Controversial opinions about food

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Angua » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:27 pm UTC

Bakemaster wrote:
Angua wrote:Cold pizza is amazing, especially as breakfast.

Controversial? Are you from Mars?


This seems to be a controversial view in England (in my experience, anyway).
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sandry » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

I recently had reason to recall a legitimately quite unconventional view I hold about food - pepper as a spice. It's awful. Including black pepper, white pepper, pink pepper, whatever. It's like sprinkling a bit of death onto your food for the excitement factor. Bleaaaugh. I wish it weren't a default, and that instead something like oregano or cumin were.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

Angua wrote:
Bakemaster wrote:
Angua wrote:Cold pizza is amazing, especially as breakfast.

Controversial? Are you from Mars?

This seems to be a controversial view in England (in my experience, anyway).

Well, yeah, except England isn't allowed to have opinions regarding food.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Carlington » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:00 pm UTC

We already did the whole "Nuh-UHH, my food is better!" thing, though.

Sandry wrote:I recently had reason to recall a legitimately quite unconventional view I hold about food - pepper as a spice. It's awful. Including black pepper, white pepper, pink pepper, whatever. It's like sprinkling a bit of death onto your food for the excitement factor. Bleaaaugh. I wish it weren't a default, and that instead something like oregano or cumin were.

Pepper can be useful in some things, but I like to mix it up as well. I think it's just a problem of the fact that people default to pepper - it has its place, but herb/spice use must be tailored to the flavours of the food.

Also, Wednesday, thanks for the tomatilloes heads-up - now I just need to see if I can find them here anywhere.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Wednesday » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:06 am UTC

Totally, Carlington. Belial has a really good salsa verde recipe, if you want one.

Also yeah pepper is disgusting in the amounts it is normally applied to food. Couple of dashes? Reasonable! More than that, not so much.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby poxic » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:09 am UTC

There are countries where a particular sauce or spice is IN EVERYTHING. In parts of the West, that is often pepper. Being allergic to pepper is kind of ass, for that reason.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:19 am UTC

Bakemaster wrote:
Nath wrote:there are bay leaves that actually taste of bay leaf. I just don't know where to find them locally.

Want me to mail you some?

Dang, that's a lot of bay leaf. However, 'locally' is now a place with lots of Mexican and East Asian groceries, so I've had a much easier time finding decent herbs.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Carlington » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:14 am UTC

poxic wrote:There are countries where a particular sauce or spice is IN EVERYTHING. In parts of the West, that is often pepper. Being allergic to pepper is kind of ass, for that reason.

Being allergic to onion would be similar amounts of arse, judging by a lot of the ingredients lists on the most innocuous of foodstuffs I've seen.
Wednesday wrote:Totally, Carlington. Belial has a really good salsa verde recipe, if you want one.

Depends on how difficult it is, and what's required. I have super-limited kitchen space, and my only heat-application devices are a shitty electric range, a toaster, and a microwave. On the other hand, it can't hurt to have more recipes for delicious food.

I should probably post a controversial opinion. Apparently some people think mayonnaise on chips (fries) is bad. I disagree, instead positing that mayonnaise on chips is best.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Dwarvyn » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:18 am UTC

Let's see...
  • Licorice is awesome, sweet or salty.
  • Single salted licorice is awesome. Double salted licorice is good. Triple salted licorice is amusing to eat in front of friends to convince them it's not poison, then see the look on their faces when they taste it themselves (my friends don't take much food advice from me).
  • Real cherries are horrible, but Maraschino cherries are awesome.
  • Chocolate sprinkles on buttered bread (not toast) is an excellent snack.
  • Peanut butter goes just fine with pickles.
  • There is such a thing as too sweet.
  • (Potato) chips are better when they're seasoned so much your tongue starts to burn after eating too much (dill pickle, salt and vinegar...)
  • Fries should be covered in any vinegar but white (malt, balsamic...), and a medium amount of seasoned salt.
  • Every bite of grilled cheese should have ketchup on it.
  • Summer sausage is delicious, the darker the better, but must contain no peppercorn (nasty surprises when you bite them).
  • Thick-cut grilled summer sausage makes for excellent hamburger replacement.
  • Egg whites should always be cooked, but egg yolks should always be runny.
  • Garlic. Everything tastes better with garlic.
  • Fish is horrible unless it's mostly tasteless, deep fried, and covered in tartar sauce.
  • Nori tastes like fish (see above).
  • Calamari is so very good, especially the tentacles (I find you can make them crunchy a lot easier than the rings without burning them).
  • Rosemary has no place in pesto. Or in much else for that matter.
  • White mac and cheese is MUCH better than orange (and should not have any ketchup on it, as opposed to orange).
  • Alcohol tastes bad.
  • Coffee/tea taste bad.
  • Maple is a horrible flavour. Pancakes should be covered in butter.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sandry » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:03 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:
poxic wrote:There are countries where a particular sauce or spice is IN EVERYTHING. In parts of the West, that is often pepper. Being allergic to pepper is kind of ass, for that reason.

Being allergic to onion would be similar amounts of arse, judging by a lot of the ingredients lists on the most innocuous of foodstuffs I've seen.

Yeah, I have a friend with said allergy, and I think she has taken up cooking (and is quite good at it) pretty much as a defense mechanism.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Bakemaster » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:22 pm UTC

I still haven't read up on this whole thread but here, it's up to y'all whether you think these are controversial, or maybe you just think I am from New Brunswick (right county, wrong state and temporal frame).

PB&J sandwiches can coexist with deli sandwiches by which I mean double-decker that shit and don't skimp on the mustard. Rice cakes instead of bread if you're doing it right.

Chocolate chip cookies can be broken up and put in chicken noodle soup like they was some kind of oyster crackers, and the result is as righteous as any elementary school cafeteria could ever be.

What's your breakfast? Cheerios with milk, and buttered toast? Who needs a spoon? USE THE TOAST.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:23 pm UTC

Dude, you're just advocating for 'mix all the things that are good with other things that are good'. That's not controversial, that's GENIUS.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Bakemaster » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:45 pm UTC

All I know is that when the cafeteria served chicken noodle soup and chocolate chip cookies at the same lunch where I went to elementary school, all the other kids would yell and scream when I ate them together and the dusty old lunch ladies would bitch me out FOR NO REASON OH MY GOD WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM I'M EATING SOUP.

Also I'm willing to wager that jelly and mustard on the same sandwich is controversial, despite ketchup being basically creamy tomato jelly.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby TheAmazingRando » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

The thought of slurping down a salty, soggy chunk of chocolate chip cookie is seriously upsetting my stomach right now.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby bigglesworth » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:12 am UTC

Why not make a game of it? :mrgreen:
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:57 am UTC

Bakemaster wrote:Also I'm willing to wager that jelly and mustard on the same sandwich is controversial, despite ketchup being basically unsalvageably vile creamy tomato and salt and salt and salt and fake sugar and salt jelly.


FTFY.

Though jelly and mustard doesn't sound so bad...it just sounds thin.

Also, there is such a thing as too much salt, and it comes much sooner than most people realize. I salt nothing, except bread, and hurry-the-fuck-up-and-boil-already water.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby poxic » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:01 am UTC

Raspberry mustard is a thing and is delicious, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to try PBJM.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby PAstrychef » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:56 am UTC

You can find many many mustards at the mustard museum.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:27 am UTC

The only mustard I like is honey mustard.

All other mustards can go to Hell Chicago for their coney dogs.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:19 pm UTC

EchoRomulus wrote:The only mustard I like is honey mustard.

All other mustards can go to Hell Chicago for their coney dogs.
Wat? So, dijon is bad? Because that's ludicrious...

Wait, I'm confused, I've never heard of a Chicago style hot dog referred to as a Coney dog...
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SurgicalSteel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:41 pm UTC

I'm almost positive they aren't, but I don't think EchoRomulus is from the US, so that's an understandable mistake.

Also: Honey mustard and dijon are amazing. Horseradish mustard is the devil.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sparkyb » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:46 pm UTC

Dwarvyn wrote:Chocolate sprinkles on buttered bread (not toast) is an excellent snack.

Do you mean hagelslag? Are you Dutch?

Dwarvyn wrote:Garlic. Everything tastes better with garlic.

This is not controversial.


Adding my own:
Anything "almond-flavored" actually tastes like cherry. Also, Dr. Pepper tastes like a cherry cola which makes Cherry Dr. Pepper make no sense.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:08 pm UTC

SurgicalSteel wrote:Also: Honey mustard and dijon are amazing. Horseradish mustard is the devil.

Sadly wrong. Horseradish mustard is like dijon ON METH (and therefore better).

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby teenidle » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:55 pm UTC

Dwarvyn wrote:Chocolate sprinkles on buttered bread (not toast) is an excellent snack.

chocolate sprinkles! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
seriously though, how are chocolate sprinkles controversial?

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby poxic » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:27 pm UTC

They taste like plastic and chalk.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:32 pm UTC

poxic wrote:They taste like plastic and chalk.


If you buy crap sprinkles, you get crap sprinkles.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:45 pm UTC

Chicago-

Coneys-

Both Chicago hotdogs and coney dogs have mustard.

So obviously a coney in Chicago would have mustard.

I've never had Dijon mustard. I thought it was just a fancy way to say "grainy"
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:53 pm UTC

EchoRomulus wrote:I've never had Dijon mustard. I thought it was just a fancy way to say "grainy"

It's not grainy; it's a brown mustard made with white wine.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:01 pm UTC

Sounds interesting. I might try it.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Dwarvyn » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:14 pm UTC

sparkyb wrote:Do you mean hagelslag? Are you Dutch?

I do mean hagelslag, and I am half Dutch. Croquettes are awesome. Pickled herring should be cremated... and well away from me so the fumes have no effect.

sparkyb wrote:
Dwarvyn wrote:Garlic. Everything tastes better with garlic.

This is not controversial.

And yet, you should see the faces made when garlic fudge is consumed.

sparkyb wrote:Anything "almond-flavored" actually tastes like cherry.

Oooh, now I'm wanting some marzipan.

teenidle wrote:seriously though, how are chocolate sprinkles controversial?

From what I can tell, it's the copious amounts of unmelted butter combined with the sprinkles and bread that most object to.

EchoRomulus wrote:The only mustard I like is honey mustard.

All other mustards can go to Hell Chicago for their coney dogs.

Honey is good; dijon is better. Steak? Marinate in dijon. Hamburger helper? Add dijon. Meatballs? Add dijon to the sauce. Since spice is nice but peppers are horrible abominations, dijon is a great way to get a bit of kick without ruining the flavour. It makes me sad that there's only really one sub place around here that has dijon as a sauce/topping.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:34 pm UTC

EchoRomulus wrote:I've never had Dijon mustard. I thought it was just a fancy way to say "grainy"
I think it has more to do with the vinegar; dijon mustard is kind of tart. You can have dijon mustard that is homogenized.

Also, 'Chicago style' is a pretty specific way of handling a hot dog, but I've never met anyone from Chicago (or New York even...) who really had much allegiance to a hometown style hotdog. The only people I've ever met who are purists about a hometown dish are people from Philly over the cheesesteaks, which is funny, because they insist that they require Cheesewiz, effectively making the sandwich worse than most places will actually make it.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:50 pm UTC

Strange. Have you somehow managed to avoid transplanted New Yorkers explaining to Bostonians how pizza "ought" to be made?

I'm sure doogly could help out in a pinch.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:02 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Strange. Have you somehow managed to avoid transplanted New Yorkers explaining to Bostonians how pizza "ought" to be made?

I'm sure doogly could help out in a pinch.
Ah, yeah, that's a good point, but to be fair, Boston pizza is mostly shitty. Except for Upper Crust, which is solid, but nothing like Deep Dish. I've complained about Boston pizza too.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:47 pm UTC

Pizza is much more controversial than hot dogs.

New Yorkers and Chicagoans tend to have a paper thin, dense crust. I've heard from my brother in Chicago that their standard uses sausage, not pepperoni, and the sausages are huge 1 cubic inch pieces which couldn't pair worse with the wafer thin crust.

Deep dish is starting to become known as "Detroit style" I've heard, which makes me happy. Finally a pizza that makes the crust the best part.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SurgicalSteel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

I enjoy explaining to people from NYC that they make pizza wrong, and Central California does it better (not really, even though I believe it to be true, I don't bring it up).
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby bigglesworth » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:47 pm UTC

Pizza should be thin, some tomato, not so much cheese, sparing addition of highly flavoured additional items. It's a flatbread, it shouldn't be at all fluffy.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:17 pm UTC

I don't believe there is such a thing as how pizza "should be". I think as long as it is structurally sound then you are fine, for instance, completely flat pies with cheese, pepperoni, and other toppings sliced appropriately thinly is just as fine as a thick pizza with chunky toppings.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SurgicalSteel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:29 pm UTC

It doesn't even have to be structurally sound for me. As long as the (everythingelse):crust ratio is greater than 1, I'm happy.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:46 pm UTC

It depends on the crust. New York style pizza crust sucks, and so you want as little of it as possible. Deep dish crust is fucking delicious, and works great with a higher crust to topping ratio.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby EchoRomulus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:57 pm UTC

Sometimes I find less is more.

I had a wonderful tomato and basil pizza.
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