Some brief reads, written on N1. I don’t like putting too much work into a game over the night phases so that I won’t be too disappointed if I die.
I have like nothing interesting.
I think it was clear wam didn’t have the town win condition, his flip may tell me more about jimbob. Is jimbob trying to steer discussion away from the role pm because he is scum?jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I'd be VERY surprised if scum don't have the town win condition. I actually explicitly asked about it, and even suggested that they should be given it for balance reasons, which I can explain in more detail later.
Re this post, from jimbob’s read of me (under spoiler):
Interesting he noted this and not my “proper mafia” question.jimbobmacdoodle wrote:Wants to know SDK's opinion on pro-town indie.
From jimbob’s read of Mark in the same post:
Interesting how jimbob speculates that there is an independent faction without access to the town wincon, while still stubbornly sure that the mafia team does have the town wincon.jimbobmacdoodle wrote: An indie without access to the town win condition is certainly also plausible, due to his comments surrounding the revealing of the win condition.
[Is this OMGjimbobSucks because I’m indignant that perhaps town!jimbob beat me at setup spec? ]
From wam read here:
Interesting, since some of us suspected that he did not know the town win condition for the first couple pages of the game.wam wrote:I'm not seeing what people find suspicious about wam. It's clear to me from his setup spec that he knows the town win-condition, and there are hints in what he said before that on the same lines.
Many of his thoughts in this game align with mine.
Really hard to tell if this is scum without access to the town wincon, or newbie that doesn’t understand his role pm. I want to give him some breathing space because well I have misread and/or misunderstood my role pm so many times in the past (Dr Who, Once Upon a Mafia, WoT2, etc).Liri wrote: Regarding plytho's yet-to-be-shared post, they (he?) called something the "elephant in the room" but no one except jimbob has remarked upon it (I may have missed an oblique reference). jimbob called it "a list of what has been spilled about the setup/by Town."
[Pause to write angry letter to toothpaste company for changing their design]
Is what plytho's referring to something slipped by Town? plytho's statement reads as very un-Town, to me.
Mark_Cangila wrote:On the Sabrar point, they don't absolve him because he doesn't answer the question. He didn't update or answer what he did wrong. I also agree it seems odd. He should at least bluff something. It does look like he's trying to get lynched.
Is this a scum mindset, knows Sabrar is non-town and would need to bluff? Also sheeping freezeblade’s immediately preceding post, which accuses Sabrar of trying to get votes. This is inconclusive though because he is a newer player (I don’t think that a more inexperienced player, or someone more familiar with Sabrar, would think this).
Too aggressive with his questioning on the first two pages not to have access to the town win condition, or he’s just amazingly perceptive (or maybe both). So likely not aligned with Mercora, wam’s flip might tell me more. His eagerness to quick lynch makes me think he’s not in Illaman, or if he is, he knows his teammates. Gut feeling, Maven is proactive, not afraid of driving content, putting stuff out there. Would expect scum to be more reactive, especially as he is newer to this forum so doesn’t need to worry about us meta reading him.
I think this is a sensible observation from a townie point of view. I don’t believe that Mercora/Illaman/indies have no other powers than a same race cop. I think it sensible to believe they might get something if they find each other (chat? kill? extra vote?), and they might not even know it (but not being novices, Sabrar and SDK should suspect it). And I don’t think Maven would ask this if he were Mercora/Illaman.Maven89 wrote:SDK, however, made me re-read my role PM and double check. It's possible he's just blowing smoke up our assess, but it's also possible we shouldn't kill him. I really, really want to know what happens if he finds another of his species
Could be Mercora wanting to revel himself to Sabrar, but I think he is telling the truth, could also be wants to ensure Sabrar does not find a third Mercora, or doesn’t trust Sabrar and wants to make sure we dictate Sabrar’s night action.Maven89 wrote: So, I'd really prefer it is Sabrar cops me tonight. he doesn't know who I am, there's some suspicion that I might be a Mercora, so Sabrar would have to gamble. We'll probably have SDK's results, unless he dies, either to frame Sabrar or save him.
I find this believable. I didn’t remember the names of the two factions when SDK named them; I had to check my role pm. Moving mpolo to town from something else in this same post.mpolo wrote: @bessie: No way to prove it, but I seriously saw two faction names in SDKs claim and assumed that they were the same two faction names I had. I did not imagine 3 alien factions as even a possibility in so small a game.
Perhaps this is true. I’m sure that if you would have asked the mod about this. But what makes you think he would confirm it to us?Sabrar wrote: We definitely won't gain any new abilities or chat if we Cop each-other, that can be confirmed by mod if you really want it.
So is mine, at times. Not in itself a scum tell.Sabrar wrote:Yes, I still think Maven is scum (Garatron to be precise). He focuses on the wrong things and his logic is bad.
Note: try to find an example of town!Sabrar with bad logic.
Reconsidered what I said in this post. I suspected SDK was making errors because he wasn’t interested in sorting because he was mafia (don’t care, kill them all). Now I think it does make more sense as indie (don’t care, can win with either).
Thinking about him still.
Ok, hammer. Nice. What were you afraid of wam? Is someone on the right track? Who are you trying to protect? I think the mafia faction has to be at least 3, to be large enough not to suspect the presense of two other non-town actions. Feeling is wam didn’t know about the other two factions, so if he’s Garatron there’s probably 3.
Ninja'd by lots. Reading D2 content now, I am going to work soon.