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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Malice » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:17 pm UTC

It's at least a little bit of quicksand, right? A 100-page slog isn't that bad. (Not that I agree it's a slog, but yeah...)
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby justinpizza » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:53 pm UTC

Well sure, it's not as if I'm reading Middlemarch or something.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby mackey » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:18 am UTC

has anyone mentioned ayn rand yet? i read the fountainhead and thought it totally sucked. that isnt actually true, the story was ok i guess but i felt like she was shoving her stupid objectivism philosophy down my throat and because i have a bit of a soft spot for communism/socialism (the theory, not how it has been put into practice, just wanted to make that clear) it never got much of a chance

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Belial » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:59 am UTC

Ayn Rand was so bad she got her own thread.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby marcmagus » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:45 pm UTC

Worst: Stephen R. Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever.

It's straight find-the-plot-tokens fantasy, except the protagonist is a whiny jerk who, about 50 pages in, completely alienates his entire audience and spends the rest of the trilogy whining about it, rather than seeking any sort of real redemption.

The first chapter is a vaguely interesting read as a short story, though, I suppose.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Hench » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:49 am UTC

I wonder, would it be lynch worthy if I mention that I found Orson Scott Card's Ender's Shadow series sputtered and died about halfway through Shadow of the Hegemon? Ender's Shadow was a decent accompaniment to the original Game but the rest of the Shadow series, IMO, fell flat and suffered under OSC's particular brand of politics and personal beliefs. I found that I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I had been promised, and to be quite frank, his politics pissed me off many a time.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby mackey » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:49 am UTC

i think the catcher in the rye is overrated, i liked it but i definetly dont think that its as good as everyone says it is, i think the plot kinda sucks

also, hench where is your signature thingy from?

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby xooll » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:02 am UTC

The fucking Bell Jar.
Watch a girl whine about how hard it is to kill herself for a hundred pages.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Angelene » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:05 am UTC

That was the most horrific over-simplification of a novel I think I've ever read...but I agree her strength doesn't lie in prose.
I know the bottom, she says. I know it with my great tap root;
It is what you fear.
I do not fear it: I have been there.

Is it the sea you hear in me,
Its dissatisfactions?
Or the voice of nothing, that was you madness?

Love is a shadow.
How you lie and cry after it.
Listen: these are its hooves: it has gone off, like a horse.

All night I shall gallup thus, impetuously,
Till your head is a stone, your pillow a little turf,
Echoing, echoing.

Or shall I bring you the sound of poisons?
This is rain now, the big hush.
And this is the fruit of it: tin white, like arsenic.

I have suffered the atrocity of sunsets.
Scorched to the root
My red filaments burn and stand,a hand of wires.

Now I break up in pieces that fly about like clubs.
A wind of such violence
Will tolerate no bystanding: I must shriek.

The moon, also, is merciless: she would drag me
Cruelly, being barren.
Her radiance scathes me. Or perhaps I have caught her.

I let her go. I let her go
Diminished and flat, as after radical surgery.
How your bad dreams possess and endow me.

I am inhabited by a cry.
Nightly it flaps out
Looking, with its hooks, for something to love.

I am terrified by this dark thing
That sleeps in me;
All day I feel its soft, feathery turnings, its malignity.

Clouds pass and disperse.
Are those the faces of love, those pale irretrievables?
Is it for such I agitate my heart?

I am incapable of more knowledge.
What is this, this face
So murderous in its strangle of branches? ----

Its snaky acids kiss.
It petrifies the will. These are the isolate, slow faults
That kill, that kill, that kill.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Belial » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:43 pm UTC

mackey wrote:also, hench where is your signature thingy from?


Ooo, I know this one.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby bigglesworth » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:29 pm UTC

marcmagus wrote:Worst: Stephen R. Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever.

It's straight find-the-plot-tokens fantasy, except the protagonist is a whiny jerk who, about 50 pages in, completely alienates his entire audience and spends the rest of the trilogy whining about it, rather than seeking any sort of real redemption.

The first chapter is a vaguely interesting read as a short story, though, I suppose.


Oh yes. It is one of the few books i have put down within a few chapters.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Hench » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:13 pm UTC

Belial wrote:
mackey wrote:also, hench where is your signature thingy from?


Ooo, I know this one.

"Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem"

Yep, that's right. Two points to Belial!
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Titus » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:51 pm UTC

CaraInFrames wrote:[The quoted poetry]


Holy snapple, that was at least the worst published poetry I've ever seen. Honestly, poetry should not have to be waded through or distilled to have any meaning. My brother is obsessive about Plath and has literally (yes, literally) shoved her work down my throat since we were in high school. Her work causes me constant bodily pain. Allow me to rewrite that poem in two stanzas:

I, confounded by our relationshup employ that semiarchaic
and gramatically erroneous tone.
Insert utter nonsense of astrological bodies and nature, reference in personification.

The difference in moods I feel throughout all occasion, this love is rotting our souls.
I conclude, reasserting all above three times over.
I know naught but obstruction of the mind, continue life without change.

Sylvia Plath
*shudder*
-If you take offense from this, I am sorry. I just think that poets should have a plainer message in their poems, with cool stuff hidden underneath. I could spend all day trying to explain this, but this sums it up nicely: Sylvia Plath's poetry is the basis of all mind flayers' powers. Seriously. Think about it...

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Belial » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:41 pm UTC

Allow me to rewrite that poem in two stanzas:

I, confounded by our relationshup employ that semiarchaic
and gramatically erroneous tone.
Insert utter nonsense of astrological bodies and nature, reference in personification.

The difference in moods I feel throughout all occasion, this love is rotting our souls.
I conclude, reasserting all above three times over.
I know naught but obstruction of the mind, continue life without change.


I am going to suggest that maybe poetry isn't for you. Not because you don't like Plath, I'm decidedly neutral on her, myself. Just...that summary. Yeah. No.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby william » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:43 pm UTC

Hench wrote:I wonder, would it be lynch worthy if I mention that I found Orson Scott Card's Ender's Shadow series sputtered and died about halfway through Shadow of the Hegemon? Ender's Shadow was a decent accompaniment to the original Game but the rest of the Shadow series, IMO, fell flat and suffered under OSC's particular brand of politics and personal beliefs. I found that I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I had been promised, and to be quite frank, his politics pissed me off many a time.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Angelene » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:09 am UTC

Titus wrote:
CaraInFrames wrote:[The quoted poetry]


Holy snapple, that was at least the worst published poetry I've ever seen. Honestly, poetry should not have to be waded through or distilled to have any meaning. My brother is obsessive about Plath and has literally (yes, literally) shoved her work down my throat since we were in high school. Her work causes me constant bodily pain. Allow me to rewrite that poem in two stanzas:

I, confounded by our relationshup employ that semiarchaic
and gramatically erroneous tone.
Insert utter nonsense of astrological bodies and nature, reference in personification.

The difference in moods I feel throughout all occasion, this love is rotting our souls.
I conclude, reasserting all above three times over.
I know naught but obstruction of the mind, continue life without change.

Sylvia Plath
*shudder*
-If you take offense from this, I am sorry. I just think that poets should have a plainer message in their poems, with cool stuff hidden underneath. I could spend all day trying to explain this, but this sums it up nicely: Sylvia Plath's poetry is the basis of all mind flayers' powers. Seriously. Think about it...



Well no, I don't take offense, because I didn't write it, why would I be offended? I do, however, feel the need to point out that your very kind translation of The Elm caused me considerable bodily pain. I'm not going to defend her writing because I'm not qualified to do so, and I shan't be ramming my opinion down anyone's throat, however I did find your tone a tad arrogant, especially considering that you don't seem to have grasped to what the poem is actually referring. I'm not actually even a devout follower of the poetry of Plath, though I can still respect and see beauty in what she's written, I was merely trying to illustrate that she shouldn't be judged on her prose as I felt that wasn't where her strength lay.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby d33p » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:58 pm UTC

As only my 3rd post, I hesitate to leap in with eyes shut and held breath... but Robert Jordan pisses me off. 'Wheel of Time' = worst, most overblown series I ever tried to read. How many effing characters do you need to tell a story? AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? Zero resolution, on any front. I slogged through the first seven books, hoping against hope...

And then I find out I have to wait years for the next level of disappointment? No thanks.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby no-genius » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:35 pm UTC

The Curious Tale of the Dog in the night-time

I realise that for most people this is just a book about an autistic kid, but for me this kid is meant to be like me ... and it just didn't feel like autism. Sure, it looked like it... but it was like it was just a shell. So DNF that one. I s'pose he must be a good writer - some of it was funny - but I just didn't feel like I wanted to finish it. 'Martian Time Slip' by PKD is a book with a similar subject - yet he makes it so much wider. Some of the stuff about schizophrenia is probably a little off now - but then PKD was a schizophrenic, so it's not like it would have been exploitative. The way he describes the protagonists delusion that everything of reality was a simulacra (love that word!) is good that he must have had that delusion at some point. So, yeah, maybe some of its a bit off - but I can forgive a lot in a book I like. (I even read Hunters of Dune for fuck's sake!)
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby mackey » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:59 pm UTC

no-genius wrote:The Curious Tale of the Dog in the night-time


ya i got about half way through that one and then quit for some reason, i just kinda got bored

edit: also i think its called The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time, its definetly the same book though because its about an autistic kid

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby no-genius » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:50 am UTC

mackey wrote:
no-genius wrote:The Curious Tale of the Dog in the night-time


ya i got about half way through that one and then quit for some reason, i just kinda got bored

edit: also i think its called The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time, its definetly the same book though because its about an autistic kid


yeah, well you can see it made a great impression on me! Oh, it changed my life... to a slightly shorter one.

Oh crap, i said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud!
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Geekthras » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:14 am UTC

d33p wrote:As only my 3rd post, I hesitate to leap in with eyes shut and held breath... but Robert Jordan pisses me off. 'Wheel of Time' = worst, most overblown series I ever tried to read. How many effing characters do you need to tell a story? AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? Zero resolution, on any front. I slogged through the first seven books, hoping against hope...

And then I find out I have to wait years for the next level of disappointment? No thanks.

Gods yes, I made it through the first one but only because it was my only reading material.

Anyway, Abolition of Man had a special place in my heart. Unfortunately, I can't come up with a snide comment to make here, so let me just say I hate it.
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One is this.
The next is this.
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I went through it repeatedly and discovered to my amazement that he just forgot about the third reason. Or maybe it was hidden among all the henceforthmores, extroplatifys, and forthwithially's....
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Titus » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:28 am UTC

I would like to apologize to everybody for my crap, I was honestly just in a really bad mood. And my Plath-hatred just took over once I hit that poem... Sorry once again. I really didn't mean to go off like that. Will y'all forgive me?

Belial wrote:I am going to suggest that maybe poetry isn't for you. Not because you don't like Plath, I'm decidedly neutral on her, myself. Just...that summary. Yeah. No.


Yeah, I don't know. I like poetry in general, but it's like the books you have to read in english class, I guess my brother kinda turned me off to Plath majorly.

Cheers, and apologies all.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Pixel » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:18 pm UTC

Stranger in a Strange Land

God do I dislike (bordering on hate) that book. And as my username indicates, I'm a big Heinlein fan. I have read everything the man has ever written. And I abhor Stranger. It took me three tries to get through the book, and I regretted the wasted time.
If I ask someone if they like Heinlein and they say no, 80% percent of the time they've only read Stranger. At which I feel obligated to apologize for that book and suggest they read something else.
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Meh, crap book from an otherwise decent author.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Angelene » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:20 pm UTC

Titus wrote:I would like to apologize to everybody for my crap, I was honestly just in a really bad mood. And my Plath-hatred just took over once I hit that poem... Sorry once again. I really didn't mean to go off like that. Will y'all forgive me?

Belial wrote:I am going to suggest that maybe poetry isn't for you. Not because you don't like Plath, I'm decidedly neutral on her, myself. Just...that summary. Yeah. No.


Yeah, I don't know. I like poetry in general, but it's like the books you have to read in english class, I guess my brother kinda turned me off to Plath majorly.

Cheers, and apologies all.


Well, I forgive you, but that may just be because I am incredibly gracious and forgiving in nature, I doubt anyone else will show you such mercy. Tut. Only a dozen posts and now doomed to be universally hated for eternity, and all because of your dislike for the late, great, Plath. Such a pity.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby koalabäh » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:42 am UTC

Pixel wrote:Stranger in a Strange Land

God do I dislike (bordering on hate) that book. And as my username indicates, I'm a big Heinlein fan. I have read everything the man has ever written. And I abhor Stranger. It took me three tries to get through the book, and I regretted the wasted time.
If I ask someone if they like Heinlein and they say no, 80% percent of the time they've only read Stranger. At which I feel obligated to apologize for that book and suggest they read something else.
Overhyped to the point it gets shoved down people's throats, badly plotted, misogynistic, preachy, full of stolen (and badly applied) religious symbolism, etc. And the whole point of Mike's preaching ("I am no one special, anyone can do what I do") is found to be complete BS at the end when it is revealed MAJOR SPOILER WTF

Meh, crap book from an otherwise decent author.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Malice » Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:59 am UTC

What? Man, I read that book and didn't realize that. Damn.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby pkuky » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:42 pm UTC

worst book ever is dragons of summer flame. Its probably not the most ovverrated one however, I've never heard of anyone who approved of it.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby no-genius » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:33 am UTC

CaraInFrames wrote:
Titus wrote:I would like to apologize to everybody for my crap, I was honestly just in a really bad mood. And my Plath-hatred just took over once I hit that poem... Sorry once again. I really didn't mean to go off like that. Will y'all forgive me?

Belial wrote:I am going to suggest that maybe poetry isn't for you. Not because you don't like Plath, I'm decidedly neutral on her, myself. Just...that summary. Yeah. No.


Yeah, I don't know. I like poetry in general, but it's like the books you have to read in english class, I guess my brother kinda turned me off to Plath majorly.

Cheers, and apologies all.


Well, I forgive you, but that may just be because I am incredibly gracious and forgiving in nature, I doubt anyone else will show you such mercy. Tut. Only a dozen posts and now doomed to be universally hated for eternity, and all because of your dislike for the late, great, Plath. Such a pity.

Plath? must be chick stuff...
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby genevabeagle » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:36 am UTC

Well, to sidetrack the thread a bit, I have a couple (kinda) short defenses for books people have mentioned.

The Art of War
I think the translation is key, like the poster mentioned. The first copy I read had historical anecdotes and stories interwoven with the text, flowed beautifully and was at least a pleasure to read, without requiring me to accept any of the book as gospel truth. Second encounter was a punch in the mouth: everything was disjointed, oblique, the phrasing was Babelfish-ugly, and agreeing with even parts of the text felt like an all-or-nothing proposition. Not a terrible book to miss, on the whole, but if you can find a good translation it's worth thumbing through once.

Catcher In The Rye
As one of my teachers said, if it strikes you right when teen angst shifts into second gear, it's the best book you've ever read. Pick it up again two years later and the whole thing is a load of crap. For resonating so perfectly during periods of dramatic narcissism, it's brilliant - the book goes nowhere, which is exactly where the reader already feels they're stuck. But this means that unless you feel angsty, it blows.

A Confederacy of Dunces
I had to give this a second chance, because yes, the characters can be obnoxious and grating. However, a second reading had me impressed by how successfully the plot is driven by those myriad and varied character traits, none of which were pasted on or just "quirks", but integral parts of the numerous and distinct cast. Basically, it was like watching an extremely elaborate slapstick comedy routine, intricately woven into a train crash, set atop an ocean liner. I should note that I'm a sucker for comedy-of-errors type stuff, though.

Lord of the Rings
All else aside, the winding down of the third book is excellent. No, the travelers can't just bop back to Hobbiton for tea in Frodo's old house. Things change. Recognizing this, and allowing Middle Earth to be more than a jumble of separate, unchangeable places, was a masterstroke on Tolkien's part. (Maybe it's par for the course, I'm afraid my experience with epics is limited.)

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Eoin » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:55 pm UTC

I would like to say Moby Dick, but unfortunately I have never (after 3 attempts) made it more than about 25% of the way through. Many of my friends assure me it's fantastic, but that would require real brilliance in the latter stages of the book to make up for the early <insert derogatory term here>.

Of the books I've actually finished, I'd probably say Deception Point, by Dan Brown. Having been entertained by The Da Vinci Code I thought I might like some of his other work. A very poor assumption on my behalf.

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Mecks » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:11 pm UTC

Now that I've browsed through the thread and come to its current end, I'm surprised to find that I am left with little hatred for any books I've read. It's not that I don't read a lot - I average probably a book and a half per week. (I mean a Neil Stephenson-length book, too, not some wussy little Dan Brown pamphlet) I just usually find the redeeming qualities in the book and say that I liked it for that reason, even if the rest of the work is flawed.

I liked The Da Vinci Code. I read it while eating popcorn and twizzlers, to heighten the effect within. I kinda liked The Scarlet Letter.

This is going to just horrify everyone here, but I actually enjoyed Atlas Shrugged. I don't agree with the philosophy, but at least the crudeness of her writing style matches the bluntness with which she pounds her message into our heads. I'd appreciate it if certain other authors did the same. (Looking at you, Orson Scott Card.)

The only book I've ever finished that I actively disliked was The Last Templar, by some asshole. It was the only thing I could find that didn't look like complete dogshit right before I got on a 12 hour plane flight, and I threw it in the trash when getting off the plane in Vienna after disembarking. Turns out, it, too, was dogshit.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Severus Severance » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:00 am UTC

I seem to remember Last Templar... was that the one with some noise about "vocal chords"? I remember having a teenage rage-seizure at that...

Anything that mentions the Knights Templar is usually godawful.

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Postby bbctol » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:39 am UTC

Jesus Christ. I have to read the introduction of The Scarlet Letter for homework.

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Postby d33p » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:07 am UTC

Mecks wrote:This is going to just horrify everyone here, but I actually enjoyed Atlas Shrugged. I don't agree with the philosophy, but at least the crudeness of her writing style matches the bluntness with which she pounds her message into our heads. I'd appreciate it if certain other authors did the same. (Looking at you, Orson Scott Card.)


You haven't horrified me. I'm an avid Objectivist. Which means that you have company in the inevitable ensuing flog-fest.
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Postby Mecks » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:41 pm UTC

Severus Severance wrote:I seem to remember Last Templar... was that the one with some noise about "vocal chords"? I remember having a teenage rage-seizure at that...

Anything that mentions the Knights Templar is usually godawful.


This one.

Terrible, terrible book.
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Postby Malice » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:09 am UTC

Mecks wrote:I liked The Da Vinci Code. I read it while eating popcorn and twizzlers, to heighten the effect within.


I liked The Da Vinci Code a lot. I just recognized that it was utter shit. I could write a better book with both hands tied behind my back.
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Postby b.i.o » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:28 am UTC

Malice wrote:
Mecks wrote:I liked The Da Vinci Code. I read it while eating popcorn and twizzlers, to heighten the effect within.


I liked The Da Vinci Code a lot. I just recognized that it was utter shit. I could write a better book with both hands tied behind my back.
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I think you could probably do it typing with your whole head...

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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby xenuphobia » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:51 am UTC

Pixel wrote:Stranger in a Strange Land

God do I dislike (bordering on hate) that book. And as my username indicates, I'm a big Heinlein fan. I have read everything the man has ever written. And I abhor Stranger. It took me three tries to get through the book, and I regretted the wasted time.
If I ask someone if they like Heinlein and they say no, 80% percent of the time they've only read Stranger. At which I feel obligated to apologize for that book and suggest they read something else.
Overhyped to the point it gets shoved down people's throats, badly plotted, misogynistic, preachy, full of stolen (and badly applied) religious symbolism, etc. And the whole point of Mike's preaching ("I am no one special, anyone can do what I do") is found to be complete BS at the end when it is revealed
Spoiler:
he is the freaking ARCHANGEL MICHAEL.


Meh, crap book from an otherwise decent author.


I dunno, I have to give it props for introducing the word grok into the language... or at least the nerdosphere.

Also, with Jordan, I really wanted those books to ever end. But, since he's dead... it looks less and less like it's ever going to happen. I was willing to put up with some of the later books because he was able to craft those really awesome climaxes. I literally couldn't put down the first couple of books when they were ending, because the man knew how to end a book. Towards the later books, maybe not so much, but it definitely started strong, and I wanted to see where it went.
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Re: Worst/Overrated books.

Postby Sum Ergo Sum » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:28 pm UTC

Hench wrote:I wonder, would it be lynch worthy if I mention that I found Orson Scott Card's Ender's Shadow series sputtered and died about halfway through Shadow of the Hegemon? Ender's Shadow was a decent accompaniment to the original Game but the rest of the Shadow series, IMO, fell flat and suffered under OSC's particular brand of politics and personal beliefs. I found that I didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I had been promised, and to be quite frank, his politics pissed me off many a time.


Agreed with you to a certain point- Ender's Shadow owned, Shadow of the Hegemon died about halfway through, Shadow Puppets was terrible, but in Shadow of the Giant, he actually started to redeem himself by focusing on the plot rather than the personal belief.

Back to the topic: Cold Sassy Tree. It tries to be literary, at the expense of good writing or plot, but it failed to achieve anything literarily that hasn't been achieved a thousand times over by people who can actually write a good story.

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Postby lamaros » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:12 pm UTC

Bakemaster wrote:
__Kit wrote:Harry Potter and The Bible, are both highly overrated.

Saying the Bible is overrated is overrated.


Is it possible for the Bible to be overrated? It's like saying... there's no comparison I can think of that would come close.

Now, not liking the Bible as a religious document or as something interesting to read.. but golly it is nowhere near overrated.

People who comment on the Bible and denigrate its importance (especially when they havn't read it) are overrated.

'The Sea' by John Banville is overrated.
'American Gods' is also overrated, and much much worse.


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