plytho wrote:Also backcountry camping sounds cool, enjoy your trip!
Thanks, it was fun! Weather was beautiful, so though there was snow on the ground when we hiked in and set up camp, it was mostly melted by the second day. That snow reflected sunlight like crazy though, so we all ended up sunburnt. I feel like a bad parent - my son has a pretty big blister on his cheek from his sunburn. We were wearing hats, but the reflection was enough to cook us well. Overall, a great trip though!
Gopher of Pern (1): bessie
Noted for posterity.
LaserGuy, this is from your first post of Day 2. Why did you think this was important?
Gopher of Pern wrote:We are also assuming that supernatural means scum. It may be possible that an indy or town may be supernatural. I doubt it (as that would essentially make one a miller), but its worth considering.
Supernatural doesn't mean human with magical abilities. From conversation with mpolo, it sounds like they're monsters, or at least non-human. Pretty sure that any town would have investigated as not supernatural unless they were a monster themselves somehow.
BoomFrog wrote:SDK, if this is a part of your puzzle
Speak it now or forever hold your peace.
I am town, not independent.
- I am on the townie side of neutral despite being referred to as "a man of low character". Throughout the Day, I continually slide further and further towards scum while it seems others generally agree that I am becoming more townie if anything (as is my usual course, I suppose).
I recall a recent story where,
a man such as you was proclaimed King of town,
at last he was the wickedest of all.
It is my charge then to remember,
And ensure history's cycle is not too swift,
to bring us to that same cursed fate.
That doesn't really follow with your actions later. It sounds like you're saying you were just scared I might be scum, but then came up with pretty bad reasons for thinking so at the time.
Overall, I see a lot of reasons to believe BoomFrog is scum, and nothing to make me believe he is town. Someone mentioned that he's being more helpful this game, but I don't even see that - he's being less direct and less earnest in his scumhunting, and that's the key here. Maybe I should have pushed this yesterday instead of Madge. In any case, I do believe DethStalker is likely town, especially if BoomFrog is scum, so I'd rather do this. I realize deadline is in an hour, but if you like this case, make your vote. Since a tie just initiates an extension, there is no risk.
In light of day DethStalker is revealed,
If the horse stumbles the wagon follows,
If the wagon pulls is the horse born back?
Perhaps being direct doesn't suit
an enthusiastic fool.
In addition to the masterful prose, I liked this post for the most part, though you didn't answer my other questions. There have been a few along the way that you've ignored.SirGabriel feels okay
SDK wrote:You? Shut up? Now that's surprising.
You know what? You're completely right. It's incredibly boring when everyone leaves for the weekend, and with me being in a different timezone we'll have precious little time to talk when you return.
1. Why did you have YOLOSWAG as townie here
? What is your opinion of him right now?
2. You've tried twice to shift the lynch away from DethStalker. Did you think his content would improve?
3. Your case on BoomFrog depends multiple times on his reads being inconsistent when considering scum-teams. However this is completely off-base if we have 2 of those which was already heavily discussed by that time. Why did you not take that into account?
1. He felt like regular old YOLOSWAG. Wasn't a strong read, but stronger than my pile of neutrals there. I didn't like his content at the opening of Day 2, and now he's disappeared (for real reasons), though it seems he's very disconnected from the game. I think you later state that he doesn't seem to care much who we lynch, and I can see that in his posting as well (which mirrors his play in the last game). Him being scum is believable, though I'll want to check it out in more detail myself.
2. Whether or not his content improved, I'm not interested in lynching townies. It was pure luck that he flipped scum and his wagon left us flopping Day 2 because it wasn't as helpful as it could have been. Part of the reason I fight back against wagons like that is because even if they do end up lynched, at least I get to see how people react to my posts (and you get to ask me this question because I didn't follow the blind lynch).
3. I didn't think there were two scum teams, I thought it was more likely there was an SK. I'm still not 100% convinced we have two teams.
I'm conflicted on LaserGuy vs. Bessie. This looks like scum-style tunneling
, but it's true that Bessie is acting weird (especially here
). I'll get back to that in a minute...
plytho feels... wrong somehow. I can't put words to it yet, just his writing style. Like here
. Need to do a player readthrough. This
doesn't feel like he's trying to read BoomFrog, more that he's trying to defend YOLO.
DGames | Bard wrote:BoomFrog seems to be a popular topic as well, but I don't really have a strong opinion on him. If I have time, I'll do a quick reread of some of the other slots to see what I can find.
Was that "I don't really have a strong opinion on him" based on a reread of BoomFrog? You make no comment on him at all here, which is strange.
I have no idea why people are reading Gopher of Pern as scummy. I mean, he's made some mistakes (or as BoomFrog puts it later, "out-loud musing"), but this is town Gopher talking here. Should reread to confirm that, but I'm pretty certain.
Sabrar2.0 is almost certainly town as well.
I like LaserGuy a little more now that he's picking on plytho
. That exchange leaves him looking pretty good and plytho a little worse.
Gopher of Pern wrote:YOLO strikes me as the kind of person who would totally bus the hell out of an unhelpful teammate.
Yes, he happily trades teammates for town cred, which is usually not a good trade in my experience. YOLO nightkilled a teammate in a previous game just so he could claim vig.
#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:However, this post is quite foul. SDK, are you SURE bessie is town?
I do not know that for a fact, but I strongly strongly suspect that she has a win condition that is in line with the town win condition. It's possible she's neutral, but not something like an SK. Based on my role PM, she can at least win with town (which I therefore read as likely town).
Yeah, YOLO seems a good choice
. I'll confirm that before I vote, but that actually makes my life a lot easier.
LaserGuy wrote: And? Why does Town!bessie care about whether or not you're at the top of everyone's list? How does this entire tangent help town? If people are correctly reading you as town, that's a good thing, and not something you should be worried about.
I think you have that backwards. Scum!Bessie would be very happy to sit back and let everyone rubber stamp her townie and put her at the top of their town lists based on meta and an unquestioned claim. Town!Bessie should be quite suspicious of some people's motivations.
And I guess town!bessie would bother explaining all this too? You guys are arguing over WIFOM.
SDK wrote:Are you asking this because bessie is town? Because she is. Good to know that someone else got that confirmation in their role PM too.
He could have later claimed that this was one of his antics, but he didn’t. He doubled down.
Did you intentionally wait to comment on it until after I had doubled down? Why?
Bessie, do you think LaserGuy is scum?
BoomFrog wrote:Can you post what you partially have? It's less than 24 hours to deadline after already extending. At this point it feels like you are avoiding posting for fear of making a mistake. Why not post bits and pieces as you think of them?
Sorry, almost done. I was contemplating claiming my role to clear up everything with Bessie, alongside solidifying my read of DGames and LaserGuy. I don't think that's necessary now.
Gopher of Pern - This is town Gopher.
Znirk/Sabrar - This is town Sabrar.
Bessie - Mod "confirmed", but feeling different (not scummy, different).
dimochka - Feels town. Haven't given him much thought since mid-Day 1.
BoomFrog - Feels a lot better Day 2. Answer my questions.
SirGabriel - Not sure. He's got enough content that I should have a read here.
freezeblade/kalira - Hopefully kalira can finish catching up soon. No read yet.
DGames | Bard - Disengaged and a few ticks of active lurking here and there. Would like to see more involved. I should grill him at some point.
LaserGuy - Continues to have strings of scummy posts followed by strings of townie posts. Not sure how to read that.
Madge - Yeah, she can stay here until I see a good reason to budge.
plytho - If YOLOSWAG is scum, plytho is most likely buddy. Need to reread.
#HBC | YOLOSWAG - Seems likely. Reread incoming.