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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:18 pm UTC

I'm sorry. I was super busy yesterday. This is the post I can get out today. The idea of arresting 4 is good except A. We are arresting scummy players first, which defeats the point, since the ploy could only possibly tell us that the 2 unarrested are scum. And B. We have no evidence there is a night kill.

Also, does anyone know of anyone with a cellphone bomb in the actual movie? The ringing phone seems like either a power or a gadget.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby moody7277 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:23 pm UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote:The idea of arresting 4 is good except A. We are arresting scummy players first, which defeats the point, since the ploy could only possibly tell us that the 2 unarrested are scum.


We're arresting scummy people so that we can check out their safehouses without interference.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:27 pm UTC

Votals:

  • Mark <--(2)
    • Moody7277
    • Sabrar
    • Freezeblade
    • Plytho
  • Freezeblade <-- (1)
    • Sabrar
  • Wam <-- (1)
    • Moody7277
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:27 am UTC

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:23 am UTC

Before we arrest wam, perhaps we should figure out who to arrest next?

Mark already (supposedly) used his last post, so he can't vote anymore.

I'm fine with arresting wam, but I'm not sure who should be next.

I think I prefer Sabrar over freezeblade, since his single-minded pushing for this plan feels pretty suspicious.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:32 am UTC

I told you this was the way to go since early D1. Why is this news to you that I'm pushing the plan? What do you suggest instead?
Me and wam can't be both scum since we just shot eachother (while others did nothing). It makes no sense jailing both of us.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:45 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:I told you this was the way to go since early D1. Why is this news to you that I'm pushing the plan? What do you suggest instead?
Me and wam can't be both scum since we just shot eachother (while others did nothing). It makes no sense jailing both of us.
It's not news to me, I know you've been pushing this all along. That's what's suspicious. Despite our changing knowledge about the nature of the game, you've only had one goal: mass arrest. That gives me the feeling that by doing so we're putting you in precisely the position you want to be in and I don't like that.

You and wam are both suspicious. Why wouldn't we block both of you?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:45 am UTC

plytho wrote:It turns out I had even less ap than I thought.
Also how did this happen? In the pm-s I receive from the mod it is always indicated how many ap-s I have left, at the beginning of each phase?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:51 am UTC

plytho wrote:Despite our changing knowledge about the nature of the game, you've only had one goal: mass arrest.
This is so not true. I was also the one suggesting mass-shooting when it looked like jailing people accomplishes nothing.

Please tell me what you propose to move this game along? What is your plan to deal with scum permanently?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:02 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:It turns out I had even less ap than I thought.
Also how did this happen? In the pm-s I receive from the mod it is always indicated how many ap-s I have left, at the beginning of each phase?
My max ap changed and I mistakenly thought my current ap changed with it.

Sabrar wrote:Please tell me what you propose to move this game along? What is your plan to deal with scum permanently?
I like the current mass-jail plan. I just want you to be one of the people that are jailed.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:20 am UTC

plytho wrote:I like the current mass-jail plan. I just want you to be one of the people that are jailed.
As mentioned before I'm fine with it as long as moody goes to my safe-house. But what is your plan for the end-game? How will we permanently eliminate scum?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:41 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:Despite our changing knowledge about the nature of the game, you've only had one goal: mass arrest.
This is so not true. I was also the one suggesting mass-shooting when it looked like jailing people accomplishes nothing.

BTW no reaction to this? Since your main argument for finding me suspicious is based on a falsehood, it might be time to re-evaluate...

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:49 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:How will we permanently eliminate scum?
There are a couple of possibilities:
-arrest immunities are one-shots and we do get some permanent arrests tonight.
-we shoot scum.
-we find the tools to eliminate scum in their hideouts.

A combination of these should work.

Why do you want moody to visit?

Does anyone know who went to bessie's N2? Most likely the bomb was planted then.

@wam: why did you take the pressure plate. Also why are you avoiding this question? Were you hoping to get arrested before you had to answer?

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Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:Despite our changing knowledge about the nature of the game, you've only had one goal: mass arrest.
This is so not true. I was also the one suggesting mass-shooting when it looked like jailing people accomplishes nothing.

BTW no reaction to this? Since your main argument for finding me suspicious is based on a falsehood, it might be time to re-evaluate...
Just because suspended your mass-arrest push doesn't mean it hasn't been a major goal for you. You were always more in favor of mass-arrest. We moved to mass-shooting because nobody else was trying to arrest people.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 003)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:51 am UTC

wam wrote:@Bessie I promise I will say tomorrow.

Did you think only bessie would push for this?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:04 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:I know I have an ability that, were I to be arrested, I would be back out the next day.

plytho wrote:It's odd that you are aware of it while Wam claims he wasn't and Mark seemed to imply the same.

freezeblade wrote:I also have this mechanic.

As should be pretty obvious by now, I also have an unlimited and unconditional number of get-out-of-jail-for-free cards. Originally I thought I was a special snowflake, but it really appears that everyone has this.

plytho wrote:-arrest immunities are one-shots and we do get some permanent arrests tonight.
-we shoot scum.
-we find the tools to eliminate scum in their hideouts.

A combination of these should work.
- no, it should be obvious for you by now that immunities are not 1-shot
- somitomi was Vig and got killed, bessie was Vig and got killed, I just wasted my shot (yes for some reason I only had a single bullet). But if you have a shot you should also be aware of this. Tell me how many opportuinities we have left?
- seriously? why would you think this would be the case?

plytho wrote:Why do you want moody to visit?
Because he's the one I trust the most.

I propose to jail plytho after wam. Will be fun.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:59 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:-arrest immunities are one-shots and we do get some permanent arrests tonight.
-we shoot scum.
-we find the tools to eliminate scum in their hideouts.

A combination of these should work.
- no, it should be obvious for you by now that immunities are not 1-shot
- somitomi was Vig and got killed, bessie was Vig and got killed, I just wasted my shot (yes for some reason I only had a single bullet). But if you have a shot you should also be aware of this. Tell me how many opportuinities we have left?
- seriously? why would you think this would be the case?
Hmm, that first line was supposed to start with "some". Anyway, I basically listed the tools we have available to get scum. What's your big plan to eliminate scum that excludes all of these?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:02 pm UTC

I don't have any. I don't understand the mechanics behind the game.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:28 pm UTC

Right, neither do I, and that's why your confidence in your plans is suspicious. It looks as though there's at something you do know or want and you're trying to achieve that thing unrelated to catching scum.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:43 pm UTC

No, I'm just frustrated with this game and would like it to be over as soon as possible. My investigations turned up absolutely nothing, my shot is wasted, lynching is not possible. Nothing I do affects the outcome. Would have asked for replacement but that would be unfair to you guys.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby wam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:50 pm UTC

@plytho

Forgot I had promised that. Basically I'm an indie (I think). One of my win conditions is to get the most stuff. Measured on value (which i cant tell). So i went with the view bigger = more valuable so stole the biggest thing at Bessies.

And yes n2 results for Bessies would be good!
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby wam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:50 pm UTC

Ps I agree on the not sure how to end the game.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:38 pm UTC

@Sabrar, I understand your frustration. The fact that the game is still going means we can still win, though. (I assume) We just need to figure out how.

Maybe more claims are useful to at least figure out who's been doing what?

Did anyone get poisoned N2 or N3?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:20 pm UTC

Clarification on ending/wins.
*MYLO/LYLO will NOT be announced. The game will continue until all players' victory conditions are achieved, failed, or inevitable.

Flipping it around: At least one of you has a win condition that will make at least one of the others lose, and the result depends on player choices.

Once there are no conflicting win conditions among the remaining players, the game will end with an epilogue wherein the players take their time to clean up and implement their wins.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby freezeblade » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:58 pm UTC

Ok. I'm going to put this out there: Bessie was probably killed because her knowledge of the Solex Agitator.

This is the mcguffin of the game. I need to make sure it is/stays in MI6 hands.

I tried to follow bessie in order to get specifics from her about the Solex Agitator, which I have no other knowledge about besides that I need to have it remain or be in MI6 hands by the end of the game.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby wam » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:55 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
Did anyone get poisoned N2 or N3?


Not to my knowledge
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:43 pm UTC

Votals:

  • Mark <--(2)
    • Freezeblade
    • Plytho
  • Wam <-- (2)
    • Moody7277
    • Sabrar
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby moody7277 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:43 am UTC

Interesting supposition by freezeblade, I don't see a reason to dismiss it currently. I don't have any special items, other than a bunch of Scotch one bottle of which was blown up in the explosion at bessie's party last night. Nor do I have any special goals other than the generic "you win when all threats to town (MI6) are gone".
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:07 am UTC

Not aware of being poisoned. plytho, are you the posioner trying to see if you were successful?

So we're jailing wam or what?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:04 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:Not aware of being poisoned. plytho, are you the posioner trying to see if you were successful?
No, I'm the N1 victim, trying to figure out who poisoned me.

@Freezeblade: who did you see at bessies N1?

If anyone got poisoned N2 or N3 we can figure out who's doing the poisoning.

As for the plan. I'm not sure I like everyone going to a separate house. I know things take longer if we go to the same place, but at least then we know what everyone is up to.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:40 am UTC

SuicideJunkie wrote:Lurking is frowned upon; if you need to drop out, please let me know as soon as possible. If someone feels that another player isn't contributing to game play, please make me aware.

wam wrote:I was thinking through many cunning plans by pretending not to be in the game but decided they were not im the spirit of the game.

How can we tell if a player is lurking or not?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:42 am UTC

I thin bessie fakes her own death. There is no bold confirmation of her not being alive.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:44 am UTC

How many votes are reasonably enough for jail?

Could you please just state every relevant (public) information at the beginning of each day, so we don't have to run the same circles over and over again?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:46 am UTC

plytho wrote:As for the plan. I'm not sure I like everyone going to a separate house. I know things take longer if we go to the same place, but at least then we know what everyone is up to.
No, just no. I'm 100% against anything that would prolong this game and not give enough compensation in return. We can probably figure out on our own if someone does not follow the plan.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:16 pm UTC

Bessie is confirmed dead with the corpse.
I will add some bold for the mechanically relevant pieces of the news going forward.

Death notifications are delayed. I figured it would make things interesting for the paranoid people.

Also, unrelated, but it came up in my head last night:
Bessie's safehouse does remain a valid destination despite the damage.

PS:
I am open to adjusting the day length. Possibly ending it early when everyone has an evening travel order in.

Edit: fixed wording.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby freezeblade » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:38 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
Sabrar wrote:@Freezeblade: who did you see at bessies N1?vote: wam


I followed besse, but apparently didn't see her in the streets. I did not visit her safe house, but somitomi's.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby plytho » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:39 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:
plytho wrote:
Sabrar wrote:@Freezeblade: who did you see at bessies N1?vote: wam


I followed besse, but apparently didn't see her in the streets. I did not visit her safe house, but somitomi's.
I'm asking about N1
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby freezeblade » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:18 pm UTC

Oh, sorry. I read it too quickly.

I think I visited besse's after everyone else I think (second action) and only saw wam, doing something with a football.
I installed a motion sensor there which told me that 5 people had visited. I also noted that there was a pressure plate, which had been disabled or sabotaged.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby Sabrar » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:59 pm UTC

@freezeblade: vote wam
@wam: vote yourself if you're Town and not already jailed.

I'm going to Mark's tonight. I would advise anyone else to stay clear.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:06 pm UTC

Votals:

  • Mark <--(1)
    • Freezeblade
  • Wam <-- (3)
    • Moody7277
    • Sabrar
    • Plytho
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 004)

Postby freezeblade » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:12 pm UTC

vote: wam
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