A Song of Ice and Fire

A slow, analog alternative to the internet

Moderators: SecondTalon, Moderators General, Prelates

User avatar
Amarantha
Posts: 1638
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:56 am UTC
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Amarantha » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:55 am UTC

novax6 wrote:Can't wait for the new one. Is there an update on the release date for it? or is it still just whenever he's done?
http://grrm.livejournal.com/74995.html

User avatar
mindflare
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:47 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mindflare » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:12 am UTC

So, I read three pages of the topic, and realized that I have a test tomorrow in my 8 am... So getting some measure of sleep would be good. However, I do have a question I can't seem to find an answer to: Where the hell is Rickon? He went off with Osha, but after that we hear nothing about him, and all about Bran, Arya, Sansa, and Jon. While they are good characters (even Sansa now, having finished AFFC [I agree with SecondTalon; she's starting to see everything has gone to shit and is going to do something about it soon; she's learning from one of the best]), it leaves me curious as to what Rickon's going to be doing...
"Oh, 'twould be marvelous if the world and its moral questions were like some game board, with plain black players and white, and fixed rules, and nary a shade of grey."
~Croaker (via Annals)--The Chronicles of the Black Company

Blaze Krakaros
Posts: 20
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:21 am UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Blaze Krakaros » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:42 pm UTC

Rickon is of course going to become a wildling berserker warg dude.

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:50 pm UTC

Update:
http://grrm.livejournal.com/2009/06/22/

not done but progress...
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
Sarr
Posts: 891
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:34 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Sarr » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:44 pm UTC

http://io9.com/5660273/george-rr-martin ... lmost-done

I'd say I'm trying not to get too excited, but I'd be a fucking liar. I just spent the last 5 minutes somewhere between laughing maniacally and giggling like a schoolgirl..
Rakysh wrote:Basically, xkcd is basically for punching into submission the dumb frat guy in your brain.

User avatar
Izawwlgood
WINNING
Posts: 18686
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:55 pm UTC
Location: There may be lovelier lovelies...

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:36 pm UTC

Was feast for crows the one prior to that? I think I only got about 100 pages into it and just lost interest. Wanted Ayra and Daenys and Brann and Jon Snow...
... with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

User avatar
Sarr
Posts: 891
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:34 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Sarr » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:24 pm UTC

Yeah, A Feast For Crows was the 4th book. It centered entirely on the south (just as A Dance With Dragons will focus almost entirely on the north) and introduced much more of a, as I saw someone put it, "commoner's view of Westeros". If you don't like the politics of the south and the characters, you're going to have a difficult time getting through it. At that point, thought, Jamie was one of my favorite characters, and Brienne and Sansa were getting more interesting, so I read through it for them mostly. The Dorne and Iron Islands chapters were pretty good too.
Rakysh wrote:Basically, xkcd is basically for punching into submission the dumb frat guy in your brain.

User avatar
pseudoidiot
Sexy Beard Man
Posts: 5100
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:30 pm UTC
Location: Kansas City
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby pseudoidiot » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:35 pm UTC

Also, from what I remember reading somewhere the main parts of the plot from A Feast for Crows & A Dance with Dragons was meant to be all in the same book. It started getting bloated, so Martin decided to split it. Instead of just halving it he based it on region/what characters it was following. So my understanding is there'll be a bit of time overlap between the two books.
Derailed : Gaming Outside the Box.
SecondTalon wrote:*swoons* I love you, all powerful pseudoidiot!
ShootTheChicken wrote:I can't stop thinking about pseudoidiot's penis.

User avatar
Azrael001
Posts: 2385
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:15 am UTC
Location: The Land of Make Believe.
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:40 pm UTC

That's probably a good thing. If I don't find time to reread the series before it comes out it will be nice to have some reminders as to what the hell is going on.
23111

paravatar
Posts: 9
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:12 am UTC
Location: Ulm, Germany

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby paravatar » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:56 pm UTC

Sarr wrote:http://io9.com/5660273/george-rr-martins-a-dance-with-dragons-is-really-almost-done

I'd say I'm trying not to get too excited, but I'd be a fucking liar. I just spent the last 5 minutes somewhere between laughing maniacally and giggling like a schoolgirl..


This is some good news, but do you really think this is going to happen?
I'm still a bit skeptic
…is listening to the swooshing sound of deadlines passing by

User avatar
Sarr
Posts: 891
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:34 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Sarr » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:10 pm UTC

I'm putting my money on yes. He stated a while back that he wasn't going to keep announcing deadlines because he knew he couldn't satisfy them, and they were basically giving him panic attacks. For him to announce that he wants to be done by Christmas, I think he's really confident about getting it done.
Rakysh wrote:Basically, xkcd is basically for punching into submission the dumb frat guy in your brain.

Czhorat
Posts: 365
Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:28 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Czhorat » Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:59 pm UTC

Has anyone else lost interest in this? I was very into it back when A Game of Thrones first came out, but have little to no interest in the latest sequel. For one thing, my tastes have evolved in the past decade and a half. For another, there are so many characters and such a complicated backstory that I'd have to either re-read or otherwise research the previous volumes to know what's going on. It's not worth the effort, especially considering that the book won't likely conclude the story anyway and it could be another 5 years or more for the next one.

User avatar
Azrael001
Posts: 2385
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:15 am UTC
Location: The Land of Make Believe.
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Azrael001 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:58 pm UTC

No.
23111

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:12 pm UTC

No, I haven't lost interest. If he ever manages to finish, we'll be talking about these books for 100 years. They will re-open up the word of fantasy not innovated since the lord of the rings came out. Given today's technology, I'm expecting lots of cool games, movies, and beyond.
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:00 pm UTC

Sarr wrote:http://io9.com/5660273/george-rr-martins-a-dance-with-dragons-is-really-almost-done

I'd say I'm trying not to get too excited, but I'd be a fucking liar. I just spent the last 5 minutes somewhere between laughing maniacally and giggling like a schoolgirl..

Bad news, that's not from JRRM it's from a publisher. I would put zero faith in this.
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

Mega D
Posts: 104
Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:41 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Mega D » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:21 pm UTC

Czhorat wrote:Has anyone else lost interest in this?

I'm with you. While I did find the story engaging, I was never a big fan of his writing. At this point I'd have to reread them to remind myself of what's going on, and I'm definitely not interested enough to invest that much time in it.

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:35 pm UTC

Bah, all his chapters follow the same pattern. Background, characterization, encouragement for rampid speculation by the reader, and then in the last 100 words of the chapter, all kinds of shit goes down. Every time you finish a chapter, there's a moment of "Holy shit! *rapid page turn* "Fuck, this chapter's on the other side of the world". His writing style is tease, tease, tease, orgy, tease, tease, tease.
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
Sir_Elderberry
Posts: 4206
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:50 pm UTC
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:46 pm UTC

Yeah, at this point, I don't really expect to read the next book. I'd like to, but it'd require rereading all the others, and I just don't know that I would do that. We'll see.
http://www.geekyhumanist.blogspot.com -- Science and the Concerned Voter
Belial wrote:You are the coolest guy that ever cooled.

I reiterate. Coolest. Guy.

Well. You heard him.

User avatar
El Spark
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:34 pm UTC
Location: Lower nowhere

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby El Spark » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:10 pm UTC

Czhorat wrote:Has anyone else lost interest in this?


Kinda? It's one of those strange situations where I'm really not interested in the books except when I'm reading them. Once I AM reading them, they're awesome, but somehow it doesn't stick between readings.

I might finish the series if Martin does. I might not. I'm more interested in the Wild Cards series.
Check out my short horror story "No One Rents 203," available in Kindle and Nook formats.

User avatar
blu
Posts: 144
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby blu » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:19 pm UTC

No.. This can't be real, right? A release date has been set: TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2011.
This is a hard release date, which is supposed to be harder than the other release dates.

Nice covers too. I prefer the last version.


SecondTalon wrote:... Pick a character, just read their parts until you get to the end of the book, start over and pick a different character, repeat until the book is finished.
That's actually a nice idea. Sort of like playing a game and reaching the ending through different branches, only hearing about some things happening off screen, and sometimes
Spoiler:
hitting a dead end.

User avatar
pseudoidiot
Sexy Beard Man
Posts: 5100
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:30 pm UTC
Location: Kansas City
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby pseudoidiot » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:37 pm UTC

blu wrote:No.. This can't be real, right? A release date has been set: TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2011.
This is a hard release date, which is supposed to be harder than the other release dates.
Is it sad that I immediately thought you were talking about the TV show and I was going to say, but that's not the release date I heard. And shouldn't this be in the thread under Movies & TV?

It's been so long since the last book, it wasn't even on my radar you were talking about the actual book series.

Then I followed the link.

Woo!
Derailed : Gaming Outside the Box.
SecondTalon wrote:*swoons* I love you, all powerful pseudoidiot!
ShootTheChicken wrote:I can't stop thinking about pseudoidiot's penis.

User avatar
blu
Posts: 144
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby blu » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:48 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:Is it sad that I immediately thought you were talking about the TV show and I was going to say, but that's not the release date I heard. And shouldn't this be in the thread under Movies & TV?

It's been so long since the last book, it wasn't even on my radar you were talking about the actual book series.

I know what you mean. I initially went to post it in the Movies & TV thread but caught myself in time.

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:18 pm UTC

I'd still take the over in a bet, but progress is always good ;)
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
LaserGuy
Posts: 4581
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:19 pm UTC

Random thought I had on the series: what alignments (Lawful/Chaotic, Good/Evil) would you assign to your favourite characters in the series? Who changes? Obviously because of the complexity of the story such designations aren't always easy or possible, but I found it an interesting exercise to try. Here's a few that I was thinking (some possible spoilers ahead):

Eddard Stark: Lawful Good. Probably the only one in the entire series.
Stannis: Lawful Neutral. For obvious reasons. I think the story of Stannis' relationship with Davos is classic LN.
Cersei: Neutral Evil. Totally selfish. Will use the law when it benefits her and flout it when it doesn't. Her focus is entirely on her own interests and will go out of her way to harm those she perceives as threatening.
Catelyn: Not sure. I'm leaning towards True Neutral for her (after her encounter with the Freys, she seems to shift to more of a lawful evil, but it's hard to tell given how little we've seen of her since). She's actually much like Cersei except without the vindictive streak.
Jamie: Lawful Evil, but moves to Lawful Neutral as the series progresses.
Sansa: Neutral Good? Hard to pin anything to her really. She's too immature to have a really well-defined alignment IMHO.
Arya: Chaotic Good, moves to Chaotic Neutral as the series progresses.
Jon: Neutral Good, probably.
Tyrion: True Neutral? He's really tough.
Littlefinger: Neutral Evil.

User avatar
McCaber
Posts: 474
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:35 am UTC
Location: Coyote
Contact:

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby McCaber » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:15 am UTC

This isn't a series where I can peg anyone into tiny alignment slots. It's like the real world that way, where people do both good and horrific things, and they're both part of their personalities. See Catelyn Stark or Jaime Lannister.
Spoiler:
hyperion wrote:
Hawknc wrote:Crap, that image is going to get a lot of use around here.

That's what SHE said!

She blinded me with Science!

User avatar
harpyblues
Posts: 171
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:19 am UTC
Location: Chicago

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby harpyblues » Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:50 am UTC

Littlefinger is probably chaotic neutral, but like McCaber said, you can't put most of the characters into neat little slots. Cersei isn't totally selfish- she's a mother that cares about her kids, even if it's in a pretty fucked up way.

Fifty bucks on Sansa ending up as a Bastard Understudy/ Magnificient Bitch in Training under Littlefinger.
michaelandjimi wrote:But these are zombies of cuteness!

User avatar
Ulc
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:05 pm UTC
Location: Copenhagen university

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Ulc » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:48 am UTC

And now Martin has announced that he is done with Dance of Dragons, so it shouldn't be delayed *again*
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle

A White Russian, shades and a bathrobe, what more can you want from life?

User avatar
Jave D
chavey-dee
Posts: 1042
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:41 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Jave D » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 am UTC

The books get better each read-through so far. I always pick up things I didn't the first time(s). Every little mystery, every character, every thread is woven into the whole tapestry. Fucking love it.

I'm afraid to watch the HBO series. One, I'm worried they [will] have fucked it up, dumbed it down. Two, even if not, it'll change how I imagine the characters and settings are. Always happens when they make movies or shows based on books I've read. Jurassic Park being my earliest remembered example.

Edit: I'm now watching the first episode. So far I have a quibble:

Spoiler:
Ser Waymar Royce was just killed off all quick and didn't have that awesome fight scene with the Others in which his sword froze and shattered, and then butchered only to rise again. I don't know why, but I always liked Waymar - the kid had guts, and when he said "For Robert!" in the book I got chills.

However, the creepy dead child coming back to life was pretty awesome. Creepy dead children are always awesome.

User avatar
LaserGuy
Posts: 4581
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby LaserGuy » Tue May 10, 2011 4:51 pm UTC

Jave D wrote:The books get better each read-through so far. I always pick up things I didn't the first time(s). Every little mystery, every character, every thread is woven into the whole tapestry. Fucking love it.

I'm afraid to watch the HBO series. One, I'm worried they [will] have fucked it up, dumbed it down. Two, even if not, it'll change how I imagine the characters and settings are. Always happens when they make movies or shows based on books I've read. Jurassic Park being my earliest remembered example.

Edit: I'm now watching the first episode. So far I have a quibble:

Spoiler:
Ser Waymar Royce was just killed off all quick and didn't have that awesome fight scene with the Others in which his sword froze and shattered, and then butchered only to rise again. I don't know why, but I always liked Waymar - the kid had guts, and when he said "For Robert!" in the book I got chills.

However, the creepy dead child coming back to life was pretty awesome. Creepy dead children are always awesome.


So far, the series has been keeping pretty well with the spirit of the books. They've had to add scenes to fit in some of the exposition, as well as trim quite a bit to keep the story moving, and some of the character relationships have been tinkered with (most notably Dany/Drogo), but overall they've been doing a pretty good job of keeping more or less faithful to the books. I'll not delve too much into it here since there's a thread in TV/Movies that covers this ground. I'm not expecting them to change the major plot significantly, to be honest. If they derail too far, it's going to be a nightmare to get back given the complexity of the story as it is, and they'll probably experience a fan revolt.

User avatar
Ulc
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:05 pm UTC
Location: Copenhagen university

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Ulc » Tue May 17, 2011 10:38 pm UTC

I watched yesterdays episode with my roommate earlier today, and that led to a ~2 discussion about how the war would have gone if littlefinger had been slightly less competent, meaning that Ned wouldn't have gone south. This involved a quite a it of whiskey and 3½ hours.

And something struck us. I think this is a theory that no one has developed yet as regards to the book - so seriously, don't read if you don't want major spoilers

Spoiler:
The three heads of Dany's dragon

Dany herself
Quentyn Martell (seems fairly obvious to be her husband to be)
Brandon stark

There's a couple of things we know about Bran as it is, we know he's prophesied to fly, which is easier to do on dragonback than to grow wings. He's a warg, which fits well with learning to ride beasts. And he's soon to learn some secret magical knowledge.

As regards to Dany she's in dire need of someone to help her train dragons, her's are barely under her control, and when away from her, they certainly don't behave well - and without them she wont be ale to fight the others, as it seems fairly obvious that she's supposed to do. Supposedly her forebears didn't have this kind of problem with their dragons.

Might the crow be about to teach bran how to train dragons?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle

A White Russian, shades and a bathrobe, what more can you want from life?

User avatar
blu
Posts: 144
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby blu » Wed May 18, 2011 12:46 pm UTC

I think that the popular opinion regarding the heads is that..
Spoiler:
..the riders will be Snow, Tyrion and Dany.
Snow because he's the lord commander of the watch, and that's where the dragons are needed, and Tyrion because.. he doesn't have anything else to do? Something along those lines anyway.
I can see the reasoning behind naming Bran as one of them, but I have a feeling he's going in another direction. Also, because he's a warg, he doesn't even have to physicaly ride the dragon. I wonder if powerful wargs can even control dragons?
As for Quentyn, how is it obvious he's going to be her husband? Did I forget something from the books?

User avatar
Ulc
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:05 pm UTC
Location: Copenhagen university

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Ulc » Wed May 18, 2011 1:59 pm UTC

blu wrote:As for Quentyn, how is it obvious he's going to be her husband? Did I forget something from the books?[/spoiler]



Spoiler:
I know the popular opinion, and I consider it far to romantic and unrealistic.

Tyrion is cool and all that, but it seems massively out of both his and Dany's character to go that route. He's too crude, too ugly and not enough of a warrior for Dany to let it happen, and he on the other hand would have to actually trust someone for it to happen. I can easily see Tyrion and Dany working together, but he'l be a political advisor, not a dragon rider.

For Jon Snow, he has already demonstrated his dedication to his vows, he gave up being lord of winterfell for his vows. No way he is going to give up his vows for a pretty girl on a dragon. And frankly, he's probably more useful to Dany as lord commander of the watch, than as someone on the back of a dragon - or one of her enemies might get someone on that chair that isn't inclined to help her.

As for Quentyn - he's exactly what Dany need, he's a highborn (still in good standing even) from her homeland, he brings an alliance with Dorne (the only kingdom that was more or less untouched by the war of the five kings. And Dany doesn't really strike me as the romantic type anymore.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle

A White Russian, shades and a bathrobe, what more can you want from life?

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Wed May 18, 2011 6:07 pm UTC

There's some great stuff on page 2 of this thread regarding the nature of Jon and Dany's connection...

Read Fossa's posts.
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
Ulc
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:05 pm UTC
Location: Copenhagen university

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Ulc » Wed May 18, 2011 6:49 pm UTC

mosc wrote:There's some great stuff on page 2 of this thread regarding the nature of Jon and Dany's connection...

Read Fossa's posts.


I'm well aware that everything points to Jon Snow being the lovechild of Rheagar and and Lyanna - but I still don't see her marrying him just because of that, and I do not see Jon Snow abandoning his oath over a pretty face (that also happens to be his cousin, probably not a practice that he's comfortable with), - when he wouldn't abandon his oath to become a Stark officially, and be Lord of the North, which he has dreamed on (and known to be impossible) for his entire life.

Entirely beside that it's too obvious, which would fit poorly with GRRM.

Unless it's a double bluff of course, GRRM making it so obvious exactly to get us to go "naah, too obvious, not his style" then WHAM - marriage.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle

A White Russian, shades and a bathrobe, what more can you want from life?

User avatar
mosc
Doesn't care what you think.
Posts: 5401
Joined: Fri May 11, 2007 3:03 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby mosc » Wed May 18, 2011 7:43 pm UTC

I don't think they'll get married either. What does that have to do with it?
Title: It was given by the XKCD moderators to me because they didn't care what I thought (I made some rantings, etc). I care what YOU think, the joke is forums.xkcd doesn't care what I think.

User avatar
Amarantha
Posts: 1638
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:56 am UTC
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Amarantha » Thu May 19, 2011 11:51 am UTC

Ulc wrote:
Spoiler:
Tyrion is cool and all that, but it seems massively out of both his and Dany's character to go that route. He's too crude, too ugly and not enough of a warrior for Dany to let it happen, and he on the other hand would have to actually trust someone for it to happen. I can easily see Tyrion and Dany working together, but he'l be a political advisor, not a dragon rider.

For Jon Snow, he has already demonstrated his dedication to his vows, he gave up being lord of winterfell for his vows. No way he is going to give up his vows for a pretty girl on a dragon. And frankly, he's probably more useful to Dany as lord commander of the watch, than as someone on the back of a dragon - or one of her enemies might get someone on that chair that isn't inclined to help her.
Spoiler:
Tyrion's lank, pale hair sounds more Targaryen-y than the usual Lannister curly-gold. I wouldn't be surprised if he had dragon blood somehow. Also, if the Sailor's Wife of Braavos is Tysha, as some suspect, perhaps Lanna is Tyrion's daughter. If you can't see him as the head of a dragon, maybe she could be one.

Jon's vows include protecting the kingdoms from evil, icy things beyond the wall. How better than on dragonback? And he already broke some of his pretty-girl vows, for the sake of the aforementioned protective vow. This is, of course, assuming the R+L=J theory. I think I just like the idea of the dragon's three heads having proper dragon blood :)

User avatar
blu
Posts: 144
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby blu » Thu May 19, 2011 12:48 pm UTC

Amarantha wrote:
Spoiler:
Tyrion's lank, pale hair sounds more Targaryen-y than the usual Lannister curly-gold. I wouldn't be surprised if he had dragon blood somehow. Also, if the Sailor's Wife of Braavos is Tysha, as some suspect, perhaps Lanna is Tyrion's daughter. If you can't see him as the head of a dragon, maybe she could be one.

Jon's vows include protecting the kingdoms from evil, icy things beyond the wall. How better than on dragonback? And he already broke some of his pretty-girl vows, for the sake of the aforementioned protective vow. This is, of course, assuming the R+L=J theory. I think I just like the idea of the dragon's three heads having proper dragon blood :)
Spoiler:
Yeah, I forgot about that part. It makes the popular theory sound more plausible.
I'm not sure that I'd like Tyrion to be a secret Targaryen though.
On the one hand it's kind of tragic, Tyrion being so much like his father without even being his biological son.
On the other hand it will validate Tywin's feelings towards Tyrion, and I wouldn't like that.

User avatar
Midnight
Posts: 2170
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:53 am UTC
Location: Twixt hither and thither. Ergo, Jupiter.

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Midnight » Wed May 25, 2011 6:21 am UTC

Ulc wrote:
Spoiler:
For Jon Snow, he has already demonstrated his dedication to his vows, he gave up being lord of winterfell for his vows. No way he is going to give up his vows for a pretty girl on a dragon. And frankly, he's probably more useful to Dany as lord commander of the watch, than as someone on the back of a dragon - or one of her enemies might get someone on that chair that isn't inclined to help her.
.

...he can be both, you realize. He can do what he's doing now AND help her out. It's not like he'd have to quit his job for a year and train with it. In fact, he'd view such an act as perfectly in-line with his duties. commanders leading the charge and all that.
uhhhh fuck.

User avatar
Sytri
Posts: 451
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:00 am UTC
Location: Reading, UK

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby Sytri » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:00 am UTC

Just starting AFfC but can I say this about SoS

Spoiler:
I can't believe Robb is dead! I kept expecting it to be some sort of ruse or that Thoros would somehow be able to bring him back. I feel like I jinxed myself, an hour before I read about the red wedding I said to my gf that I doubt any other Starks would die after Eddard was killed and brandon and Rickon faked their deaths. "GRRM wouldn't do that" I said to myself. I love the fact that he did kill Robb off though. No one is safe. Tyrion's revenge was so well done, I just hope I see more of him in AFfC. I'm so glad that I started reading them now as ADoD will be out soon and so i can read 5 of the books back to back. Only (possibly) 2 more to be written :P


Oh and:

Spoiler:
Catelyn's Back from the dead! Awesome!
Apathy will kill us all. Or not. Whatever.

User avatar
LaserGuy
Posts: 4581
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

Re: Ice and Fire?

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:14 am UTC

Sytri wrote:Just starting AFfC but can I say this about SoS

Spoiler:
I can't believe Robb is dead! I kept expecting it to be some sort of ruse or that Thoros would somehow be able to bring him back. I feel like I jinxed myself, an hour before I read about the red wedding I said to my gf that I doubt any other Starks would die after Eddard was killed and brandon and Rickon faked their deaths. "GRRM wouldn't do that" I said to myself. I love the fact that he did kill Robb off though. No one is safe. Tyrion's revenge was so well done, I just hope I see more of him in AFfC. I'm so glad that I started reading them now as ADoD will be out soon and so i can read 5 of the books back to back. Only (possibly) 2 more to be written :P


Oh and:

Spoiler:
Catelyn's Back from the dead! Awesome!


Unfortunately, you will have to wait until Dragons comes out to see more of Tyrion. AFfC grew too big, and a number of major characters had to be left until the next book. Tyrion, Dany, Jon and Davos (and probably a few others I can't recall off the top of my head) aren't featured in this book at all.

For the rest...

Spoiler:
Yeah, that was probably the most shocking and tragic scene in the entire series (so far). I was pretty stunned after I read it. I will be really disappointed if Walder Frey just dies in his sleep or something. He has earned himself a really epic death--maybe getting eaten by the Others or something.

As far as Catelyn goes, well, she's as alive as the resurrection is able to make her, but she's much more badly damaged (in many ways) than Lord Beric ever was. She'll show up again in AFfC and you'll see what I mean.


Return to “Books”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests