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Postby Dibley » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:48 am UTC

Not sure if it goes under the books section. But I'll give it a try.

Does anyone else here read fanfic? I go for Harry Potter myself (haven't actually read canon in quite a while though).

I find it gives an opportunity for great variety of style within a specific setting. Though I like Rowling, the books are hardly high literature, and are most suitable to a younger audience. Some fanfics are amazing in their depth and complexity, and many are very much intended for older readers (no, I'm not talking about smut, though there's plenty of that).

Am I alone in my nerdiness?

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Postby Memo » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:22 am UTC

I read Harry Potter fanfiction too. In fact I think I prefer fanfics over the books because of how the world is explored. Rowling created a wonderful world in her books but doesn't explore it as well as she could.

The problem is how much trash there is in the fanfic world. I have to filter it (at fanfiction.net) by length (+100k words) to get a chance of reading something good. No, I almost never read a fanfic shorter than that.

Sadly, the HP fanfiction world is slowly dying. After reaching the peak of its success (the period of time between GoF and OotP) it has been decaying because of Rowling decisions. HPB basically killed canon-based fanfiction because of its Matrix Reloaded ending and its promise of a Zelda-like quest for the Horcruxes. Yes, there are some exceptions but they are very few and most of the best authors have gone to the AU area (most starting from OotP or advancing the plot some years).



EDIT: I just remembered that many years ago I read Dragon Ball Z fanfiction. Strangely enough I remember it as being way, way too good to be based on that anime.

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Postby Dibley » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:34 am UTC

I got into fanfic in 2003, so I remember the good old days.

As for shit-filtering, I don't really read nearly as much anymore (I'm in college and have to actually work from time to time), so I work off of recommendations (FictionAlley's niffler's recommended as well as a few other places). Filtering by length sometimes works, but some people are awfully persistent, writing really long works of shit. Also, there are some really gorgeous short stories.

My favorites are largely pre OotP, though. All time best was the Psychic Serpent trilogy, with some competition from Paradigm of Uncertainty and Dreamwalk Blue. Draco Trilogy sucked, though.

My more modern favorites are Year of Rebellion and "The Shadow of His Wings" by Mirabella.

There are others, but I am having a bit of a mind blank.[/i]

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Postby Memo » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:51 am UTC

I liked the first two fics of the Psychic Serpent trilogy, but the third one was way too convoluted. I remember that one of the classics of the Golden Era was/is After the End by Arabella and Zsenya. Really good fic.

And yes, there are long fics made of crap.
Second step of my method: read the summary as that tends to filter most bad fics. Then read the first chapter.

Anyway these days I almost don't read fics, though I read Jeconais' fics when she updates. The last I read from her was Hope. Until just recently I also read Bobmin's Sunrise Over Britain but it ended. Looong fic, together with its prequel (which it's really mediocre but necessary) they have more than 1.000.000 words on them.


I remember when The Order of the Phoenix by Ruskbyte was the bestest fic ever. First successful long fic that used a superpower!Harry. Now its style is really outdated but it was really fun when it was being posted at ff.net.

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Postby Weasel » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:56 am UTC

Harry Potter fanfics and stuff is fun. Right now I'm working with some friends and setting up a fora-based RP in the HP universe (PM if you want the link).

I am a die-hard Aberforth/Goat shipper :D I even wrote a few fanfics. They were gold.

FictionAlley is better for HP Fanfics than fanfiction.net. Although I think it's down at the moment with server problems?

I've not really done much fanficing for other series or fandoms. And I've not really been into HP fanfics for a while here either. :(

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Postby Dibley » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:11 am UTC

I think I read After the End, but I can't remember. Perhaps a reread is called for. Judging by your tastes, you probably poke about on fanficauthors.net. I rather like them, and really liked Hope. Couldn't get into Bobmin. Have heard it's good, but the beginning seems to suck. Perhaps I will try again. Also on that site is jbern, who has a really delightful 2nd person fic called Bungle in the Jungle, with a sequel on the way.

I liked Ruskbyte too, but the style got a bit old come the sequels.

If your into long fics, try LightninOnTheWave's Sacrifices Arc. Total of 3,016,600 words. Starts off a bit slow, but gets pretty good, with a well portrayed superpower!Harry. Some really good stuff (I love Evan Rosier, with his cannibalistic Swinburne quoting ways), some really long and repetitive mushy relationship stuff (slash, H/D), very AU, but overall good. I didn't actually finish it, as I had a really intense month or two at the end of the year that made me lose my place midway through the last one. I refuse to start over, and am too far out of it to pick up where I left off. Great concepts of magic/philosophy/dark/freedom/everything under the sun, though.

As for Aberforth/Goat, I have heard many jokes, but never actually seen a fic. I have seen Lily/Squid, Cho/Squid, Harry/Dobby/Eggplant (squicky but brilliant), and assorted lovelies.

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Postby jfarquhar » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:40 am UTC

You guys mind telling me what filters to "superpower!Harry"?

I want to start reading some fics, mainly to continue exploring the world and its possibilities. I will look up some of the ones you guys mentioned, but is there any all time favourites, basically worthy of becoming new HP books?

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Postby BlochWave » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:22 am UTC

I pretty much agree with R.R. Martin's view on it, which is pretty negative and pretty in the minority here, so I won't go into details

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Postby Narsil » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:27 pm UTC

I never did like fan fiction. It always seemed...weird to me. It's like, either let the author have her own world or go make your own story. I don't see why these people don't do original works, I'm sure most of them could be fantastic at it.
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Postby Durinthal » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:52 pm UTC

The only sort of fanfiction I ever read much of was for Chrono Trigger and most of those stories were set after the game. My favorite's probably Chrono Continuum which is an absolutely massive epic of 100 chapters (when I printed the full story as a PDF it came to 454 pages).

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Postby Keroppi » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:10 pm UTC

Narsil wrote:I never did like fan fiction. It always seemed...weird to me. It's like, either let the author have her own world or go make your own story. I don't see why these people don't do original works, I'm sure most of them could be fantastic at it.


Although I'm not into fanfic myself, I don't see anything wrong with other people writing it. Often, while reading Harry Potter, I feel like there are so many much more interesting places that JK Rowling could go with the material. But no author can go in every direction of the world he/she creates, and that's what fanfic's for.

If anything, it's a reaffirmation that it's a solid, believable, explorable world.

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Postby amorya » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:28 am UTC

Memo wrote:I liked the first two fics of the Psychic Serpent trilogy, but the third one was way too convoluted.


I cried more at the ending to that than I did at the last of the actual books!

I'm the one who did the cover art for that series. I can remember the eager anticipation for each new chapter, and the speculation on the yahoo group as to which 'ship' would turn out to be correct.

When I finished Deathly Hallows, I couldn't help thinking "Shut up, Neil!".

That was a good few years ago now though. I don't really read much fanfic any more, and haven't got attached to a long serially-posted one since then.

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Postby kcr » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:06 am UTC

Wow, After the End. I remember finishing that the day OotP came out.

My favorite fanfic is probably Shoebox Project, which is about the Marauders/Lily. It's nice and long, and still in progress, but there hasn't been a new part in about a year. (grr.) I would definitely recommend it, but it leads up to Remus/Sirius, so .. if you're not into that, don't read it.

Keroppi wrote:Although I'm not into fanfic myself, I don't see anything wrong with other people writing it. Often, while reading Harry Potter, I feel like there are so many much more interesting places that JK Rowling could go with the material. But no author can go in every direction of the world he/she creates, and that's what fanfic's for.

If anything, it's a reaffirmation that it's a solid, believable, explorable world.

Agreed! Especially if it's some minor thing that you're curious about, but know will never be in the books... what's the harm?

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Postby Dibley » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:17 am UTC

Because of my nature (I read highschool and college textbooks as a child) I love to read about the in depth and obscure bits of magical theory, especially about stuff like ward building. I just love the idea of programming the world. I think that illustrates the real value of fanfic. As Keroppi mentioned, the authors can go off in tangents Rowling would never be able to explore.

I loved shoebox project. Very well written, and the format gives you a very personal and believable picture of the characters.

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Postby Owijad » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:51 am UTC

I only read slash fiction. That's where the real quality's at.
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Postby Dibley » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:21 am UTC

I have never got that. I will read slash if it's really good, but I don't understand why there is so much of it (h/d alone probably outnumbers all other pairings combined, slash or het). Unfortunately, there seems to be even more crap slash than there is crap non slash, but I will admit that some of the best fics out there are slash (The Shadow of His Wings).

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Postby Owijad » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:30 am UTC

I was joking. I avoid fanfic entirely, but I assume slash produces some of the worst quality stories you're likely to find. Maybe because the focus isn't where it should be...
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Postby Dibley » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:00 pm UTC

Too true. Most slash goes along the lines of

Harry and Draco kissed and had teh buttsehks. Then Harry gots preganent wiht triplts namd Lance Dragon III, Aurora Pheonix Dawn, and Crystal Starlight Moonsbow. The lived happly evr after 4 evr. Teh end.


However, there are few rare really good exceptions.

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Postby rachel » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:39 pm UTC

Maybe you are looking in the wrong places, but all the slash HP fanfic I've ever read has been good and no less than like 25-30 chapters. There are the people who get so caught up in the fantasy of the two characters getting frisky that they show complete disregard for things like grammar or well-written works of (fan)fiction or ... a plot that makes sense at all.
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Postby Dibley » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:43 am UTC

Have you ever been to fanfiction.net? There is some truly horrific stuff. Here is a compilation of some of the better "Summary Executions", a compilation of really bad summaries.

After the war, Lucius became Harry's slave and soul mate. This is the story of their children. Rating chosen for mm relationship, mpreg, no slash

CHAPTER Granger. . . Draco always u13.[Excerpt C13 : " The man clucked his tongue. "You have no originality ses that term to call his father." "Which one? The monkey or the bastard?" Hermione let out a brave snort..."] DM/HG/HP. READ ON. R&R

Draco corners Ginny with a muffin cause he doesn't think she's eating right, Ginny refuses to eat it... romance develops.

Draco is part Veela, Harry can control Time, a Mermish princess and a Dragon?

Draco Malfoy has a great life. No, scratch that. Draco Malfoy has a perfect life. He has everything he ever wanted. What happens he gets paired with Harry Potter, the mysterious quiet kid with waist length hair and painted nails for a long-term project?

Draco sends Harry to the store for ice cream and carrots, but he doesn't come back the same.

Draco snaked his arms low around her waist and rested his chin on her shoulder. She smelled like cherries. "Sky's so clear tonight, I can see Saturn and count each of its rings."

Draco starts having night-mares about dementors chasing him in the forbidden forest. He finally decides to go out to the forest, and finds a girl that lives out there named Tiare (Tee-ar-ay), and falls in love with her.

harry goes to prostitute collage to train to become a pimp

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Postby kcr » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:21 am UTC

Dibley wrote:Have you ever been to fanfiction.net? There is some truly horrific stuff. Here is a compilation of some of the better "Summary Executions", a compilation of really bad summaries.

Draco corners Ginny with a muffin cause he doesn't think she's eating right, Ginny refuses to eat it... romance develops.

harry goes to prostitute collage to train to become a pimp


These two especially made me CRACK. UP.

But it really is about where you look, for the slash and the het stuff.

edit: there are many other hilarious "summaries." Some of my favorites..
-for all of those haters out there, Jesus is pronounced "hey zeus" and Hermoine is Jewish. Thank you.
-Everyone fucks in the highlands, everyone's hot in the highlands, wolf fucks dog in the highlands, Dumbledore fucks no Americans!
-Draco Malfoy loves a Mud-blood! A Mud-blood loves a Malfoy! PERPOSTERICE! or is it?
-Draco leaves Ginny because she's so..whats the word....I dunno.
-Harry had a dream. In the dream was this vagina, but he can't remember whos vagina it was. The vagina was as sweet as candy. He knew he fucked it before and he knew he had to find out whos it was.

And there is so, so much more..

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Re: Fanfiction

Postby tiny » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:54 pm UTC

I used to read 'Phantom of the Opera' fics some time ago, but most of it was bad stuff that was even more superficial than the Webber musical, and written so badly that it's only a matter of time until I develop severe eye cancer.
I love writing phantom fanfics, though (based on the novels by Leroux an Kay). I'm amazed myself how many possibilities are in this simple, archaic story when you just take the time to dig into it and start asking yourself: 'What if...?'.
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Re: Fanfiction

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:05 pm UTC

Fanfiction.net is known as 'the Pit of Voles' for a reason. I hardly ever go there anymore because it's not worth wading through pages and pages of crap to find the mediocre-to-okay ones. I'll only go there if an author known to be a good one links to their fics on there.

Mostly I stay in the LJ community. There's quite a lot of good fic there. Once again, it's a matter of where you look.

I don't understand where the hostility towards slash is coming from. I admit, the pairing up of characters with every other random character can get tiresome (FF7 is extremely bad about that) but you can find well-written fic for even the crackiest of pairings.
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Postby cathrl » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:11 pm UTC

It's known as the Pit of Voles because there's a certain category of fanfiction readers and writers who think that saying they don't post or read there makes them somehow superior to those of us who do.

There's crap on lj, there's crap on aff, there's crap on mediaminer, there's crap on fanlib. And one of the best ways to avoid it is to stay away from fandoms largely populated by 14 year old girls who think the lead character's hot. Harry Potter, LotR, PotC, just to name a few. Far better quality filter than which site you look on. The only better filter, IMO, is to go for a fully moderated archive.

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Postby Nyarlathotep » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:29 pm UTC

If you think Harry Potter's bad, just look at the Kingdom Hearts fandom. I've never once found a longfic that was GOOD (... some people insist that my unfinished works of madness are quality things, but I don't believe them. I think I'm just insane.) and 99% of the stuff is massive Organization XIII nonsensical slashparings of doom. Much like the Harry Potter fandom, 90% of THAT centers around Axel/Roxas (or as the japanophile idiots call it, Akuroku). *shudder* Before that, it was all Riku/Sora. The female characters exist only to be bashed and hated upon by the mansex crazed idiots who... oddly enough are all women. Which is terribly ironic to me as while there aren't ENOUGH female characters in the series, two of them are by no means WEAK, they just... don't' get enough screen time and one of them is a sadistic bitch.

The series especially suffers becuase it really does lend itself to idiot marysues. *sighs* I keep hoping that someday I'll find some deliciously well written long genfic but... no dice.
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Re: Fanfiction

Postby Lyra Ngalia » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:37 am UTC

Re: The Pit of Voles

While it's true that there's crap everywhere (95% of everything is), the sheer volume Fanfiction.net gets makes it an incredibly hard place to wade through. Even with an extremely conservative estimate of 50% of everything being crap, that's still 150,000 pieces of brain melting crap assaulting my eyeballs at FFN from HP vs. say 75,000 pieces of brain melting crap over at Livejournal (made up on that last one, but I'm assuming LJ gets half of what FFN does. it's probably less). While the percentage is the same, the fact that there's numerically a hell of a lot more of it makes me venture to FFN only when I desperately need a fix. Yeah, I archive there because it is a huge audience, but I perfer to find my own reading material elsewhere, or through others' recommendations.

The fact that there's very prevalent "revenge banning" going on at FFN (Fangirl 1 gets a less-than-stellar review, and immediately shouts "PLAGIARISM! or Oh me yarm ABUSE!" and gets reviewer banned and deleted) makes it very hard for me to feel comfortable there. That and the fact that it's impossible to keep up with the place (even with some of the slightly less prolific fandoms).

The fan-wankery isn't limited to the 14 year old set either. Some of the biggest wankers turn out to be 40-somethings.
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Re: Fanfiction

Postby podbaydoor » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:04 am UTC

It's known as the Pit of Voles because there's a certain category of fanfiction readers and writers who think that saying they don't post or read there makes them somehow superior to those of us who do.


I didn't say I never posted or read fic there. I archive fic there, and read fic there if I've been linked from an off-site source (and I'll probably have a look at the author's favorites when I'm finished) or I can't find any other significant source of fic for a particular fandom.

But Lyra Ngalia said it better than I did - ff.net is huge, which makes it far harder to find the good ones. Also, it seems to be the first place to go for new fanfic writers - of course I'll encounter n00b writers on LJ, but where I'll find one or two per community on LJ, I will find five pages of "inspired by [insert song from the My Chemical Romance repertoire], 1st fic ever, be nice plz, READ AND REVIEW PLZ!!!!" on ff.net.
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Re: Fanfiction

Postby Lyra Ngalia » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:13 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:I will find five pages of "inspired by [insert song from the My Chemical Romance repertoire], 1st fic ever, be nice plz, READ AND REVIEW PLZ!!!!" on ff.net.


You forgot "NO FLAMEZ!!! NU CHARA!!! NOT A MARY SUE!!!!!"
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Re: Fanfiction

Postby podbaydoor » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:01 pm UTC

Oh yes, and the ever popular "The hero finds love where he didn't expect to before. I suck at summarys."
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