Alright, let's start with the scum slips. The first is here
, "to lynch the power role first", implying that username and faubiguy were both town with the fact that username was a PR being the distinguishing factor. Admittedly weak, but worth a prod. Following that prod, we get the second more impressive slip here
, calling username "the only town power role", implying that we are in setup 4 instead of 6. Only scum could have known that. After this is brought up, Echo revises to "*Active* power role", which is within the realm of possible town responses, but I think town would very rarely make that mistake in the first place. The setup being an unknown, town are careful not to talk in absolutes, you know? As I said before, not a slam-dunk, but it's good.
The next two major points sort of go together, but I'll address them individually. Echo didn't have much of an opinion on faubiguy in Day 1, though she had him second place on the sliders
without much reason early on (he could have just as easily been a neutral read, but Opus had already brought up the scummy bits of faubiguy's only post, so at this point I think we've got a follow-the-townie thing going on). Day 2 starts
and faubiguy tops her scum list, though bessie and I get much more attention in that post. This is what I meant by "double-speak regarding the faubiguy lynch". She's saying one thing, but pushing another.
***I guess we can also add here the fact that her top two lynch choices, username and faubiguy, were the two wagons Day 1, but she's still inclined to blame everyone else for actually being on the wagons. This response
to Yablo basically spells that out, where she's implying that Yablo's vote could have saved the Day, when the same is obviously true of her own vote.***
But back to faubiguy, it's just another post
where she talks about nothing but bessie and me, with a throw-away sentence devoted to faubiguy: "Behaviourally, faubiguy has been scummiest, and voted username, after the uncontested Jailkeeper claim" is again the double-speak, where she wants to be perceived as wanting to lynch faubiguy, probably because she still thinks the Day is going to go that way, but super-extra wants to get the wagon to shift to me or bessie. She talks about how scummy faubiguy is a couple more times, but you get the idea - it's actions vs. words here.
As for that, the faubiguy wagon goes nowhere for a time. I guess Echo took that as an invitation to try to overtly get something started against me. This was very confusing to me initially since I couldn't really reconcile that move in a scumEcho, townfaubiguy world. Therefore, maybe Echo's town? But no, it makes good sense in an Echo/faubiguy scumteam to make this move (especially
if the sentiment that they couldn't be scum buddies held), and is a big part of the reason I think those two are scum buddies. Her pushes against faubiguy (which I took to mean they were opposite alignment) were not pushes at all, they look like nothing but distancing.
Anyway! The point of this third bit is overconfidence, and a willingness to apparently throw the game away if she's wrong. For that reason, dichotomies like this are VERY atypical from town. Dichotomies are just about the sole province of desperate scum, her desperation apparently coming from the fact that I'd caught two slips from her. Speaking as townEcho, this narrative she's drawn up doesn't come close to the confidence she's showing. Her entire case revolves around one line from me
, "I think if faubiguy flips town, Echo is almost certainly scum" which she calls "planning for a mislynch in advance" when it's really just me talking through the fact that I had two scumreads that (at the time) seemed mutually exclusive. That's it, it's weak, and she knows it's weak ("Yeah, it's not much. He's good."). So why does she even believe it in the face of what was apparently a strong scum read on faubiguy? She shouldn't. Town wouldn't, and certainly wouldn't frame it as a dichotomy to hand the mafia the game in the event that she's wrong.
1) I caught some weak scum slips...
2) ... which scared Echo into pushing a dichotomy against me in the face of her apparent faubiguy scum read...
3) ... that she never acted on and was always very happy to pay only the smallest lip service to in case the wagon actually ever started.
I suppose I could respond to Echo's three points here too...
Echo244 wrote:*Has been pushing - voting even - for faubiguy all day, dead certain, not lurking nor alleged scumslip by anyone else has changed his mind;
This is flatly not true. faubiguy was a good place to start based on moody's death and his rather poor responses to my questions Day 1. I asked him some follow up questions along with my vote to give them credit. If I was dead certain, I'd have done a case and let that speak for itself.
You claim I was pushing for his lynch. Can you link even one place where I pushed the lynch? I only mentioned him on two occasions as far as I can tell: to ask bessie's opinion (mainly to help with reading her), and on his relationship to you. That's it. Almost this entire Day has been devoted to my developing scum read on you.
Echo244 wrote:*Nobody's really stood up to this, so I think scum are comfortable with his lynch;
You're using this as proof that faubiguy is town, presumably because scum would stand up for their buddies. Besides the fact that scum will usually NOT defend their buddies*, this is no proof at all since town players will sometimes defend others too, whether they are town or scum. Look at username.*They will usually do one of two things: 1) Try to move conversation elsewhere, often paying lip service to their buddy's wagon just in case they aren't successful at shifting the direction (basically, exactly what I see in your Day 2 interaction with faubiguy), or 2) Go hard against the buddy in order to clear themselves as town when they are lynched (also known as "bussing", ie: throwing their buddy under the bus).
Echo244 wrote:*Has lined me up for D3 if faubiguy flips town, and I'm town with only one way to prove that.
I said this above, but yes, in the absence of other information I probably would have pushed you if we'd lynched townfaubiguy toDay. At this point that's not going to happen for several reasons, hopefully one of them being that you're both scum.