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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:24 pm UTC

I'm already stuck on 10. I've tried 2 ways to do it, but I'm always short 1 mirror, or the mirror isn't positioned properly.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Token » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:59 pm UTC

tricky77puzzle wrote:I'm already stuck on 10. I've tried 2 ways to do it, but I'm always short 1 mirror, or the mirror isn't positioned properly.

Each corner should use at most two mirrors. Remember that the angled mirrors can reflect in two ways. Work out which corner requires the single "flat" mirror first.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:45 pm UTC

Token wrote:
tricky77puzzle wrote:I'm already stuck on 10. I've tried 2 ways to do it, but I'm always short 1 mirror, or the mirror isn't positioned properly.

Each corner should use at most two mirrors. Remember that the angled mirrors can reflect in two ways. Work out which corner requires the single "flat" mirror first.


Okay, I'm stuck. I know that the flat mirror has to go at the end, right before that last star. What I don't know how to do is how to get the other mirrors positioned correctly.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Token » Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:41 am UTC

tricky77puzzle wrote:
Token wrote:
tricky77puzzle wrote:I'm already stuck on 10. I've tried 2 ways to do it, but I'm always short 1 mirror, or the mirror isn't positioned properly.

Each corner should use at most two mirrors. Remember that the angled mirrors can reflect in two ways. Work out which corner requires the single "flat" mirror first.


Okay, I'm stuck. I know that the flat mirror has to go at the end, right before that last star. What I don't know how to do is how to get the other mirrors positioned correctly.

Other than that final double corner with the flat mirror, every corner requires exactly 2 angled mirrors. Work each one out in turn, considering the final path the beam will have to take in order to hit any stars in between the corners. Again, remember that the angled mirrors can reflect in two ways.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Azrael001 » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:08 am UTC

That damned fourth corner has got me beat as well.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Token » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:12 am UTC

Azrael001 wrote:That damned fourth corner has got me beat as well.

Sometimes, the right way isn't the direct way.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Azrael001 » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:15 am UTC

This is what I immediately thought of. I thought it looked funny:
Spoiler:
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edit: this is the best I can do...

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edit 2: I got it. I feel dumb.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:01 am UTC

Token wrote:
Azrael001 wrote:That damned fourth corner has got me beat as well.

Sometimes, the right way isn't the direct way.


Okay, you know what, I have no idea what you mean. No matter which way I turn it, there is always a corner where I can't place something. Does it have something to do with reflecting the beam at a 45 degree angle?

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby NathanielJ » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:18 am UTC

Okay, you know what, I have no idea what you mean. No matter which way I turn it, there is always a corner where I can't place something. Does it have something to do with reflecting the beam at a 45 degree angle?


Look at the "this is the best I can do" image that was posted just above your last post.

Hint #1:
Spoiler:
Look at the 4th corner; that's where the problem is.


Hint #2:
Spoiler:
Look at the 1st corner; that's there the solution is.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:02 pm UTC

Okay, I got it without seeing the spoilers. I feel dumb as well... :(

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby zip_000 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:33 pm UTC

OK, I've finished Chromatron 1 and gone on to Chromatron 2. Anyone got any hints or clues for numbers 42 and 44? The answers are over at the Chromatron forum, but I'm trying not to look.

42 and 44 are the only two that I have left on Chromatron 2...so I guess I'll be going on to part 3 (I'm obsessive compulsive-ish)

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Kaiyas » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:13 am UTC

Just a note: If you do beat the game (like I did (by myself 8) bragging rights! :D )) the guy's email address shows up in the box with the chinese text. Which just happens to be hawkpeng79@hotmail.com

And for the spiral,
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there's more than one way to build a corner.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:48 am UTC

Argh... stuck again. I got to level 12 (I knew how to beat level 11! Yay!)

I can get 5 out of 6 stars, but that last one eludes me like hell.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby michaelandjimi » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:14 am UTC

I am having a bitch of a time with 13.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:31 pm UTC

tricky77puzzle wrote:Argh... stuck again. I got to level 12 (I knew how to beat level 11! Yay!)

I can get 5 out of 6 stars, but that last one eludes me like hell.


Argh. I just figured it out. Stupid mirror-combining.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:45 pm UTC

michaelandjimi wrote:I am having a bitch of a time with 13.


Clue: no magenta rays are involved.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby michaelandjimi » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:59 am UTC

I finished 13 (I'd already sussed it didn't need magenta, but thanks for trying to help) and now I hate 18. I managed to skip 16 somehow though.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Macbi » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:47 pm UTC

jestingrabbit wrote:27:
Spoiler:
Most of the corners should contain a mirror at 45 degrees. *Most* of them.

More hints please. So far I have the splitter in the bottom-middle and 3 of the mirrors in the bottom two corners and one at the top, but I have a mirror spare and definitely can't get the colours right.

I can't even see another arangement that hits all the targets, nevermind with the right colours.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby tricky77puzzle » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:59 pm UTC

michaelandjimi wrote:I finished 13 (I'd already sussed it didn't need magenta, but thanks for trying to help) and now I hate 18. I managed to skip 16 somehow though.


15 is really a bitch. I just can't get those mirrors right.

Oh, 15's not a bitch anymore. I just moved a few mirrors around, that's all.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Token » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:59 pm UTC

Macbi wrote:
jestingrabbit wrote:27:
Spoiler:
Most of the corners should contain a mirror at 45 degrees. *Most* of them.

More hints please. So far I have the splitter in the bottom-middle and 3 of the mirrors in the bottom two corners and one at the top, but I have a mirror spare and definitely can't get the colours right.

I can't even see another arangement that hits all the targets, nevermind with the right colours.

The key to this one is that the Doppler thing is assymetric.
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby quintopia » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:13 am UTC

33 doesn't count for not using every part? it's really not that hard and it leaves three pieces (at least). it should very well count.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby quintopia » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:18 pm UTC

Add 38 to the list of puzzles with extra pieces.

And I just used trial and error for 35. . .I still don't understand the quantum implications of tangler + prism + dopplers.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby srz1192 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:03 pm UTC

I cannot complete number 11 =[

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Moonbeam » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:18 am UTC

srz1192 wrote:I cannot complete number 11 =[


You'll notice that 3 of the mirrors reflect the beam 90 degrees and one reflects it 45 degrees.

In order to hit the targets, both beams need to be deflected 45 degrees - but there's only one 45 degree mirror :| .

Spoiler:
Both beams must hit this 45 degree mirror

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby srz1192 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:01 am UTC

Moonbeam wrote:
srz1192 wrote:I cannot complete number 11 =[


You'll notice that 3 of the mirrors reflect the beam 90 degrees and one reflects it 45 degrees.

In order to hit the targets, both beams need to be deflected 45 degrees - but there's only one 45 degree mirror :| .

Spoiler:
Both beams must hit this 45 degree mirror

Yes, I've realised this first part, but I cannot find the angle at which to point them. i cant seem to get both beams pointing at the 45 degree mirror while it is facing up

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby srz1192 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:16 am UTC

yay i got it :) (number 11)

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby I Am Raven » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:48 pm UTC

Firnagzen wrote:Hm, I remember that one of the p2p runescape quests involves something like this... only it's 3d. (up and down too)

Beyond that, I haven't come across anything similar, and in any case, damn you. I'm not going to get much done until I've finished this. NERD SNIPER ALERT


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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Banksy » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:05 pm UTC

Damn, I'm useless!
I can't do 13 OR 14 (which are both unlocked *shrugs*)
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Nitrodon » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:16 pm UTC

13:
Spoiler:
Just do it one step at a time. Each part will only be used by one laser, but one of the lasers passes straight through a splitter used by the other laser in my solutions.


14:
Spoiler:
You can make any set of lasers go through the white target, as long as the white laser goes through it. (Letting all three other lasers go through it without the white laser will also work in general, but that doesn't provide a solution here.)

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby chionophile » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:53 pm UTC

Someone want to give more hints to 18? I've beaten all of the first 25 except that one and 13. On 18, I can either get all the white ones and none of the colored ones or all the colored ones and only two of the white ones. On 13, the best I can do is all but the second blue one. Thanks for any help.

Edit: okay, never mind, I got them. not that anyone answered anyway. (although, now I'm stuck on 32 and 24. it never ends.)

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby TommieV » Sat May 03, 2008 9:48 am UTC

Anyone? Im still stuck at 12 :(
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby chionophile » Sun May 04, 2008 6:40 pm UTC

You're close (obviously). You need to replace one of the splitters with your mirror and find a new spot for your displaced splitter.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby freddyfish » Sun May 04, 2008 8:15 pm UTC

im stuck on 20 and 24 of the original game (the one linked from the first post in this thread)...
any hints?

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Moonbeam » Sun May 04, 2008 11:14 pm UTC

freddyfish wrote:im stuck on 20 and 24 of the original game (the one linked from the first post in this thread)...
any hints?


For 20:

Spoiler:
The prism lies directly in the path of the red beam (with no mirrors in between the prism and the red laser).


For 24:

Spoiler:
The red target that lies on line with the original red beam, is the last one to be hit.

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby freddyfish » Mon May 05, 2008 8:24 pm UTC

Spoiler:
ive been trying on 20 but if the prism is on the red laser, the laser doesnt bend... and I cant find a way to make the three beams converge into white havnt attempted 24 yet

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Moonbeam » Mon May 05, 2008 8:52 pm UTC

freddyfish wrote:
Spoiler:
ive been trying on 20 but if the prism is on the red laser, the laser doesnt bend... and I cant find a way to make the three beams converge into white havnt attempted 24 yet

Spoiler:
The prism can be rotated into 8 different positions - 4 of these positions allow the red beam to pass through without altering its path (which is what you need :wink: ) .... only 1 of these is correct

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby freddyfish » Thu May 08, 2008 2:12 am UTC

on 24 im having issues gettingt the beam over all the targets, never mind in the right color...
any advice?

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Dusty Chalk » Thu May 08, 2008 3:16 am UTC

This game should be renamed "insomnia", because it has been depriving me of sleep!!!1!
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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Moonbeam » Thu May 08, 2008 2:16 pm UTC

freddyfish wrote:on 24 im having issues gettingt the beam over all the targets, never mind in the right color...
any advice?




Moonbeam wrote:
Spoiler:
The red target that lies on line with the original red beam, is the last one to be hit.


The above spoiler, plus
Spoiler:
The first 2 targets to be hit are the other 2 red ones
.... should get you on your way :wink:

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Re: Laser Logic

Postby Nimz » Tue May 13, 2008 1:30 pm UTC

I finally got #24. That was the last one for me to solve (in the originally linked game).
Spoiler:
knowing that that red one is not the first and knowing that it is the last are not the same thing.
It was slightly annoying how easily it came into place once I got started in the right direction (that is, not trying to make that target third).
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