast in your house or car. One does not need to be exposed to every sort of idiotic and offensive point of view in art and culture on the radio any more than one needs to be exposed to Communists and Holocaust deniers in mainstream political debate. Now, if you want to watch trash, more power to you, but it doesn't make you a better person, and it doesn't make any given network any worse to block certain things from being shown on it, if those things have no redeeming value.


Yes of course, there's a lot of trash. But crap like that gets filtered out by most stations anyway. Of course, the companies that own the radio, tv and internet stations that broadcast the music, will not play trash.

I mean, for example a band like Torsofuck. ( With great singles like Raped by elephants /sarcasm ) First of all, they're not getting played on music stations because the companies will get lots of complains if they will. Secondly, their music needs to be good. ( Which it isn't, if you wondered )

My point is, just being controversial or provocative won't get you anywhere. The only way to get noticed by a lot of people ( If you don't have a stage from which you can start ) is by actually having some sort of point and make decent art.

The only way someone will find out about pure trash, is if you go looking for it.

And children do learn from what they see on television or hear on the radio, especially if their parents don't do anything to counteract it and give them proper messages. I'm no Tipper Gore-esque moral crusader, but that's pretty obvious if you've ever heard a four-year-old running around screaming curse words that he picked up somewhere. Parents need to be able to censor certain materials because there are some things that children simply shouldn't watch until they are mature enough to handle them properly.


I agree with that. Of course there are boundaries there, but that's the responsibility of the parents, or present adult.

Basically, I'm not in favor of this ever-coarser, ever-looser, ever more permissive society that we seem to be moving towards. I'm not a social conservative; I don't believe that any sort of non-aggressive behaviors ought to be banned, but there's a wide gap between legally banning something and having it totally accepted by society on all levels. Liberty does not mean freedom from the consequences of being an idiot, and one of those consequences should be societal censorship of those who seem not to know what is appropriate to discuss in public and what isn't, or whose views are completely moronic. And that's not to say I don't find things like Southpark amusing sometimes, but they have a certain place; that's all (although some programs simply have no place at all).


I think you're overexaggerating the consequences. But of liberty doesn't mean freedom from consequences of beign an idiot. But take in mind that art and culture is just a way of expression your opinion or emotions on a non-violent way. Expression yourself trough music, a tv show, painting, or whatever might be offensive to someone ( You're always going to offend someone if you give your opinion. ) but not harmfull. And that's a big difference. As soon as saying stupid things turns into doing stupid things, that's when the line get crossed for me.
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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Vox Imperatoris » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:24 pm UTC

Dasboard wrote:
Well, I agree that the government should not step in and censor the radio, television, internet, or anything else, but on the other hand, content providers can and should limit what they show on their networks, if the people on the receiving end generally do not wish to see or hear those things. If an "artist" is being deliberately offensive and provocative in order to get attention and stir up media controversy, you don't have an obligation to put up with that crap or have it broadcast in your house or car. One does not need to be exposed to every sort of idiotic and offensive point of view in art and culture on the radio any more than one needs to be exposed to Communists and Holocaust deniers in mainstream political debate. Now, if you want to watch trash, more power to you, but it doesn't make you a better person, and it doesn't make any given network any worse to block certain things from being shown on it, if those things have no redeeming value.


Yes of course, there's a lot of trash. But crap like that gets filtered out by most stations anyway. Of course, the companies that own the radio, tv and internet stations that broadcast the music, will not play trash.

I mean, for example a band like Torsofuck. ( With great singles like Raped by elephants /sarcasm ) First of all, they're not getting played on music stations because the companies will get lots of complains if they will. Secondly, their music needs to be good. ( Which it isn't, if you wondered )


Filtered out? That's private "censorship", and it's all I'm talking about. I'm not sure we fundamentally disagree.
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Re: Weird/unnecessary censorship

Postby Dasboard » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:33 pm UTC

Vox Imperatoris wrote:
Dasboard wrote:
Well, I agree that the government should not step in and censor the radio, television, internet, or anything else, but on the other hand, content providers can and should limit what they show on their networks, if the people on the receiving end generally do not wish to see or hear those things. If an "artist" is being deliberately offensive and provocative in order to get attention and stir up media controversy, you don't have an obligation to put up with that crap or have it broadcast in your house or car. One does not need to be exposed to every sort of idiotic and offensive point of view in art and culture on the radio any more than one needs to be exposed to Communists and Holocaust deniers in mainstream political debate. Now, if you want to watch trash, more power to you, but it doesn't make you a better person, and it doesn't make any given network any worse to block certain things from being shown on it, if those things have no redeeming value.


Yes of course, there's a lot of trash. But crap like that gets filtered out by most stations anyway. Of course, the companies that own the radio, tv and internet stations that broadcast the music, will not play trash.

I mean, for example a band like Torsofuck. ( With great singles like Raped by elephants /sarcasm ) First of all, they're not getting played on music stations because the companies will get lots of complains if they will. Secondly, their music needs to be good. ( Which it isn't, if you wondered )


Filtered out? That's private "censorship", and it's all I'm talking about. I'm not sure we fundamentally disagree.


Haha, sorry that was the best word I could find. It's not what I meant. I was saying how the real crap was automatically filtered out because it's crap and therefor won't be played or broadcasted anyway.
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