Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (N5)

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:46 am UTC

Alright, fine, I was also trying to convince you I'm town by arguing with Sabrar that I'm scum and letting him defend me. :mrgreen:

I meant N2 obviously.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby bessie » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:15 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote: I'm not "letting" myself be lynched, but if Bessie weren't convinced I'm town then I'm going to be lynched, so there wasn't much else to say.
I’m not convinced you’re town. I’m convinced LaserGuy is town, and I will probably vote with him because right or wrong, the game is at the point where town needs to vote together.

I still think BoomFrog may be mafia supporter, and mafia didn’t know who it was, but that there was a third, as I said here. Madge’s D4 content is odd, even for her, especially this post. I’m trying to do a quick reread of Madge but her whole D1 was so odd I can’t separate what’s important from the SDK roleplaying.

I will have very little time tomorrow morning. If anyone wants to discuss anything with me, you have about three hours to do so. And in case anyone missed it when Vicarin revealed my role, I’m only macho if I use my power. So mpolo if you were thinking of jailing me for whatever reason, let me know. I may as well be protected if I’m going to be blocked anyway.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:53 am UTC

I think bessie is trying the hardest to figure out the game, I cannot see her as scum. Which is weird and might mean there is no cult (or they are limited in recruiting and already reached their max numbers). Scum is most likely BoomFrog or Madge as explained previously. I cannot get a read on mpolo, he has too few content/opinion but unfortunately that's normal for him. LaserGuy is complicated but bessie has a Cop-result on him, so he's probably good. Mark needs to post more.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:43 am UTC

I think lynching BoomFrog and jailing Madge is (y)our best bet.

Vote: BoomFrog

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Madge » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:53 am UTC

bessie wrote:
Madge wrote:I'm wary voting boomfrog out of fear.
Why? Do you have a reason, other than the possibility of a mislynch?


Voting off a town doctor is a terrible mistake to make, so based on the power alone I'm extra wary.

The mechanics of my power seem pretty standard. Each night I get an ability from one random person who targeted me that night. Absorption be roleblocked, but powers I use can be.

I'm not cult leader, but I don't know how I can possibly defend myself out of that.

vote: mark

gaol me tonight, since i've just roleblocked myself anyway it's a doctor as far as i'm concerned

people have given me crap for defensive voting in the past but i'll change over to a defensive vote before bed if i remember to log on / if the votes don't move away from me
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D3)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:10 pm UTC

Votals:

Madge (2): LaserGuy, bessie
BoomFrog (1): Sabrar
Mark_Cangila (1): Madge

Not Voting: Mark_Cangila, mpolo, BoomFrog

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is 21:00 UTC, Wednesday, 22nd August, a little under 8 hours from now. Deadline timer.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:29 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I think lynching BoomFrog and jailing Madge is (y)our best bet.

Vote: BoomFrog

Wait, I thought you really didn't think I'm scum. What gives?
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:34 pm UTC

I said you were unlikely to be CL. You're still the most likely candidate for the 3rd scum if wam and Vic were on the same side.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby bessie » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:13 pm UTC

Madge wrote:The mechanics of my power seem pretty standard. Each night I get an ability from one random person who targeted me that night. Absorption be roleblocked, but powers I use can be.
So you received BoomFrog’s mediator power N1. How do you know that you were not also targeted by a cop N1?

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:33 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I said you were unlikely to be CL. You're still the most likely candidate for the 3rd scum if wam and Vic were on the same side.

That's bullshit. Wam and Vic had scummy powers. There's no way the third Mafia had literal Dr. Powers. And there's no way madge's lying if I'm Mafia.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:36 pm UTC

Also Betsy has a super match.

Also, Bessie has a super good point and we should probably lynch Madge. But grrrr.....
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby mpolo » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:39 pm UTC

I guess I'm going with scummy power.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:46 pm UTC

Unvote

I believe laser guy and Bessie are town which means there can't be a cult because I would have been speed lynched. So the most likely case is there's some lonely scum out there with no kill or recruits trying to achieve some weird goal. We're not at LYLO, and town will win by following Bessie.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:50 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:That's bullshit. Wam and Vic had scummy powers. There's no way the third Mafia had literal Dr. Powers.
This one I don't agree with, Vicarin's no-faction reveal is already pretty bastard if this is the case, so I see no problem with jimbob screwing with us in other ways.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D3)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:52 pm UTC

Votals:

Madge (3): LaserGuy, bessie, mpolo
BoomFrog (1): Sabrar
Mark_Cangila (1): Madge

Not Voting: Mark_Cangila, BoomFrog

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is 21:00 UTC, Wednesday, 22nd August, a little over 5 hours from now. Deadline timer.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:25 pm UTC

I don't like LaserGuy's sudden shift from 'BoomFrog must be third scum' to 'Madge must be CL'. He clearly built up a nice case for both of these scenarios in his mind and at least one of them is wrong. However unless this was prepared from back in D3 it would more likely indicate town!LaserGuy.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:53 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:I believe laser guy and Bessie are town which means there can't be a cult because I would have been speed lynched.
This is false logic. bessie never voted you.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:24 pm UTC

That's true. There could be 2 cultists or even 3 if they are timid and/or don't have day chat. But since bessie is town, it just feels like if there is a cult they have very restricted recruiting or have a GF leader. Some weird role with no kill but an anti-town role is seeming a lot more plausible.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:25 pm UTC

Those 2 or 3 includes you though. If there were 3 cultists plus you then the game would have ended by now.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:38 pm UTC

Yes, I've already said so here.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D3)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:30 pm UTC

Votals:

Madge (3): LaserGuy, bessie, mpolo
BoomFrog (1): Sabrar
Mark_Cangila (1): Madge

Not Voting: Mark_Cangila, BoomFrog

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is 21:00 UTC, Wednesday, 22nd August, in approximately half an hour. Deadline timer.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:22 pm UTC

That's deadline! Day has now ended, and flavour will be posted shortly. Night starts now, and will last until 7pm UTC, Friday 24th August.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D4)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:31 pm UTC

Night 4 - Elayne’s Gift

With fewer members left attending the council meeting, the discussion was getting more focused, as attention turned to the nature of the fate the group still faced. The fact that there was still strife amongst them, suggested that one or more were still not working towards the common goal.

Elayne watched as the debate continued between the different women in the room. A lot of the attention had been focused on who, if anybody, was trying to recruit others to their cause against Egwene. It sounded sinister. Could it be true? The group seemed to have selected someone who seemed most likely to be leader, even though the woman in question understandably disagreed and suggested that the quietest member of the group should account for themselves.

There were several mutters of dissent from amongst a number of the group in the end, but something had to be done. Quietly, Elayne got up, and escorted the one whom seemed to be doubted outside.

“Thank you for your efforts,” she said, “but it’s clear to me that the rest of the council do not trust you and without you leaving, they will lose their focus and not actually solve the challenge faced.”

She slipped a small jewel out of her pocket and passed it to the woman. “Take this as a thank you for your efforts. It would be best if you stayed away from now on.”

As the other woman departed, the Green Sister stood watching on. It would take a few hours, but the new ter’angreal she’d carved would hopefully help indicate the true loyalties of the woman who was walking away. It was likely imperfect, but maybe it might help.


Madge has left the council and is “dead”.

Day End Votals:

Madge (3): LaserGuy, bessie, mpolo
BoomFrog (1): Sabrar
Mark_Cangila (1): Madge

Not Voting: Mark_Cangila, BoomFrog

It is now Night. Please send in your night actions. Night deadline is 7pm UTC, Friday the 24th of August.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (N4)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:13 am UTC

There's a not unreasonable chance that I'll be delayed by a couple of hours with sorting out night tonight. Sorry to those who are eagerly anticipating D5...

As a result, I will extend deadline for night action submission until I am ready (i.e. the night deadline is a soft deadline...).
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (N4)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:58 pm UTC

Day 5: The Unusual Novice
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Sharina lay on her bed, staring at the ceiling. She had hoped to make a good impression on the Sisters, with the responsibility she’d been given, yet they hadn’t trusted her, despite her best efforts to persuade them that she could be of use. She’d learnt a little from the experience, and it only made her hungrier for more, but even she, stubborn as she was, could recognise that it wasn’t a wise plan to return when she’d been so thoroughly dismissed by the other women.

She could just about make out the dawn light through the trees, and she would no doubt be expected to return to her routine chores for the day, now that she wasn’t involved in the Amyrlin’s special business. She could probably get away with a few minutes to wash and tidy herself up. It was likely that the Sister who had sent her away the night before hadn’t told the Mistress of the Novices that she was ready to restart her usual routine just yet.

The thought of the future Queen of Andor reminded the novice of the item she had loaned. Her skills with the One Power were still very limited, but she reached out as she had been taught, with a thread of Spirit and reached out for the jewel that was sat on her stool, atop her dirty clothing. Something told her that this was no ordinary jewel. As the thread touched the jewel, she felt the jewel suddenly grow warm, despite it being a foot away from her. It wasn’t a radiant heat directly coming from the stone, rather almost as if it was directly sending warmth into her. She felt it course through her body, until she stopped the weave. The heat quickly disappeared.

How curious she thought. Perhaps Elayne would be willing to explain or help her understand what had happened. She’d heard of ter’angreal of course, and maybe this one was something. But she thought it unlikely that a Sister would give her such a gift intentionally.
After getting dressed quickly, she went to find the other woman. She found her, eating a small bread roll in the building that served as a dining area. Standing before her, she coughed slightly to get her attention.

“Yes, Child, what can I do for you?” the Sister said.

“Aes Sedai, you gave me this gemstone last night, and I thank you for it, but I felt I should share something with you,” the novice said, holding out the carved jewel. “I couldn’t help but notice that when I touched it with a thread of saidar, something strange happened. I was hoping, if I may, to know what might have happened. It was a very strange sensation.”

“I should scold you for practising unattended, Sharina,” Elayne replied, a small smile coming to her face, “but I was fully expecting you to try. It is nothing to worry about. You have a ter’angreal that I have attempted to fashion that helps show loyalty. The fact that you felt warmth shows that your intentions are pure. Unfortunately, proving this to the other Sisters will be a little more complex, so what I said last night still applies. Go. I’m sure you have chores to get on with.”

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Following the departure of the elderly novice, Elayne made her way back to the council room. The day’s business would start soon, and it was wise for her to be there from the beginning to keep an eye on things.


Madge was lynched.

Role PM:
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You are Sharina Malloy, Novice of the White Tower in Exile. You are a fast learner of all things to do with the One Power. Each night, you will gain the ability of one random person who targeted you that night, including if you are targeted pre-game. You may use that power from then on, but you may never use more than one power each night. Note: Not all powers can be gained in this way.

Primary Win Condition: You are a member of Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated, and at least one Town aligned player remains alive.

Secondary Win Condition: Leader: You win if you are the first person listed as having voted for the lynchee on at least two separate Days. Note that players will be listed as voting in order to the length of time they have been continuously voting for (i.e. if somebody unvotes and later revotes, they will move to the back of the queue).
It is now Day 5. Deadline will be Wednesday evening next week. Exact time TBC, but likely similar to this week's.

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Not voting: Everybody

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby mpolo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:08 pm UTC

My jailing action seems to have been effective. Is keep it secret, except that we know it is loud. I jailed Mark.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby mpolo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:09 pm UTC

s/Is/I'd/
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:25 pm UTC

:?
Well, I guess that rules out cult then. Or we'll know very soon if not.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:33 pm UTC

I kind of want to lynch Sabrar and see what comes of it, but I am at a loss as to what scum wincon we're looking at here.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:58 pm UTC

I was given a ter’angreal last night, nothing else to report.

I'm basically mechanically confirmed not having an ability, lol. This is Alien Warfare all over again...

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:27 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I'm basically mechanically confirmed not having an ability, lol. This is Alien Warfare all over again...


Can you explain?

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:30 pm UTC

@jimbob: Is a draw a possible outcome?

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:38 pm UTC

....

Who had the power to target pregame?

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:42 pm UTC

@Sabrar, what is the flavor around the ter'angrael? What does it say about it?

@BoomFrog, why did you pass the ter'angrael to Sabrar?

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:43 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:@jimbob: Is a draw a possible outcome?
Town can only win when all threats to town have been eliminated. Anything else will result in town losing.
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby bessie » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:08 am UTC

I have a totally unexpected town result on BoomFrog.

Sabrar wrote:I'm basically mechanically confirmed not having an ability, lol.
How are you confirmed? Just because no one has witnessed you use a night action doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

LaserGuy wrote: Who had the power to target pregame?
moody with the ter’angreal?
Mafia looking for their recruit/traitor/whatever?

I had on D2 considered a two member mafia with a N0 rolecop, which I alluded to here. It fit with my setup spec, and the role Vicarin claimed on D1 was so close to mine, I thought he was either using prideful to allude to the macho aspect of my role (I actually have a different adjective to describe why I’m macho), and lying about his secondary win con, or he didn’t get the entire role.

More in a bit after I think about it.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby Sabrar » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:05 am UTC

The main proof is N3, where if I have any sort of kill/recruit/rb then bessie would have never got a cop-result on me. Or if it's a poison then somebody would have died N4. No-one claims to have blocked me N1 either and there has been no unexplained result from that either. I don't know about N4, I suspect BoomFrog might have decided to block me but there was no indication for it in the flavor received. Other than that I can mainly offer wine but people familiar with my meta should be able to see the truth in it: scum!me (who is importantly not GF) never starts the game with this post.

LaserGuy wrote:@Sabrar, what is the flavor around the ter'angrael? What does it say about it?
I heard movement outside my room, I went to investigate but I only found a container which had a figure like this in it, together with a note talking about research and how I shouldn't use the item but pass it on the next night.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby mpolo » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:42 am UTC

Could we have an anti-town survivor? I.e. only wants to survive, has no kill, but town loses if he/she survives?
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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:11 am UTC

Here's a couple ideas that I've been thinking about:
1) Vic/wam team has a traitor/recruit that did not inherit the kill.
2) There is a second scum faction that has a kill, but cannot use it until one of their members has been lynched/killed (WoT2 model).
3) There's a second scum faction that doesn't have a kill at all and just has to win by parity.
4) There's an SK that has been hardcore trolling us since the start of the game. Only way I can see this working is if they are GF.

Unfortunately, I can't really get around the fact that the only correct play here is to lynch Sabrar. If we're in scenarios 2/3, then either Sabrar is one of them, or mislynching will give them the advantage. Survivor, if that's what he is, is dangerously swingy for us without knowing what else is out there.

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Re: Wheel of Time 3 - A Divided Sisterhood (D5)

Postby Sabrar » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:17 am UTC

And what do you suppose are the abilities of this hypothetical second scum-faction that makes up for the lack of kill and gives them the same chance for success as the Vicarin/wam team? This is unreasonable.


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