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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:04 pm UTC

Secret Santa
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Before I forget: Blue Dragon is the name of the Town faction in the new online Mafia game Throne of Lies. Just in case anyone was wondering.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby flicky1991 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:01 pm UTC

Secret Santa
Spoiler:
I've been avoiding spoilers just in case more replacements are needed, but I'm tempted to look just to find out what the hell Sabrar is up to in this game...
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:06 pm UTC

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Spoiler:
part of me hopes sabrar is town just to see the reaction when I flip town
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:07 pm UTC

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I would like to formally apologize to wam for all the frustration I'm clearly causing him, no matter his alignment. It's not my usual style.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:38 pm UTC

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daggum my noobiness and big mouth is gonna get me got
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:06 am UTC

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As per original plan I've been hinting at Day-Cop like crazy, will be sad if nobody picks up on it.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm UTC

Secret Santa

Spoiler:
Looking on the bright side at least if I do get lynched I should have an easy run when I'm scum for the first time in ages. As I can just point back to this and werewolf and go see I am always scummy.

Ps I know people will read this after the game so invalidating it!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:06 pm UTC

PS if it gets to it tomorrow I am willing to claim but given its secret santa I don't think it will help (too many possibilities).
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:12 pm UTC

Uh... did you mean to spoil this or post in the secret Santa thread?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:17 pm UTC

Peaceful Whale wrote:Uh... did you mean to spoil this or post in the secret Santa thread?


Post in secret santa oops :oops:
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 pm UTC

Secret Santa 2017:
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Well, looks like bessie and I are getting through today with no issues, and short of lucky night results on us, I'd be surprised if there are any issues tomorrow. A mislynch today could easily lead to the other wagon being the lynch target tomorrow, with the way things are going. I just hope there isn't an SK, and that moody's redirection doesn't cause us to hit ourselves with the kill. Moody let slip that his ability was predictable, so bessie and I have a theory about the possible options, and have planned our abilities accordingly. Unfortunately, the idea only works perfectly if a) we're right, and b) Madge gets lynched. Wam getting lynched is okay, but could lead to a slip by us.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:14 am UTC

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queue post from sabrar saying I a trying to stay alive and risking a no lynch.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:15 pm UTC

wam wrote:Secret Santa

Spoiler:
queue post from sabrar saying I a trying to stay alive and risking a no lynch.


Santa

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apparently I was wrong. Also don't think I remeber a d1 lynch this close.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby moody7277 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:53 pm UTC

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Well, playing chicken with the deadline is kind of annoying, but I have zero expectation of scum not looking in the spoiler. This way they hopefully don't have time to change their plan. See you in the morning, maybe.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:29 pm UTC

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Well, damn.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:41 pm UTC

Secret Santa.
Spoiler:
:mrgreen:

I’m sorry Wam, I really liked your ability, but Madge has a cool one too. Don’t be too discouraged, I bet you’ll do better next time!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:54 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Secret Santa
Spoiler:
I would like to formally apologize to wam for all the frustration I'm clearly causing him, no matter his alignment. It's not my usual style.


Secret Santa (sabrar may read)

Spoiler:
no worries I had fun!


Secret Santa (No living players may read)

Spoiler:
Read through the spoilers. Town is doomed.


Peaceful Whale wrote:Secret Santa.
Spoiler:
:mrgreen:

I’m sorry Wam, I really liked your ability, but Madge has a cool one too. Don’t be too discouraged, I bet you’ll do better next time!


Santa

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I had far more fun than normal d1. I also tend to be a better scum player or used to be. Now watch me get lynched d1 as the unlockable godfather
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:04 pm UTC

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Well, we're off to a bad start. I have no clue where to look for scum. I still don't know what Sabrar's been doing, I really hope it was part of a plan that he'll explain tomorrow.

I hope I get a result.

I don't think moody was telling the truth about his power. Specifically, I don't think the player list is the list he used. He mentioned he'd provide a reads list for voting and power usage earlier. Because he crumbed that I think he's town
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby flicky1991 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:11 pm UTC

Peaceful Whale wrote:FYI
It is night, no posting. But I’ll let that slide Wam.
I can’t really modvote him...
7. If you have been killed in game, don't say anything for the rest of the game except a simple, "Bah, you got me," which reveals no information. Or something along those lines, without giving out any information or hints to anyone still playing.
I think wam was just following this rule.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:13 pm UTC

flicky1991 wrote:
Peaceful Whale wrote:FYI
It is night, no posting. But I’ll let that slide Wam.
I can’t really modvote him...
7. If you have been killed in game, don't say anything for the rest of the game except a simple, "Bah, you got me," which reveals no information. Or something along those lines, without giving out any information or hints to anyone still playing.
I think wam was just following this rule.


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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:19 pm UTC

There's this rule before that rule:
2. You may post in thread during the day phase but not the night phase.
:P
But I doubt this would cause any trouble
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:25 pm UTC

Secret Santa 2017:
Spoiler:
Don't know what to make of moody's last minute claim. I'm currently targeting moody,
but I don't expect to hit him - chances are I'll hit either Suzaku or plytho, but if I do hit moody, N2 should be fun. I'm also waiting to see Sabrar's reaction to wam's flip. That should be fun to see.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:35 pm UTC

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I agree with wam, town is screwed.

@mods: did you keep the translation part of my power?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:39 pm UTC

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Do it Sabrar! You know you want to! :mrgreen:

So here's what happened N1:
Moody activated his power which made everyone's targets shift down by one slot. Scum had already guess this was moody's power before he even claimed it (jimbob's special power--as a player--is to guess people's abilities based on no information at all, if you'll recall, so they knew this basically as soon as moody gave his first hint about his power)

bessie was going to poison somitomi. She was redirected to Liri. Liri is now poisoned and will die N3.
Sabrar took no action.
jimbob targeted moody and was redirected to plytho. jimbob gains plytho's powers.
moody is bulletproof for D2/N2.
plytho was killed.
Suzaku took no action.
Madge targeted Sabrar with her power and was redirected to somitomi. somitomi has received complete instructions for Madge's ability.
Liri swapped Sabrar onto Madge, but this was changed to somitomi onto jimbob.
somitomi doctors jimbob, swapped to moody by moody, then back to jimbob by Liri.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:40 pm UTC

Secret Santa @plytho:
Spoiler:
Not exactly. Generally, I tried to simplify some of the very complicated mechanics. One of the button combinations now simply sends a complete record of what the object does to the targeted player.

By coincidence, this is what Madge actually did, so somitomi can tell Madge exactly what all of the buttons do.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 pm UTC

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Oh, in answer to Madge about why scum were allowed to reveal their submitted roles to each other.

The rule about not being able to describe your role was in Secret Santa 2015. It appears to me that scum had this advantage in that game as well, but it's hard for me to be absolutely certain.

Generally, I feel that the main advantage mafia has is information asymmetry over Town, so my expectation (and my experience as scum) is that mods are usually much more generous about the information mafia can share with each other, and aren't usually bound by posting restrictions in their private chat. I feel that it would be difficult for Mafia to coordinate with each other if they were required to keep things from each other and essentially invent reasons to want to kill/target a particular player if they thought that they had their role. In the grand scheme of whether or not this will imbalance the setup horribly, my inclination is probably not. But I'm definitely happy to have this discussion with people postgame.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:51 pm UTC

wam wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:
Peaceful Whale wrote:FYI
It is night, no posting. But I’ll let that slide Wam.
I can’t really modvote him...
7. If you have been killed in game, don't say anything for the rest of the game except a simple, "Bah, you got me," which reveals no information. Or something along those lines, without giving out any information or hints to anyone still playing.
I think wam was just following this rule.


I was!


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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:52 pm UTC

Do we use the mod sign up list anymore?

I am contemplating starting writing a game for post Christmas but I don't want to jump the queue.

I also have two possible routes

1) A semi open game with a few twists but should be reasonably newbie friendly and easy.
2) A complex bastard game

What would people prefer?

Also I am not that great at flavour so a co-mod who is would be great.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 pm UTC

I'm for the newbie-friendly option, but I'm biased. The rest of the questions I can't answer...
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby flicky1991 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:28 pm UTC

If a newbie-friendly game shows up then I might play.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 am UTC

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I moved Sabrar's target to Madge (I was expecting a confirmation PM...). Madge wasn't killed. Fifty-fifty the scum buddy carried it out though. If Sabrar starts looking worse, I won't be able to do anything about it. Suzaku is looking pretty suspicious, if only because of low content.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:34 am UTC

Santa

Spoiler:
Ahhh!!! Culture did not transmit properly and the role PM that flipped for my item did not actually make sense.

Hot cross buns are a traditional EASTER pastry, and the joke is that they get sold closer and closer to Christmas every year (they get sold as early as the day after xmas in fact).
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:54 am UTC

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Spoiler:
Don't worry Madge, I figured it out. :D

I'm glad Madge pushed the right button. I hope somitomi shares some info for her to use. Sharing which buttons are doctor and cop shouldn't be risky.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 am UTC

Madge wrote:Santa

Spoiler:
Ahhh!!! Culture did not transmit properly and the role PM that flipped for my item did not actually make sense.

Hot cross buns are a traditional EASTER pastry, and the joke is that they get sold closer and closer to Christmas every year (they get sold as early as the day after xmas in fact).


Secret Santa
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Oops, sorry about that... I had never heard or seen any hot cross buns.... I guessed.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:33 pm UTC

Secret Santa (@wam)
Spoiler:
Seeing how slow things are going without you and plytho I seriously regret my actions from D1. :)

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:26 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Secret Santa (@wam)
Spoiler:
Seeing how slow things are going without you and plytho I seriously regret my actions from D1. :)


Santa sabrar may read

Spoiler:
we did create 50% of the content.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby moody7277 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:52 pm UTC

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Couple of flavor points I wanted to mention and didn't want to clutter the game thread.

First, peppermint shiv. That's gotta hurt. It also brought to mind this OoTS quote

OoTS 615 wrote:My last breath...is also my mintiest.


Second, it's been two years in a row now that we've lynched the role I submitted D1. Not sure what to make of that.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby BoomFrog » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:42 pm UTC

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Spoiler:
I haven't read any spoilers yet. Sabrar's behaviour D2 is very entertaining. He's definitely not scum. He's far too risk adverse to play this way as scum.

I wonder if he doesn't act like this in games with me because I do the pot stirring for him?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:12 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Secret Santa
Spoiler:
I haven't read any spoilers yet. Sabrar's behaviour D2 is very entertaining. He's definitely not scum. He's far too risk adverse to play this way as scum.

I wonder if he doesn't act like this in games with me because I do the pot stirring for him?


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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:18 pm UTC

Secret Santa 2017:
Spoiler:
jimbobmacdoodle wrote:If this is the case, we might as well give up now :lol:
What's scarier than a Sabrar + bessie scum team? Perhaps a jimbob + bessie scum team :twisted:
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