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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:35 pm UTC

What's the correct pronunciation of Owain?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby ave_matthew » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:32 am UTC

Actually all of the classes except those that must be in English are in French. In my elementary the only class in English was English, and it had a separate teacher from the normal class. In High school though, I went to a dual stream school, where half of the school (more like 3/4) was English and the other half (the minority) was immersion. Because the school didn't have the resources to run two classes, Gym was in French and English at the same time, but the French half only used French and vice versa. Also there were limited options for immersion, so immersion students often took English options, for Example, woodworking wasn't a grade nine option for immersion, but it was for English, boy did that piss us off. In practice almost all of the French speakers were L2, except for one or two of the teachers, so English was the primary language of all discussion unless it was between a student and a pupil, when they would both use French. All the official documents were in French, which always meant translating for my parents, and most of the other parents needed the stuff translated for them too. So basically everything except the students conversations and English class was in French. In kindergarten I think we were allowed limited English, but it's been a while.

Note that the immersion school system in Manitoba is distinct from the French school system, which is run by different people and has different curriculum and all that, the two have nothing in common beyond the language.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Grop » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:45 am UTC

Re : Matthew for French speakers

My own firstname (Laurent) is quite hard to say for English speakers. I only insist on the final t being silent. I suppose you could introduce yourself as Matthew, and specify "But it's okay if you call me Matiou" or something.

Whatever your name, there is probably a language that doesn't have all the appropriate sounds.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:59 pm UTC

Is it pronounced different to the second name in "Ralf Lauren" ?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Grop » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:40 pm UTC

That would be how I generally expect English speakers to say my name. In my everyday life, the r is a French-style one and -en is a nasal vowel.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:39 pm UTC

What does it mean they were "L2"?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby PM 2Ring » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:03 pm UTC

Grop wrote:That would be how I generally expect English speakers to say my name. In my everyday life, the r is a French-style one and -en is a nasal vowel.

English speakers tend to make those sounds at the front of the mouth, rather than the back, so the sounds don't have the proper resonance. Even with practice, it's not easy to do, unless you learned those sounds when you're young. I advocate teaching small children songs in a variety of languages so as to expose them to a broader range of vocal sounds.


Monika wrote:What does it mean they were "L2"?

French was their second language, acquired after early childhood, not their mother tongue.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:25 pm UTC

Grop wrote:That would be how I generally expect English speakers to say my name. In my everyday life, the r is a French-style one and -en is a nasal vowel.
*smacks forehead* I do in fact have a rusty French accent in the back of my brain, due to travelling and school lessons.

I even have an anecdote of my mother pronouncing "Ralf Lauren" as if it were "Ralf Laurent", French-accented, before being informed it was an American and not French brand.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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La-A (Ladasha)
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby jaap » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:39 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:La-A (Ladasha)

From earlier:
Monika wrote:
Somewhere wrote:A friend's cousin tried to name her kid La-a.
Apparently that is pronounced as "LaDasha."
I was amazed.

You are person number 5237 to make this claim in this thread (except the others said Le-a = Ledasha). Read on Snopes that it is a chain mail with no basis in reality.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Giant Speck » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:46 pm UTC

jaap wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:La-A (Ladasha)

From earlier:
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Somewhere wrote:A friend's cousin tried to name her kid La-a.
Apparently that is pronounced as "LaDasha."
I was amazed.

You are person number 5237 to make this claim in this thread (except the others said Le-a = Ledasha). Read on Snopes that it is a chain mail with no basis in reality.

Snopes says it's "undetermined", not "false". With all the stupid names out there, it would not surprise me in the least that some stupid parent would name their child "La-A" or "El-A".
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby GhostWolfe » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:00 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:With all the stupid names out there, it would not surprise me in the least that some stupid parent would name their child "La-A" or "El-A".
This thread is for actual sightings of strange names in the wild though. :P

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Mike_Bson » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:54 am UTC

Is this the best or worse name ever? You decide!

La-a. Try to pronounce it. Yup, you guessed it: luh-dash-uh.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby phlip » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:07 am UTC

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Eebster the Great » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:32 am UTC

Mike_Bson wrote:Is this the best or worse name ever? You decide!

La-a. Try to pronounce it. Yup, you guessed it: luh-dash-uh.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:42 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:Snopes says it's "undetermined", not "false". With all the stupid names out there, it would not surprise me in the least that some stupid parent would name their child "La-A" or "El-A".

Read the entire Snopes article, not just the one-line summary. Essentially it says it's a racist made-up chain letter. But because there is no complete record of babies and their names in the US, they cannot prove 100% sure that there might not be such a child.

By the way the kid is now named Le'a, Le-a and La-a (all three of them), lives in at least 3 different states, attends various schools where brothers' girlfriends' friend is a teacher and is the child of several friends' third-degree cousins' friend, and that's in this thread alone. Nobody knows her last name, though.

So up to you to decide, but the more unusual the claim the stronger the required proof, so I ain't believing it until I see the kid and the birth certificate in a newspaper or on TV and it can't be Faux news.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Velifer » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:58 pm UTC

Monika wrote:But because there is no complete record of babies and their names in the US, they cannot prove 100% sure that there might not be such a child.

U.S. Vital Statistics isn't quite as good as some places with socialised medicine, but all births are recorded by the states then submitted to the federal government. Names and other identifiers are stripped from statistical files, but they are collected. We also have a decennial census that collects name information. Getting access to those identifiers is hard to do, you need to have a really good reason (sadly, internet myth-busting isn't enough).
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:33 pm UTC

Monika wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Snopes says it's "undetermined", not "false". With all the stupid names out there, it would not surprise me in the least that some stupid parent would name their child "La-A" or "El-A".

Read the entire Snopes article, not just the one-line summary. Essentially it says it's a racist made-up chain letter. But because there is no complete record of babies and their names in the US, they cannot prove 100% sure that there might not be such a child.

By the way the kid is now named Le'a, Le-a and La-a (all three of them), lives in at least 3 different states, attends various schools where brothers' girlfriends' friend is a teacher and is the child of several friends' third-degree cousins' friend, and that's in this thread alone. Nobody knows her last name, though.

So up to you to decide, but the more unusual the claim the stronger the required proof, so I ain't believing it until I see the kid and the birth certificate in a newspaper or on TV and it can't be Faux news.

I'm not trying to claim the child is real; I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the name was real.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby GhostWolfe » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:01 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:I'm not trying to claim the child is real; I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the name was real.

GhostWolfe wrote:This thread is for actual sightings of strange names in the wild though.
:roll:
Moving on...

It's not really a case of unfortunate naming, but I encounted the surname Stillhard yesterday. I want there to be an awesome origin story behind that, not just a name that makes me giggle like I'm 4 years old again.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby meatyochre » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:54 pm UTC

lol, reminds me of a regular caller I get where I work, who gives his name as Dick Harding. I AM NOT KIDDING! Why wouldn't you go by Richard or Rich or Rick? :(
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Alder » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:42 am UTC

Reading a post on another forum (for piano teachers) and it's a mother asking for help with her terribly talented 5 year old son - Aryan. Aryan? Really? I hope the kid's not blond...
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Madge » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:12 am UTC

Reminds me of the sister of the kid mentioned in this article, which is itself appropriate for this thread:

The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child's full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance.

Heath Campbell and his wife, Deborah, are upset not only with the decision made by the nearby ShopRite, but also with an outpouring of angry Internet postings in response to a local newspaper article about the cake.

Heath Campbell, who is 35, said in an interview Tuesday that people should look forward, not back, and accept change.

"They need to accept a name. A name's a name. The kid isn't going to grow up and do what [Hitler] did," he said.

After ShopRite refused the request for the cake as inappropriate, the Campbells got a cake decorated at a Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania, Deborah Campbell said.

About 12 people attended the birthday party on Sunday, according to Heath Campbell.

The Campbells' other two children also have unusual names: JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell turns 2 in a few months and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell will be 1 in April.

Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name."

Campbell said his ancestors are German and that he has lived all his life in Hunterdon County, New Jersey, which is across the Delaware River from Easton.


source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468250,00.html (emphasis added)
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby The Scyphozoa » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:09 pm UTC

Alder wrote:Reading a post on another forum (for piano teachers) and it's a mother asking for help with her terribly talented 5 year old son - Aryan. Aryan? Really? I hope the kid's not blond...

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby meatyochre » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:28 am UTC

Madge wrote:Reminds me of the sister of the kid mentioned in this article, which is itself appropriate for this thread:

The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child's full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance.

Heath Campbell and his wife, Deborah, are upset not only with the decision made by the nearby ShopRite, but also with an outpouring of angry Internet postings in response to a local newspaper article about the cake.

Heath Campbell, who is 35, said in an interview Tuesday that people should look forward, not back, and accept change.

"They need to accept a name. A name's a name. The kid isn't going to grow up and do what [Hitler] did," he said.

After ShopRite refused the request for the cake as inappropriate, the Campbells got a cake decorated at a Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania, Deborah Campbell said.

About 12 people attended the birthday party on Sunday, according to Heath Campbell.

The Campbells' other two children also have unusual names: JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell turns 2 in a few months and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell will be 1 in April.

Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name."

Campbell said his ancestors are German and that he has lived all his life in Hunterdon County, New Jersey, which is across the Delaware River from Easton.


source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468250,00.html (emphasis added)

My memory may not be serving me well, but I swear I heard a story with a kid who was named after Hitler being taken away (temporarily) from his parents and having a court-mandated legal name change, under the premise that naming your child after such a mad historical figure constitutes abuse.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby PM 2Ring » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:32 am UTC

These days, "Aryan" has bad connotations, but it should be noted that the term "Aryan" was in use long before it was hijacked by the Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan wrote:Aryan /ˈɛərjən/ is an English language loanword denoting variously

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Similarly, the Aryan symbol of social harmony & integration, the Swastika, is also ancient. Despite it being generally associated with Nazism in the West, it is still seen as a religious symbol by many Hindus, although I suppose it does have some negative connotations, due to its association with the caste system.

But to get back on topic...
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:40 am UTC

This leads to events like Indian learners of the German language happily entering German chatrooms and exclaiming that they love Germany and Germans because they are Aryan ... and the room falling silent.


Adolph was once a popular name among Germanic people, and it rose in popularity during the Nazi years. After the war, it was usual to drop the A, yielding Dolph.

No, it was and is not usual to drop the A, nobody except that duck in Alfred Jodocus Kwak uses Dolf. In Germany ... no idea about other countries, maybe Dolf is a common name in the Netherlands or elsewhere.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:46 am UTC

But perhaps for those born before 1945?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby PM 2Ring » Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:02 am UTC

bigglesworth wrote:But perhaps for those born before 1945?

That's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion, Monika.

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Postby Monika » Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:27 am UTC

I meant for people born before 1945, too. I guess I did not make this clear. Older people with the name Adolf still go by Adolf, not by Dolf, in Germany. The part about the babies was just an addition.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:43 pm UTC

Come to think of it I'd never heard of anyone called Dolf.
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Postby Moo » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:23 pm UTC

Really? (ok so it's with a ph, but I don't think that matters much)
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:32 pm UTC

No, not heard of him before today, sorry.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby PM 2Ring » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:39 pm UTC

Monika wrote:I meant for people born before 1945, too. I guess I did not make this clear. Older people with the name Adolf still go by Adolf, not by Dolf, in Germany. The part about the babies was just an addition.

Ok, I'll take your word for it. After all, you do live in Germany, and I don't. I guess I was misinformed. Thanks for the correction, Monika.

FWIW, Dolf & Dolph both get a lot of hits on Google...

My mother's maiden name is rather Germanic. She was born in Australia in 1939. She was teased over her name in primary school, even though the war was over by then. Plenty of Aussies of German origin Anglicized their surnames, to avoid harrassment.

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Postby Moo » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:43 pm UTC

... oh. He's pretty famous.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:19 pm UTC

Moo wrote:Really? (ok so it's with a ph, but I don't think that matters much)

The f or ph does not matter, but his name was originally Hans, not Adolph, he is Swedish, not German, and he was born after 1945. So whyever he chose a shortened version of Adolph as his artistic name is a bit of a mystery to me, assuming he has no sympathies for nazis.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby krogoth » Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:36 am UTC

I work in a call center, I once had to call though a job for a Whinnia Poo
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby meatyochre » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:24 pm UTC

krogoth wrote:I work in a call center, I once had to call though a job for a Whinnia Poo

I get calls occasionally from a lady named Babyruth (Boringlastname).

Made me do double takes at first. I hope she usually goes by Ruth.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby darthchazza » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:29 pm UTC

I'm unsure of the the exact spelling but there was a kid at my primary school who went by the name "Fulqen Demurkin" aparently it's Turkish but the correct pronounciation is "Furken Dimurken". Poor kid...
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby ryancall » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:04 am UTC

I have a colleague named Garofita :lol: . In romanian this mean carnation.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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