Bard’s a much more active player than the previous three I read and I have a lot less time today to read.
Here are his posts referring to the LaserGuy claim before the full claim.
with first breadcrumb of LaserGuy love
Second breadcrumb post
Claim LaserGuy is townBeen crumbing all day
Relationship is lopsided
All of these are consistent with the lover claim.
Bard started D1 pretty well, he was engaging people and asking questions. On D2 though he doesn’t seem to have done any scumhunting. He called Gopher scummy and voted for him with very limited motivation. I thought Gopher was scummy at that point and that may be a reason I didn’t pay attention to Bard’s lack of motivation. Looking back I guess it was a little frustrating for me that the two people (Bard and SirGabriel) who thought Gopher was scummy weren’t helping me make a case.
He keeps avoiding making proper reads even when prompted by SDK.
In this post he responds to SDK’s question for more detail on a number of players by saying he doesn’t know why others don’t find Gopher scummy. Later on he says he feels comfortable with me and SirGabriel, without any reasoning
DGames | Bard wrote:
Day 2, you posts a reads list
, which was helpful. Even more helpful is a quick description of why you feel that way about each player, but if that's too much to ask I'll settle for more detail on Gopher, BoomFrog, YOLOSWAG, SirGabriel and plytho. Gopher in particular is a must considering you're voting for him, yet every time you mention him all you can say is that you need to reread him again.
I'm trying to understand why more people aren't readily going for him, which is why I suggest that I need to reread (I'm not super confident on anything unless it's modconfirmed).
As an aside, if it turns out I have been misreading Gopher this entire game, I will have to really apologize to him post-game (or if he's confirmed town at some point, etc.)
DGames | Bard wrote:What do you think is the right path from here? Do you think I am just brutally wrong about GoP and should be voting for someone else/Yolo? I see your vote is on SDK; whom would you vote for in this situation assuming it was ultimately between yolo or GoP, or would you still push for SDK/Bessie?
SDK wrote:This is addressed to LaserGuy, so I assume you're talking to a townie here. Did you ask these questions to try to guide yourself to a conclusion with another townie's help? Are there any other townies you would feel comfortable working with?
Yeah, that's why I asked him. He's an interesting guy, my King. Instead of picking a side though, he seems to be playing diplomatically in this regard.
. None the less, I must support him, even if it leads to a potentially bitter end. D:
I feel pretty comfortable with Plytho and Sir Gabriel. I did feel comfortable with Bessie albeit she did end up gunning for Laserguy, which in turn indirectly painted me as potential scum from her point of view, possibly. Doh.
DGames | Bard wrote:Everything makes a lot more sense now, but I strongly believe SDK is independent. If it's true that lyncher generally ends the game on this site, then he needs to get bodied. Not trying to spread FUD but it just seems way too scummy. He had all the incentive and morivation to pretend that he had confirmation of Bessie's alignment in order to get her killed.
As for my claim:
I am a 1-shot bodyguard as well as an unreciprocated lover of Laserguy.
Laserguy is confirmed Town in my PM. There is a drawback to this though. If he is lynched, I will also die with him. I am a lover so to speak but the love is unreciprocated; if I am lynched, he will not die.
If Laserguy is killed during the night, I will not die, but I will lose my ability as a 1-shot bodyguard because I am "distraught" over Laserguy's death and will not be able to vote during the following day phase (seems like there is A LOT of vote manipulating stuff in this game).
Not going to confirm whether or not I have used my ability yet or what that entails to for obvious reasons (wine for night time).
Interesting, Bard thinks SDK might be independent. Perhaps because he is independent himself?
It also doesn’t make all that much sense for SDK to be independent and still in the game. If he’s a lyncher he has fulfilled his wincon and there’s no reason for him to remain in the game. Unless he’s a lyncher/survivor but that seems like a weird combo. So SDK is still in the game because he still has the town wincon. Unless the lyncher claim is false but at this point I can’t imagine why.
A Bard isn’t in love with LaserGuy, he just made that up to protect his buddy.
A1 I think this doesn’t make sense for a two man scum team. It’s way too risky. Especially considering the breadcrumbs. If you don’t make that lovers claim you look scummy so if one of you flips the other one follows soon. If you do make the claim you’re likely to be killed by the other scum team at night.
A2 It might make a little more sense as two out of a four man scum team but it still carries most of those risks.
B Bard is in love with LaserGuy
B1 they are scumbuddies: pretty much the same as A and in the case of a two man scum team, mean modding. Possible in a four man scum team and a save like that makes sense if you both risk dying from the lynch. I’m not sure there’d be breadcrumbing though.
B2 they are both town. On the face of it, still a possibility.
B3 Bard is town and LaserGuy is scum: makes no sense as town!bard supposedly got confirmation of LaserGuy being town and this game isn’t bastard.
B4 Bard is scum and LaserGuy is town: In this case (if the claim from the role pm can be believed, which it can’t since Bard is sum in this hypothetical) scum!Bard should have killed LaserGuy N1 and taken the penalty. If Bard is in love and would die if LaserGuy was nightkilled this scenario would be a balance issue I think.
B5 Bard is scum and LaserGuy is rival scum
This could make sense balance wise and explain why Bard made that claim as scum
B6 Bard being independent has basically the same issues as SDK being independent. What’s his wincon if LaserGuy is nightkilled.
So, probable scenarios:
A2, B2, B5
Less probable to improbable: all the rest.
I forgot who called me a nitpicker but Bard forgot he had LaserGuy confirmed as town here
DGames | Bard wrote:Just about anyone here could be scum except for SirGabriel at this point, at least from my point of view.
Oh, it was Bard who called me nitpicky two posts later
just bugs me.
Bard posts some opinions on players, once again with very little reasoning.
And then there’s this line:
DGames | Bard wrote:My scumdar is shooting rockets all over the place for GoP but no one wants to go for him :<.
That really annoys me because I was clearly willing to go for Gopher yesterday but I didn’t get any support. I expected other people voting for Gopher (Bard and SirGabriel) to help me build a case by supporting my reasoning and providing more reasoning against Gopher. That didn’t happen so I concluded that town wasn’t convinced by my argument and I was probably mistaken. So I dropped my case and started looking elsewhere for scum. If Bard had helped me build a case by providing reasoning why Gopher continues to looks scummy to him there’d be support today. Instead he’s complaining why nobody is thinking what he’s thinking without explaining why. I know he said he likes to keep his cards close to his chest but by not sharing anything he's not helping. I feel if Bard is townie he isn’t working hard enough to help town.
So my general feeling is Bard's not town. I don't really see the connections besides LaserGuy so I'm not sure which team he could be on.
Huh, ctrl-effing Madge turns up exactly 1 result in all of Bard's posts (in his reads list). He questions dimochka on his vote early D1 but other than that no mention of him. I'm not sure if this could indicate anything. I'm trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle. Is there a possibility that Madge, Bard and LaserGuy are all scum? I'm feeling more confident in my scum read of Madge than in my scum read of Bard but either is fine for the lynch today. I really do believe Madge may be the last guild scum and lynching her would remove a night kill. But I think we might learn more from Bard's flip.