DGames | Bard wrote:In any event, something rubs me the wrong way about the bessie confirmation, as well as the votes at the beginning of the day phase! Forgive me, as I am new here, and so I am still ascertaining the qualities of this stage; where art thy proof of Bessie's innocence? And, can we assume that there are at least 2 forms of vote manipulation at play?
If the few fine individuals of this act that are implying that Bessie is Town based on evidence that Bessie is being voted for at day start by aforementioned nefarious forces, isn't it possible that a scum aligned role targeted another scum aligned role? The flavor seems to imply that there may be two scum factions, but I'm not sure how frequently this sort of thing transpires. Perhaps a more seasoned veteran can offer their wisdom on this matter.
You've stated previously that my confirmation of bessie "rubbed you the wrong way" because you didn't see why I would reveal it so early. That doesn't jive well with the bolded, though. You didn't even understand why Bessie was confirmed. If LaserGuy is mentioned in your role PM as Bessie is in mine, I don't understand how you could have failed to understand what was going on here.
Waaaaaait a minute. Yeah, I didn't really understand why Bessie was confirmed Town at the start. My first impressions were that it was some sort of joke, similar to RVS in DGames (lots of joke voting, claims, etc. that gets discussion spurred), or perhaps people were saying the initial votes at the start of the game implied that Bessie was Town. I was all sorts of, as I explained earlier, bamboozled.
But, uh, what does this have to do with why I felt your claim rubbed me the wrong way after I understood what happened?
Here's the thing: you claimed Bessie was Town right out the gate based on your role pm. This isn't a Townie thing to do; if you are telling the truth, you are effectively jeopardizing Bessie and leaving her to the demons of the night to kill her off, as I said earlier. Of course it rubs me the wrong way, it rubs everyone the wrong way, which is why you have been under a lot of scrutiny! Also, it seemed weird to me that there were two roles that had people confirmed Town to the other in what appears to be an unreciprocated way
; Bessie, as far as I remember, does not have any information pertaining to your being.
Bard, one thing I noticed going through Day 1 is that you had zero town reads. You called out Gopher, Dethstalker and the lurkers as people who had caught your attention, but never once seemed to consider anyone town, or engage with someone as if you thought they were town (other than LaserGuy). Why is that? Did you have any town reads?
Sure I did! I didn't explicitly say what they were because it's not in my interest to divulge that information publicly to scum. Read lists seem to be kind of popular here, but I think it's better to hold cards closer to your chest unless you are asked by multiple people, like I was when Plytho and Bessie asked me to post a reads list.
You also didn't really engage with anyone as if they were scum, other than Gopher. You asked a few questions, but they were mostly asking thoughts on others' reads rather than trying to feel out reads for yourself. What do you look at when you're trying to decide if someone is scum? How were you feeling at the end of Day 1 as far as how the game was going?
I look for intent, but also look for tangible evidence and compare it to my reads (votals, flips, etc.)
Day 2, you posts a reads list
, which was helpful. Even more helpful is a quick description of why you feel that way about each player, but if that's too much to ask I'll settle for more detail on Gopher, BoomFrog, YOLOSWAG, SirGabriel and plytho. Gopher in particular is a must considering you're voting for him, yet every time you mention him all you can say is that you need to reread him again.
I'm trying to understand why more people aren't readily going for him, which is why I suggest that I need to reread (I'm not super confident on anything unless it's modconfirmed).
As an aside, if it turns out I have been misreading Gopher this entire game, I will have to really apologize to him post-game (or if he's confirmed town at some point, etc.)
DGames | Bard wrote:@Laserguy - My King! I'm not really a fan of Sir Yoloswag's play style; I can't say I get his suspicions of me this game because he hasn't really explained them to me. He kinda asserts himself in a way that isn't very transparent with his intentions, i.e. he says my posts are "disgusting," but he doesn't say what is "disgusting" about them. Another example that comes to mind is when he says I should be in the lynch pool, but doesn't really go in depth with the why. I'm not sure how he expects me to trust him in this type of situation. On that note, I wonder how he feels about me going for Gopher as a priority before putting him further on the chopping block.
You talk a lot here about what YOLO thinks of you, but nothing on what you think of him. I get that you were responding to a question, but you seem overly concerned with how you are perceived rather than the inverse. Why is that?
I did post what I thought of him though. I also indicated where he was on my reads list.
I'm a little unsure of myself because this is a new site, and I also don't want to come off as trying to lead in a place where I am entirely new (it just seems to lack etiquette to do this in my opinion).
I'm not sure what you mean by "overly concerned with how you are perceived rather than the inverse," though, or what the implications may be.
DGames | Bard wrote:What do you think is the right path from here? Do you think I am just brutally wrong about GoP and should be voting for someone else/Yolo? I see your vote is on SDK; whom would you vote for in this situation assuming it was ultimately between yolo or GoP, or would you still push for SDK/Bessie?
This is addressed to LaserGuy, so I assume you're talking to a townie here. Did you ask these questions to try to guide yourself to a conclusion with another townie's help? Are there any other townies you would feel comfortable working with?
Yeah, that's why I asked him. He's an interesting guy, my King. Instead of picking a side though, he seems to be playing diplomatically in this regard.
. None the less, I must support him, even if it leads to a potentially bitter end. D:
I feel pretty comfortable with Plytho and Sir Gabriel. I did feel comfortable with Bessie albeit she did end up gunning for Laserguy, which in turn indirectly painted me as potential scum from her point of view, possibly. Doh.