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Most counterintuitive IT departments? (Merged: IT dept...)

Postby Revolution0 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:24 am UTC

What is the dumbest/most counterintuitive part of your school's network?

They disabled right clicking on the desktop (gives you an admin required message), but we can go into the command line. They also moved all of the textbooks into PDFs. Too bad we need admin access to run Acrobat reader. Oppressive IT departments.... :evil:

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby lulzfish » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:46 am UTC

Protip: Find a flash-drive version of Foxit Reader or something. You shouldn't need admin rights to run it, and it doesn't need to be installed.

My school's set up pretty well. We have Deep Freeze on all the computers, so you can't really screw up anything permanently. We've also got number locks on all the labs.

Except it's only 4 numbers, so you can just brute-force them until you get someone else's number, then use theirs.

Also, the BIOS doesn't have a password, so you can re-arrange the boot order and boot any of the computers from a LiveCD. And then you can edit the hard drive. Which kinda negates Deep Freeze, but who would ever do such a thing?

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Revolution0 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:52 am UTC

Sadly, they spent the summer fixing pretty much every potential exploit. (I used to bypass the madness by running SLAX) The BIOSes now require the admin password to boot from CD, and they've moved to a whitelist approach to programs. (Creating the issues with Acrobat)

Oh, and one more piece of fail: The combo locks for the laptop carts are all 1234. The one that isn't has the number on a piece of paper behind the cart's printer. Cart combo: 1963 (School's date of construction)

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Schmendreck » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:57 am UTC

The it department at my high school did not approve of students installing programs like firefox to the their network drives. Needless to say the solution to this was to create a script that searched all the student's network drives and delete all exe files and run it once a weekend.

Solution: Every friday go to your firefox directory and rename the executable to firefox.xex
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Omegaton » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:03 am UTC

Schmendreck wrote:The it department at my high school did not approve of students installing programs like firefox to the their network drives. Needless to say the solution to this was to create a script that searched all the student's network drives and delete all exe files and run it once a weekend.

Solution: Every friday go to your firefox directory and rename the executable to firefox.xex

Even better would be if you can run a script to do rename the file for you, although I don't know if that's applicable to you.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby jakemaheu » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:15 pm UTC

Schmendreck wrote:The it department at my high school did not approve of students installing programs like firefox to the their network drives. Needless to say the solution to this was to create a script that searched all the student's network drives and delete all exe files and run it once a weekend.

Solution: Every friday go to your firefox directory and rename the executable to firefox.xex


Why would schools do this? If they had any common sense, they would have installed it themselves. Our school has a policy wherein you can have any program installed my the admin as long as it is both free and open-source.

Only recently did all of my high school's computers get Firefox. For the past 8 years, I've only had IE to work with. We also have Blender, Paint.NET, GIMP, Audacity, Inkscape, OpenOffice, and Notepad++.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Vohu Manah » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:13 am UTC

jakemaheu wrote: Our school has a policy wherein you can have any program installed my the admin as long as it is both free and open-source.

Only recently did all of my high school's computers get Firefox. For the past 8 years, I've only had IE to work with. We also have Blender, Paint.NET, GIMP, Audacity, Inkscape, OpenOffice, and Notepad++.


Where the hell is that school! I thought it was illegal for an IT department to use logic.

One day my school decided to block everything. No search, no dictionary, no digg, no about.com, no wikipedia, nothing. After several weeks of complaints, they finally allowed Google (though they still block images and video ), one dictionary site, and Wikipedia. However, they don't block any ads, so while we can't go to Dogpile, we can look at ads for Hot singles in your area. they also require all computers to have the windows classic theme.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby polytope » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:19 am UTC

My school doesn't allow you to open a command prompt, but it lets you make and execute a batch file, which is pretty much the same thing. Using this, you can spam the entire school. (net send * spam)

Also, when the school tries to block something, they only block the menu used to get to it, instead of the actual thing.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby lemmings » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:37 am UTC

In the sophomore year of high school i discovered the computer lab. Shortly thereafter every computer had Halo, Worms, Civ4 and GMod. Administration wasn't very pleased so they installed deep freeze on all the systems over spring break, they didn't uninstall all of the games. With saved games disappearing we all started using the network drive that stored student's PowerPoint presentations and their essays.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby keeperofdakeys » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:22 pm UTC

my school blocks all outside exes
of course if you rename a program to winword.exe or excel.exe and place it anywhere on a usb drive (except the root of the drive for some reason) it will run
also most right clicking is disabled
and for some reason tabs in IE7 are blocked

the web has a block but there is unlimited ftp access and you can dreamweaver to access it without risking running outside programs (but I don't know how to exploit it)

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby wst » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:17 pm UTC

Lets just say that they upgraded the wireless encryption from WEP to WPA-PSK... and then chose 8 characters... w1r3l355

Oh. dear.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Internetmeme » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:22 pm UTC

wst wrote:Lets just say that they upgraded the wireless encryption from WEP to WPA-PSK... and then chose 8 characters... w1r3l355

Oh. dear.

Well, at least the password isn't "password" or "wireless".

At least they attempted to choose a good password.



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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby lemmings » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:26 pm UTC

wst wrote:Lets just say that they upgraded the wireless encryption from WEP to WPA-PSK... and then chose 8 characters... w1r3l355

Oh. dear.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby oxy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:15 pm UTC

polytope wrote:My school doesn't allow you to open a command prompt, but it lets you make and execute a batch file
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Yeah, my school does this too. If you try and open the shell normally, it displays an error and closes. But if you put COMMAND.COM in a .bat, and run it, it works.

Best thing is, it was my programming teacher that taught us how to do it.

My school isn't actually too bad, except that a lot of teachers treat the librarian as a tech expert, and try to have her "teach" us things on computers, when she couldn't work out google earth... or do really anything else that most teenagers couldn't work out.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:29 am UTC

My school's not too bad. The internet filter's not overly oppressive, and all the stuff about admins and control software has been thoroughly broken. For example, three years ago I found an open configuration window for the program that stopped us from running EXEs, right clicking, and all that stuff. I disabled everything and clicked "accept". I don't think they care much, because it's never been reactivated, and I've installed firefox on everything in the meantime.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby joshz » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:39 am UTC

My school's IT department's good. No web filter (but they do occasionally vnc in to make sure you're not breaking the rules.)
The allow Terminal, but no AppleScripts for some reason. (you can get AppleScripts to run in terminal). No installing programs, and a whitelist system for apps.

But they have firefox, openoffice, and audacity on all of the machines, which is cool.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby keeperofdakeys » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:47 am UTC

joshz wrote:My school's IT department's good. No web filter (but they do occasionally vnc in to make sure you're not breaking the rules.)
The allow Terminal, but no AppleScripts for some reason. (you can get AppleScripts to run in terminal). No installing programs, and a whitelist system for apps.

But they have firefox, openoffice, and audacity on all of the machines, which is cool.

sounds like you are running macs, which I'm sure wouldn't be too hard to fix, unlike windows

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Postby sje46 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:07 am UTC

I go to a college, so it's pretty good, and haven't found anything blocked in the clusters. I haven't, liked, tried to go on a porn site or anything, but I do browse Reddit. I have never seen anything saying anything is blocked. I'm allowed to install things too, and I can use the command prompt. The school has Firefox installed, and used to have AIM last year, but I don't know what happened to that. All students also get their own little webspace. So yeah, sallgud.

Middle school, though. The IT guy was very paranoid, and wouldn't allow anyone to do anything. Everything has a virus...everything. So you're not allowed to put anything in the computers. Which really wasn't a problem for me, when I went there, since I didn't even know how to write an email until sophomore or junior year of high school. That is when I ran into problems. I had a huge essay due Junior year...like 7 or so pages. And, umm...I procrastinated, a lot. It was either the last day or second to last day before it was due that our parents dropped my sister and I off so we can finish researching, writing it and print it at my town's library (we had no ...probably the only family in the state's richest town who didn't have a computer that can manage the internet). the library is very small, and had two computers. The librarians, eldery, unpleasant people, took all their IT advice from the IT guy from the school. This meant no floppies, no emails, no CDs, and no INTERNET. So, yeah. My sister had to rewrite what she had from memory, and I managed to pop a floppy in (either that, or I managed to get n my email...I can't recall if they had interneta an Internet or not). So yeah, they sucked.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby joshz » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:57 am UTC

keeperofdakeys wrote:
joshz wrote:My school's IT department's good. No web filter (but they do occasionally vnc in to make sure you're not breaking the rules.)
The allow Terminal, but no AppleScripts for some reason. (you can get AppleScripts to run in terminal). No installing programs, and a whitelist system for apps.

But they have firefox, openoffice, and audacity on all of the machines, which is cool.

sounds like you are running macs, which I'm sure wouldn't be too hard to fix, unlike windows
Yeah. Plus, if someone manages to fubar one, they just reimage it.(student files are stored on a server, so you can get to them anywhere after you log in.)
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Crazyjosh » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:23 pm UTC

our IT guys are a bit daft, they've spent ages putting up Software Restriction Policies and then they managed to leave "Run" and "Regedit" open, so everyone just used that to unblock everything, and no-ones bothered to put the blocks back. the internet filter's annoyingly good however, as it won't let you on anything involving games so things like Armorgames and Miniclip and even Xbox.com have been blocked. fortunately we've found spreadsheet ninja, and the IT guys can't block games embedded in speadsheets, so they've kinda given up. and the C: drive is totally open :P they're a bit hopeless

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Internetmeme » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:09 pm UTC

My school lets us bring laptops (hooray for finally getting with the times!) to take notes in class.

The girl in my class who has a netbook plays games on it when we have a sub.

Note to self: Get a battery for my laptop
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Dromtry » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

My school requires everyone have a flash drive for transferring files to and from school, mainly to eliminate the "My printer broke" excuse. This is fine and dandy, flash drives cost $10 at Wal-Mart for 4 GB, which is plenty for the Word and PowerPoint documents most people need. It's all good until you go to eject your important file containing drive, and the "Safely Remove Hardware" functionality has been removed. Nine times out of ten there's no problems, but it's the year-long research paper that is going to corrupt the drive and make you lose all of your final projects, be them papers, presentations, arrangements, CAD files, everything.
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Postby Internetmeme » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:06 pm UTC

Dromtry wrote:My school requires everyone have a flash drive for transferring files to and from school, mainly to eliminate the "My printer broke" excuse. This is fine and dandy, flash drives cost $10 at Wal-Mart for 4 GB, which is plenty for the Word and PowerPoint documents most people need. It's all good until you go to eject your important file containing drive, and the "Safely Remove Hardware" functionality has been removed. Nine times out of ten there's no problems, but it's the year-long research paper that is going to corrupt the drive and make you lose all of your final projects, be them papers, presentations, arrangements, CAD files, everything.

Mine removed that too. I can't see a single way that could be abused. Probably some idiot IT guy thinking "Oh shit! The little cheeky bastards'll take out the hard drive!", when really the safely remove hardware thing just removes USB stuff.
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Postby Dromtry » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:10 pm UTC

Internetmeme wrote:Mine removed that too. I can't see a single way that could be abused. Probably some idiot IT guy thinking "Oh shit! The little cheeky bastards'll take out the hard drive!", when really the safely remove hardware thing just removes USB stuff.

That's what I assume it's all about. It's not even like they have anything else accessed via USB, no external drives or anything like that, only the network server.
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Postby P13808 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:23 pm UTC

We have a really evil web filter. It blocks basically everything useful, but "bad" sites are accessible. Except. . .https:// sites are excepted. Facebook and gMail are in high use.

There's also HDD Sheriff which undoes everything to the hard drive on reboot. I can still hide stuff in my network drive, but make the registry a pain. I'm considering attempting to use a live CD and wiping it.

It's been proved an epic fail as a group of 7th graders guessed the password to the main server. If someone wouldn't have gone to the administrators and busted them, they had access to change any password, file, grade, anything. They changed several passwords and on the verge of taking down the whole school system's network.
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby kvothe10 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:31 pm UTC

My Schools ITs just watch the students who get on, and when the go to a website that they dont want allowed, they block it. However, even though they blocked the site that allows access to TOR, they havent tired to block you from having .exe files on thumbdrives. so my friend and I both use TOR when we know they aren't watching us (a little eye pops up on the task bar when they are) and go to blocked sites (facebook, ect.) and we haven't been caught yet.

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Postby Internetmeme » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:43 pm UTC

P13808 wrote:4 week ban.

What do they do for watching porn? A 10 minute ban? Seriously, they almost took down the network, and they didn't get banned the whole year?
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Postby P13808 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:55 pm UTC

Internetmeme wrote:
P13808 wrote:4 week ban.

What do they do for watching porn? A 10 minute ban? Seriously, they almost took down the network, and they didn't get banned the whole year?


No, porn yields expulsion and the computer is reformatted.

Just to make it worse, one of the kids(leader) had been "permanently banned" twice already.
(EDIT: First "permaban" was for net send. Not sure about the second, but probably similar)

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby keeperofdakeys » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:01 am UTC

Dromtry wrote:
Internetmeme wrote:Mine removed that too. I can't see a single way that could be abused. Probably some idiot IT guy thinking "Oh shit! The little cheeky bastards'll take out the hard drive!", when really the safely remove hardware thing just removes USB stuff.

That's what I assume it's all about. It's not even like they have anything else accessed via USB, no external drives or anything like that, only the network server.

If you right click on it you can get into the usb driver and uninstall it, of course you CAN disable the right click and use only the left click, but that would be too obvious

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Postby Internetmeme » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:50 am UTC

P13808 wrote:
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P13808 wrote:4 week ban.

What do they do for watching porn? A 10 minute ban? Seriously, they almost took down the network, and they didn't get banned the whole year?


No, porn yields expulsion and the computer is reformatted.

Just to make it worse, one of the kids(leader) had been "permanently banned" twice already.
(EDIT: First "permaban" was for net send. Not sure about the second, but probably similar)

Oh! You do a useless activity and you get permabanned, but you almost knock down the network and you get a 4-week ban!

I get it!
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:56 am UTC

When I first read the above post, I thought the "harmless activity" was the porn, and was surprised at how open Internetmeme's opinions on the uses of public school Internet access were.
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Postby Internetmeme » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:58 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:When I first read the above post, I thought the "harmless activity" was the porn, and was surprised at how open Internetmeme's opinions on the uses of public school Internet access were.

Yes, the "harmless activity" was porn. And no, I don't watch any, since I know that will be brought up.

I was just contrasting the two things. Something that only affects that computer (and possible a few others if a virus is downloading), and having your finger on the button to take down the network.
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:00 am UTC

Oh, I thought you were referring to net send.
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Postby Internetmeme » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:32 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Oh, I thought you were referring to net send.

That's even worse! Oh wow, some kids figured out you can IM each other. Big deal. LETS PERMABAN EM FOR FIGURING THIS OUT!
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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby dragoneye1589 » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:16 am UTC

Now that I'm at university I don't have to deal with stupid IT, I just use my laptop to connect to the schools network.

My high school had deepfreeze on all the computers and a lot of features blocked on the computers. That didn't stop us from installing starcraft on the computers every class and playing that. We also had some computers running Ubuntu, and they had the same password as the admin account for the CMS that the school website used. So a friend and I used that password to insert some scripting onto the school homepage to send 1/3 of all users to a joke website that I made.

Then we had a mac lab, which was so locked down that we could only run the specific programs they allowed. Somehow with my complaints the teacher gave me the admin password for the entire system, which gave me access to everything, including the server that the schools website was run off of. I couldn't do anything because I was the only student with the password, but that didn't stop me from bringing the applications I wanted to run for the computers.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby IcedTrees » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:14 am UTC

Excellent, IT departments.

Our IT department is pretty awesome. You can basically do whatever you want. Registry editing, executables, basically everything except stuff that is absolutely stupid, like illegal websites. The people are pretty friendly too. Installers blocked, but who's going to want to install anything? The teachers patrol every computer lab class so that you can hardly run a simple flash game, nevermind some massive installer. Anyway, 45 minutes is hardly enough for a good Heroes of Newerth match.

But they often do scans on your school computer's personal drive to look for suspicious files. People often get pwned for having games and things like that.

The thing is, most of our school and its teachers are computer-illiterate. The average schoolperson would have never heard of C, and still haven't figured out how to add action settings to Powerpoint presentations despite using it for about half of the assignments we get.

Some of our assignments are open-type as well, so you can do whatever you want. Which means you can invent some interactive simulation of some battle for history and make a simple algebra solver for maths. It's aweeeeeesome.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Squid Tamer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:33 pm UTC

My school's filter blocks things like "Nazi" and "Ku Klux Klan".
You know what we spend months studying? WWII and segregation.

Makes in-school research fun. :roll:

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby lemmings » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:44 am UTC

Squid Tamer wrote:My school's filter blocks things like "Nazi" and "Ku Klux Klan".
You know what we spend months studying? WWII and segregation.

Makes in-school research fun. :roll:

Because the words are so much more disturbing than the actions.

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby d0nk3y_k0n9 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:33 pm UTC

Squid Tamer wrote:My school's filter blocks things like "Nazi" and "Ku Klux Klan".
You know what we spend months studying? WWII and segregation.

Makes in-school research fun. :roll:


Yeah, I've definitely had some similar experiences with my school's web filter.

You know whats worse? Websites blocked under the category "Education/Reference".

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Re: Most counterintuitive IT departments?

Postby Revolution0 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:36 pm UTC

They just took away the IDE/compilers for the C++ course because someone was compiling Quake III on the school comps. Killing everyone in a course works so much better than punishing one person....


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