Aiwendil42 wrote:That's interesting - I have æ-tensing as well, but it only affects æ before n or m (where it becomes [eə]). Before [ŋ] it remains [æ]. I do know speakers for whom tensing occurs before [ŋ] as well, but as far as I can tell, for them it becomes [eə] in this case also, with no [i] in sight. Although it's possible that I just haven't listened closely enough, and it does in fact become [ei] for them.
Born and raised Coloradan here, with a fairly middle-of-the-road "Western" dialect, including cot/caught merger.
For a long time I managed to convince myself I had no raising of /æ/ in my speech; but in fact I do raise it to [ɛ] before /ŋ/ (and ONLY before /ŋ/, so [θɛŋks] for thanks but [tænd] for tanned).
Iulus Cofield wrote:Where is the place of articulation for y'all's non-velar /l/'s?
Mine is dental. I've been asking around/tricking people into being linguistic guinea pigs and I'm finding a fair number of people who also say it dentally rather than alveolarly.
I produce it right where my teeth protrude from my gums, directly between my incisors. With the exception of when it follows /k g/, where it's fully velar [ʟ] ala [kʟiɚ].
My maternal grandmother is from Minnesota and she warshes her clothes.
as for [mʌnstɚ] for monster, I've never heard that pronunciation from . . . anyone. Only for the city, Munster.
I thought for a long time that I had no canadian raising in my speech, either; it turns out I do have raising of /aj/ before voiceless consonants. I've known that writer and rider are distinct but I've always chocked that up to a difference of vowel length, not quality; sure enough though, the nucleus of the vowel in writer is closer to [ʌ].
I've noticed some interesting features that seem to be emerging here in Colorado. For one, Canadian raising seems to be spreading among younger speakers, but only in /aj/. Additionally, some speakers (like many in my family) produce the short a of bag as [ej], so that it becomes a homophone of beg. (Speaking of which, do the rest of you pronounce beg as a mono- or diphthong?). They seem unable to hear the difference. When I pointed it out to my mother, she couldn't produce the "traditional" [bæg] at all. She was able to approximate it as [bæjg], though. Isn't perception weird?
My godmother, originally from North Dakota, also has this change before the velar nasal so that rang is [ɹejŋ]. She has full canadian raising of /aj/ and /aw/, she was talking to me just a few days ago about her "nice new house" [nʌjs nu hʌʊs].
re: diphthongization of /ʊ/. This is one of the things that intrigued me most when I first began learning about phonetics, is that I never seemed to produce this as a monophthong but I've also never met anyone who produces it noticeably different than I. [ʊɪ] is fairly consistent with how I seem to pronounce it, but without the aid of praat I can't be sure.
How do y'all pronounce the /r/ in three? I would think the approximant [ɹ] would be standard, it's universal in my speech, but I work on the phone and hear a realization of [θɾi:] on a nearly daily basis; this seems to be more common among east-coasters (and especially among New Jerseyites). This seems to only ever happen in the cluster /θr/.
Also, reading through the thread, someone mentioned pre-nasalization of "bye" to something like [mbaj], I do this all the time and I notice a lot of others do as well, both on the phone and face-to-face. I also sometimes prenasalize other stops, usually in the context where I would say "uh", as in when trying to take a moment to formulate a response. "When is my appointment" "nnnntuesday."