The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 007 End & Epilogue)

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby moody7277 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:28 pm UTC

bessie wrote:
moody7277 wrote:Well, I tried following Sabrar's point last night, but apparently I suck at espionage because I still have nothing to report.

I don’t understand this comment.


Sabrar pointed out here from the OP that the only way we're going to know for sure if someone is scum is if we find some dirt on them. That is also a reason why Sabrar's "vote everybody" plan would work, those who are left out can snoop in peace and report back the next day.

Interesting. Why do you think scum is confused? Of whom in particular were you thinking?


Well, my top two suspects are still wam and Mark, but that's left over from (the OG) D1 when everyone was still acting like this was a mostly regular game of mafia and reactions could be read in a standard manner. I imagine that if scum tried to NK and had as much luck in their night actions as town has had, that would be a source for confusion.

As for being quiet, yesterday was one of the three that I am really busy.
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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.


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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:18 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:What happens if A tracks B, B tracks A and both of them are successful? At which location do they end up? If C tracks either A or B will s/he be there as well?

Assuming they are all spending the same on pursuit/evasion so nobody 'wins' outright, players involved in a cycle will eventually give up and head to their fallback destinations separately. Those outside the cycle are not affected.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:56 pm UTC

I tried to track Sabrar to see what he did but failed. I then went to sabrar's house to try to investigate and maybe take a gadget (taking a gadget is fine because it gives clues). I got an alarm though.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:04 pm UTC

Was this N1 or N2?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:47 pm UTC

N1. N2 I was in jail.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby freezeblade » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:56 pm UTC

What is the Solex Agitator anyway?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:29 pm UTC

Ok, we need to start making plans. Do we want to mass-jail people? Do we want to kill them? I now think that game will only move forward if we start shooting.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:03 pm UTC

I think shooting will be hard if people choose to leave their houses or use ap.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:37 pm UTC

So what do you think we should do? I'm open to ideas.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:03 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Ok, we need to start making plans. Do we want to mass-jail people? Do we want to kill them? I now think that game will only move forward if we start shooting.

I'm still not in favor of mass-jail. All that does is filter out the jail-survivors from the others.
Shooting seems to be the way to go.

is it allowed to go somewhere and spend all remaining ap on evasion?

Has anyone gotten the option to shoot a visitor to their place?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby somitomi » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 pm UTC

bessie wrote:It appears freezeblade and somitomi are puzzled as to how wam and Mark survived the lynch, however these are very odd comments considering both of them also claim to have some lynch immunity.

I was trying to express a little annoyance rather than surprise although I can see that's not clear.

bessie wrote:Since when? D1, D2, or just now? When did you start thinking that we have multiple vigilantes? And you can’t think of any plan at all? Like say, even players target wam, odd players target Mark? This whole statement is very suspicious, like you want to appear like you’re trying to figure out the game, but you aren’t really trying very hard.

Just now (i.e. D3) and sorry if my planning skills were not up to your standards after 10 hours of lectures. I don't think the plan you propose is all that great though, for instance what if we have only two people with vig shots and both happen to be even numbered?
To be honest I'm pretty beat today as well.
plytho wrote:I'm still not in favor of mass-jail. All that does is filter out the jail-survivors from the others.
Shooting seems to be the way to go.

is it allowed to go somewhere and spend all remaining ap on evasion?

Has anyone gotten the option to shoot a visitor to their place?

How many people do you reckon have a gun?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:12 pm UTC

plytho wrote:is it allowed to go somewhere and spend all remaining ap on evasion?

You may spend as many points as you have although it is no guarantee of success.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:35 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:How many people do you reckon have a gun?
I have no idea. Somewhere between some and most maybe. Based on the support for the let's shoot scum instead of arresting them and the ineffectiveness of arrest.
somitomi wrote:for instance what if we have only two people with vig shots and both happen to be even numbered?
That's still better than people claiming vig isn't it?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby freezeblade » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:50 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:How many people do you reckon have a gun?


I'm willing to bet somewhere around half.

I don't think these are full vigs, but reduced in scope, such as a limited number of bullets, or only on certain nights, or they are loud (it's known when they are shot off, and where. Silencers a possibility)
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby moody7277 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:49 pm UTC

The options being discussed appear to me to be either shootout party at Sabrar's place (or somewhere), or try what we started to do D2 and hope for better dice rolls in our night actions. Am I understanding this properly?
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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.


BoomFrog wrote:I still have no idea what town moody really looks like.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby bessie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:00 am UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote:I tried to track Sabrar to see what he did but failed. I then went to sabrar's house to try to investigate and maybe take a gadget (taking a gadget is fine because it gives clues). I got an alarm though.
Why did you feel the need to try to justify this? Someone stole my dog's toy and didn't even apologize, let alone try to justify it.

freezeblade wrote:What is the Solex Agitator anyway?
Something that is being sought after by Hai Fat, Francisco Scaramanga, Nick Nack. . . you know, all the bad guys.

Interesting no one else even acknowledged my post. Well, I expected scum to be quiet, because they’re looking for it. That reminds me . . .
wam wrote:3. Yes I went to Bessie N1. Yes I stole some pressure plates. No I won't say why.
So wam, why won’t you say why you stole my security system?

somitomi wrote:
bessie wrote:It appears freezeblade and somitomi are puzzled as to how wam and Mark survived the lynch, however these are very odd comments considering both of them also claim to have some lynch immunity.

I was trying to express a little annoyance rather than surprise although I can see that's not clear.
And. . . this is the second time I’ve expressed suspicion over something you’ve said and you brushed it off as a misunderstanding by me. FoS.

somitomi wrote: Just now (i.e. D3) and sorry if my planning skills were not up to your standards after 10 hours of lectures. I don't think the plan you propose is all that great though, for instance what if we have only two people with vig shots and both happen to be even numbered?
You’re totally right. Everyone with a vig shot should probably just claim.

Not really. That was sarcasm.

Oh oh oh, did somitomi just rolefish at the end of that post?


Vote: somitomi


I was thinking party at Sabrar’s. But now I’m wondering why somitomi is subtly trying to move away from even/odd shooting at Mark and wam.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:15 am UTC

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 am UTC

I think we just have enough time to try out mass jail once more. Jail 4 people, the other 4 visits their safehouse one-by-one and look for clues.
If this still doesn't work then we can start shooting tomorrow.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby wam » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:37 am UTC

Most activity in this game seems to be when I'm asleep!

I don't think that works sabrar. I think the shoot everyone tactic is the way forward.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:05 am UTC

The issue is (as has been noted) that scum can just spend all of their ap on evading people and then we need to get lucky to end up at the same location as them. I really don't see how game is supposed to progress if jailing people is not a permanent solution.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby wam » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 am UTC

Can people be killed in jail?

As that's maybe the answer to both problems!
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:47 am UTC

wam wrote:I don't think that works sabrar. I think the shoot everyone tactic is the way forward.
What is the shoot everyone tactic?
bessie wrote:Vote: somitomi
Is this part of a jail everyone plan or are you expressing a very strong FoS?
Sabrar wrote:Jail 4 people
wam and mark are a given, who are the other two?

I think I still prefer the even-odd plan. Forcing players to spend all their ap on evasion is similar to arresting them (assuming arrest=roleblock) and if they don't or we use the right gadgets we can still get them.
Jail everyone (4) makes sense as a test to see if arrest can be permanent immediately (for the 2 new arrestees) or after multiple arrests (wam, mark).

If we go for 4 I'd add Sabrar as 3, not sure about 4 but I'm fine with somi.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:02 am UTC

I'm leaving on a trip this afternoon, so will have reduced activity.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:15 am UTC

plytho wrote:What is the shoot everyone tactic?
Every player goes to the same pre-arranged location and shoots someone who they think is scum. Anyone not showing up is perma-jailed, shot on sight later.

I'm fine with being jailed as long as moody visits my safe-house and makes sure none of Mark's buddies try to get in.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby moody7277 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:25 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I'm fine with being jailed as long as moody visits my safe-house and makes sure none of Mark's buddies try to get in.


You leave a midnight snack for me, I'll be there.
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Tigerlion wrote:Well, I imagine as the game progresses, various people will be getting moody.


BoomFrog wrote:I still have no idea what town moody really looks like.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:58 pm UTC

Deal, you can rob my fridge and liquor cabinet.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:27 pm UTC

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  • Wam <--(2)
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    • Sabrar
  • Somitomi <--(1)
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wam wrote:Can people be killed in jail?
The police station is guarded by the officers, so direct kills will not be possible there.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:09 pm UTC

If we want to do mass-jail we should probably stop at 5 votes to save time.
Mass-killing should be done at bessie's place because her security is already compromised.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:27 pm UTC

~= BREAKING NEWS =~
A tourist was found dead in the south end of Bangkok this afternoon after officers were called to investigate reports of a disturbance by neighbours and unnamed concerned parties. Police are are refusing to speculate further, but our inside sources indicate that 'Somitomi' was killed by a single golden bullet at close range.
We at channel 5 would like to remind our viewers that direct bribes are both cheaper and safer than contracting the Man with the Golden Gun.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:35 pm UTC

Mafia can kill during the day now?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:41 pm UTC

Why are you so sure that it was a Mafia-kill?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby wam » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:45 pm UTC

Golden gun was a baddie weapon but yeah it's odd to jump to that conclusion.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:37 pm UTC

It was because GG is the baddie weapon.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:47 pm UTC

Would have been nice if wam didn't give the answer already...

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:07 pm UTC

SuicideJunkie wrote:~= BREAKING NEWS =~
A tourist was found dead in the south end of Bangkok this afternoon after officers were called to investigate reports of a disturbance by neighbours and unnamed concerned parties. Police are are refusing to speculate further, but our inside sources indicate that 'Somitomi' was killed by a single golden bullet at close range.
We at channel 5 would like to remind our viewers that direct bribes are both cheaper and safer than contracting the Man with the Golden Gun.

Are we getting any bold confirmation here?

Mark looking very suspicious there.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:16 pm UTC

Unless game is way more bastard than I already believe it to be I think it is safe to assume that somitomi is dead. But it doesn't hurt to ask.

Is somitomi dead?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:47 pm UTC

Why was there no Mafia-kill D2 if this is the mechanic? D1 I understand.
Could be that this can be only activated in last 24 hours of the day and D2 both scum were jailed by then? But then game should have ended right there. Could someone check the timeline?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:42 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:Is somitomi dead?

Yes, Somitomi is dead and out of the game.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby bessie » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:52 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:Mass-killing should be done at bessie's place because her security is already compromised.
How will moody visit protect your house if everyone is supposed to be at mine?

And. . . why my house? Do others not have the ability to turn off their security systems? Did you think to ask? Did you care to ask? Or are you looking for a “legitimate” reason to be at my house tonight so you can. . . steal something?

Sabrar, why did you never ask me for my setup spec?

Re the golden gun, Andrea Anders also had access to the golden bullets, and sent one to MI6 in the movie.

Sabrar wrote:Why was there no Mafia-kill D2 if this is the mechanic? D1 I understand.
Could be that this can be only activated in last 24 hours of the day and D2 both scum were jailed by then? But then game should have ended right there. Could someone check the timeline?
Someone also has access to poison, so perhaps each mafia/indie has a different method of killing. The golden gun is Scaramanga’s weapon. Perhaps the poison is Nick Nack’s.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby Sabrar » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:55 am UTC

bessie wrote:How will moody visit protect your house if everyone is supposed to be at mine?
In case of mass-killing anyone not showing up is scum so protecting my house is not necessary.

bessie wrote:And. . . why my house?
Purely to annoy you.

bessie wrote:Sabrar, why did you never ask me for my setup spec?
Because the mod is an unknown quantity and we're used to more traditional roles. I doubt that your guess would be as effective as usual.


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