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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby PossibleSloth » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:28 pm UTC

I agree with most of the role-speculation so far. I just have a few more thoughts:

Stafford's description mentions he'd be happy splitting the money 7 ways. This seems to imply the game could end with 7 winners. Since it's pretty clear Colin Aames is a survivor, I'd say there are 6 actual townies.

6 townies
3 mafia
1 Al Capone (SK/Cult/?)
1 survivor
Leaves 1 person unaccounted for. I agree with martin that Molly Creighton and Professor Unfortunatename are likely suspects for this one since both role descriptions seemed to imply they would keep all the money (or split it with Beau in Molly's case).

On first reading, Hudgins sounded like a vigilante to me, but I'm guessing it's more of an investigative role.
Rakysh wrote:I'm doubting Hudgins being a insane or paranoid or whatever because s/he'd be able to figure that out fairly easily, having seen the roletext.

That makes sense. Maybe he only gets a result if he finds his "elusive criminal".

It takes Hymie all his power to keep this powder-keg of rage under control.

This seemed important, but I'm not sure how it would work into the game mechanics. Maybe Moran becomes a SK if Weiss dies?

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby OMGLOLZORS » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:24 pm UTC

Rakysh wrote:I've been thinking about this, and I'd like to light FoS Oh me yarm. Partly for lack of anything better, but reposting basically what Martin said seems a little bit like scum trying to appear helpful, maybe.


I suppose this is partly true - however, there are things I've mentioned in my role speculation that perhaps were missed out in Martin's speculation - although this is my own speculation, there are going to be things which are obvious and both people might put.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby MartinW » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:28 pm UTC

Well, it seems we have a topic of discussion open to us (having mostly exhausted role speculation), viz. Lolz's post. Here's what I think:

Against him is the fact that the majority of his post is mostly what I said. Here's what I count as not something someone else said:
He says Al Capone might not be cult, due to cult not being mentioned in the first post.
Mentions Colin might be a watcher.
His take on Bugs is a tad different than mine, though a Hitman is both a strongman and a doublekiller.
Mentions Allens might be a rolecop or a lyncher in addition to what I guessed.
Mentions Walter might also be a lyncher.

But I doubt it's straight plagiarism of my post. Partly because he mentions Ms. Allens, whom I had omitted (if he was just stealing what I said he'd have also skipped her). And also due to his defence given, that he was posting his take on things and so might repeat where he agreed with me. He also is a bit more reluctant to declare one lover as mafia (though this might be due to what Cookie said).

All in all, it strikes me more as that of one who'd read everything (including other people's posts) and formulated his own opinion about it all, which he then posted (this agrees with his defence). There is also at least some original thinking involved, e.g. guess about Al Capone.

Though I'm not inclined to FOS Rak for the accusation. He posted it during a period of inactivity and strikes me more as townie trying to get a discussion going than scum trying to get a townie lynched. Scum really like quiet games. They can just sit back and watch the timelimit caused random lynches winning the game for them.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby MasterOfAll » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:42 pm UTC

Okay, I just did a re-read of everything, paying special attention to stuff from the mod (as nothing from the players jumped out at me yet).

First of all, based on the Win Conditions provided (copied here for easy reference)
Spoiler:
CF wrote:Town- You win when all Anti-Town factions are eliminated.
Survivor- You win if you are alive at the end of the game, regardless of what side wins.
Jester- You win when you get yourself lynched.
Lyncher- You win when you get your target lynched.
Serial Killer- You win when you kill everyone else.
Mafia- You win when the Serial Killer is dead and when your faction controls at least 50% of the votes.
Other- Wouldn't YOU like to know...
I think it highly likely that the anti-town contingent consists of 1 mafia faction (of just 3 players) and 1 SK. I think it is somewhat likely that we have 1 each: Survivor (independent), Jester (independent), and Lyncher (could be any alignment with lynch as secondary win condition), although we may have only 1 or 2 of these instead of all 3. I think it is quite likely that the "Other" is just the mod teasing us (so no cult, no special lover win conditions, nothing else unusual).

Okay, now looking at the list of Roles provided (copied here for easy reference)
Spoiler:
Al Capone
Famed leader of the South Side Chicago Outfit. No tears shed over the loss of Madame
Clio from this hardened crook. In fact, a twisted smile has adorned Capone's face since he
heard the news. This could be a BIG opportuinity for his Chicago Outfit to finally
take full control over his city. A chance to wipe out the leaders of the North Side
Gang is too good to pass up. And walking out of this one-horse town with the Madame's
fortune would just be icing on the cake. These poor saps have no idea what they've
gotten themselves into...


Beau Stafford
High School sweetheart of the lovely Miss Molly Creighton. Works hard as a construction
worker to provide for his dearest Molly. Beau doesn't make much money, but it's enough.
Even splitting the money 7 ways would be more than enough to give Molly the wedding she
deserves. It would also allow Beau to get a job less physically and time demanding while
still living comfortably with the woman he loves. Beau would do anything for Molly and has
often said that he would "die without her"...


Colin Aames
Younger brother of Madame Aames. Spent most of his life under the shadow of his
overly aggressive sister. Became more and more reserved and cautious as he aged
eventually becoming estranged from his own family just to get away from Madame
Aames. Fled to Twin Bridges when he turned 16 and lived a quiet life there until
his long lost sister showed up. Once again cast under her watchful eye Colin has
all but become a shut-in, rarely venturing out even into the small community
surrounding him. Some say he is the one who sold out his sister's location in
order to be finally rid of her. Those who know him better know this to be
impossible. Colin's only aim in life was to keep to himself and to survive. It
is rumored that he never sleeps...


Detective Paul I. Gardens
Paul I. Gardens doesn't know the meaning of the word irony. But that doesn't keep
him from being a great police officer. Det. Gardens loves Twin Bridges, and will
do anything under his jurisdiction to protect the law-abiding citizens that make
up his community. Despite being a small-town cop Det. Gardens is extremely level-
headed and fair. Age, Race and Creed mean very little him. There are two type of
people in Det. Gardens' world. Those who follow the law, and those who don't. If
you are in the latter group, you do not want to get in Paul I. Gardens way...


Doctor Young
Dr. Young's list of achievements seem to go on forever. High School Valedictorian,
first in her class at UCLA Med, published to all of the most prestigious medical
journals before she turned 20. None of these stack up to her desire to help the
sick. This is why she passsed up offers from hospitals in every major city across
the globe in preference of opening up a private practice in the small town of
Twin Bridges, Montana. Passing through she noticed that the town physician was also
the town Vet, and much better suited for the latter than the former. Since that day
it has been her duty to heal the people of Twin Bridges...


Earl "Hymie" Weiss
Earl Wojciechowski dropped his Polish name and picked up a Jewish one. In doing
so be became one of the most dangerous men in Chicago. The rage of losing his
longtime friend and former leader Dean O'Banion still burns strong within Hymie's
soul. If he still has one at least. He will not rest until he gets back what he
believes to belong to himself, and more importantly, to his long lost friend.
Hymie is a master of deception. Despite having a Jewish moniker he is actually
quite Catholic...


George "Bugs" Moran
Born Adelard Cunin, Bugs found good reasons to change his name at an early age.
Being incarcerated three times before your 21st birthday will give a guy a
reputation. Needless to say Bugs lives up to his nickname...with gusto. It takes
Hymie all his power to keep this powder-keg of rage under control. But keeping
a man like Bugs under lockdown is not only impossible, but a waste of a great
killing talent. It is almost assured that during their stay Hymie will throw
Bugs "one"...


Miss Allens
Classic small town story. Was born in Twin Bridges; grew up in Twin Bridges;
currently lives in Twin Bridges. And now it is very likely she will die in Twin
Bridges. She has never left her little town, except for that one time when she
attended her Cousin's wedding in Chinook. But she didn't much care for "those Big
City People". She lives a mostly quiet life, alone in her house with her pet
Pronghorn, Liam. Do not let this description fool you, Miss Allens is quite the
busy-body. She can tell you the goings on of just about every citizen to live in
Twin Bridges in the past 30 years. All of these strangers will surely have Miss
Allens working overtime...


Molly Creighton
High School Sweetheart of Beau Stafford. The two are inseperable. Was recently proposed
to and aims to live the rest of her life by the side of the man she loves. Winning the
money would buy the two the wedding (and honeymoon) of their dreams, as well as secure
them financially for life. She claims that she would not be able to go on living without
her Beau...


Professor Bautlekar
One would think that having an unfortunate last name would be enough for one child growing
up. But no! Professor B. (as he prefers to be called by his students) decided to become a
man of Science. Running experiments and building contraptions that explain the world around
him is his passion. His profession, Community College Professor. If he could win this money
Professor B. could give up teaching for good and pursue his goals of unlocking the secrets
of the Universe! Oh by the way, it's pronounced Bot-Leh-Car...


Vincent "The Schemer" Drucci
Born Vincenzo D'Ambrosio in Caltagirone, Sicily, The Schemer is the quitisential
mobster. Bank heists, kidnappings, The Schemer does it all. And he does it all without
question. What's good for the North Siders is good for the Schemer. That's why The Schemer
is Hymie's go to guy. He'll be sure to see a lot of action over the next few days...


Walter Hudgins
Former Officer of the Law for the quiet town of Twin Bridges. His mental capacity
has sharply declined due to a combination of old age and lack of proper police work.
It eventually led to a horrific tradgey including the accidental crippling of Twin
Bridges' claim to fame; rodeo champion Benny Reynolds. Walter was subsequently
stripped of his badge and became a social pariah. Due to his ever worsening
senility Walter relizes none of this and still roams the streets of Twin Bridges
looking for his elusive criminal. Perhaps this is finally his chance...
and trying to fit each character into what was mentioned in Win Conditions, while also paying attention to the clues about roles, leads me to this list:
Spoiler:
The Serial Killer (anti-town):
* Al Capone - probably just vanilla SK (shows up as anti-town to investigation, has no abilities other than nightly kill)

The Mafia (anti-town):
* Earl "Hymie" Weiss - most likely a godfather (shows up as TOWN to investigation, can perform nightly kill for mafia team)
* George "Bugs" Moran - may have additional one shot kill, or maybe one shot unblockable kill (shows up as anti-town to investigation, can perform nightly kill for mafia team)
* Vincent "The Schemer" Drucci - probably just vanilla scum (shows up as anti-town to investigation, can perform nightly kill for mafia team)

The Survivor (independent):
* Colin Aames - although, he might actually be a jester, but description does say "Colin's only aim in life was to keep to himself and to survive." I don't think the "never sleeps" part impacts the game.

The Cop (town):
* Detective Paul I. Gardens - most likely gets nightly investigation, only gets incorrect result when investigating godfather. I recommend only claiming after getting one or two guilty results, or if getting close to being lynched in which case it is best to list everyone investigated so far.

The Doctor (town):
* Doctor Young - almost certainly gets to protect one target each night from being killed. I recommend NEVER claiming doctor for any reason. If you are close to getting lynched, just act like a vanilla townie and try to steer attention elsewhere.

The Inventor (town or possibly jester):
* Professor Bautlekar - most likely town with ability to invent something each night, although I do not expect CF to allow anything too powerful to be created.

The Lovers (probably both town):
* Beau Stafford - I think it is likely that if Molly dies, Beau retaliates against hammerer/killer before committing suicide. May already know identity of Molly.
* Molly Creighton - I think that if Beau dies, Molly just commits suicide without retaliation, or maybe just becomes a jester instead of killer herself immediately. May already know identity of Beau.

The Rest (???):
* Walter Hudgins - senile former cop could be jester but is most likely lyncher looking for his "elusive criminal", in which case he could still be either town or independent.
* Miss Allens - a bit of a wildcard in my book. She could be a vanilla townie. She could be a jester. She could have watching/tracking ability. I think it is most likely she is some town variant.


Not sure that I am really adding anything new here, other than I strongly believe we are only looking for 4 total anti-town (the 1 SK and 3 scum), and I provided the standard cop and doctor recommendations since we have new players.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:15 pm UTC

MartinW wrote:Though I'm not inclined to FOS Rak for the accusation. He posted it during a period of inactivity and strikes me more as townie trying to get a discussion going than scum trying to get a townie lynched. Scum really like quiet games. They can just sit back and watch the timelimit caused random lynches winning the game for them.

This is entirely correct, as I kinda hinted with my "lack of anything else".

I think we need to consider the possibility of the Jester win text being put there as a mindfuck, although I do like MoA's idea about the lovers becoming jester. This gets around the lack of any basis in the roletext problem, and I suppose it is very important that we remember that we have almost certainly not got anywhere near the whole roletext in many/most cases.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:26 pm UTC

I was thinking about making my own rolelist, but seeing as I'm a newbie and pretty much everything that could be said has been said...

Anyway, any chance we can find out about anyone? I don't like the idea of having a random lynch.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby MasterOfAll » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:05 pm UTC

Weeks wrote:Anyway, any chance we can find out about anyone? I don't like the idea of having a random lynch.
If by "find out about anyone" you mean get the result of an investigation or something along those lines, then no, we probably won't get anything like that to help us on D1. However, what we CAN do is continue talking to each other about whatever we can (role info and flavor text are always good places to start and then we discuss people's posts about role info and flavor text and then we discuss people's posts about people's posts about . . .).

Nobody here advocates a random lynch. True, we may lynch an innocent because we really do not have very much to go on (unless an anti-town player makes a MAJOR mistake instead of just the usual very minor tells). But, even if our day one lynch goes wrong, we can go back over the discussion of what led us to that lynch and use it to help us. And, of course, by D2 we will have additional hard information (from the mod telling us about the player(s) who died) and some players gain information by using their abilities (the cop by investigating someone, the doctor if successful with protection, etc.).

So, yeah, it can be kind of a grind on D1, but really the only thing to do at this point is just keep the discussion going.

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New players have valid ideas, too. So, if you think there is any chance you might pick out something others missed, you might as well give it a try. You can even post a disclaimer along the lines of, "I don't have anything original, but since I spent the time putting this list together, I might as well share it with all of you."
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Andymeo » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:36 pm UTC

I agree with MoA that Walter Hudgins is probably a lyncher. Miss Allens is probably the "other" that CF refers to.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:30 am UTC

Actually what I was thinking about was Al Capone's role: I thought he was the Godfather at first, not realizing that he wants to kill the North Siders. So that means he can be Cult or SK.

I don't think he would not be Cult just because it wasn't mentioned in the OP. There is plenty of advice regarding mafia here and at the MafiaScum wiki which would make stating *every* possible role in the OP kind of superflous.

Then again...Al Capone is supposed to be one of those die-hard mafiosos right? That makes him suitable for SK I guess. But I wouldn't bet on any of the two right now.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:32 am UTC

ETA: Also...I have never watched The Godfather =/
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Flying_Cookie » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:33 am UTC

I haven't said to much, since most of what I would have said already has been. My thoughts on some of the recent stuff. About the win conditions, for one thing, the other includes Lover's win/loses, since it wasn't listed elsewhere, as well as at least one or two other people (probably). That is an interesting idea about lovers going jester, which would make sense since none of the other roles really fit very well for being suicidal.

Oh, and Al Capone was around during the prohibition (if my knowledge of history is correct) and was quite the die-hard. I think he had the judge in his trial shot.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:42 am UTC

Flying_Cookie wrote:That is an interesting idea about lovers going jester, which would make sense since none of the other roles really fit very well for being suicidal.

If they were, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be told. Either way, we just better be careful.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby crucialityfactor » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:33 pm UTC

This is your first and only warning. Pick up the pace. Seriously. With how eager you were to get going this is unacceptable.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Flying_Cookie » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:38 pm UTC

This is the earliest I can get on.
Rakysh wrote:
Flying_Cookie wrote:That is an interesting idea about lovers going jester, which would make sense since none of the other roles really fit very well for being suicidal.

If they were, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be told. Either way, we just better be careful.

Thats basically what I was thinking.
Well, we need some discussion, so how about
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:52 pm UTC

Huh. If we're speculating based on lurkage, we might as well

vote: Rhyme

Since I have seen nothing from this person besides confirmation.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:00 am UTC

EBWOP: The same could be said about Furioso, though. Hasn't posted anything after confirmation.

BTW, what timezone are you in, Flying_Cookie?
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Flying_Cookie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:50 am UTC

The point was more a discussion vote, but also lurkerage. Sometimes getting voted gets people to pay attention.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Senefen » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:36 am UTC

The first vote is almost always a guess anyway, so I may as well go with a lurker.

vote: Rhyme
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Andymeo » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:42 am UTC

I agree but I dont want to bandwagon so

Vote: Furiso

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Avelion » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:49 am UTC

Sorry for the lurkage, but being new and all I didn't have much to contribute to role speculation. I still haven't received any tea.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Flying_Cookie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:54 am UTC

Just say whatever comes to mind really.
On another note, I'm rather concerned about the sudden bandwagoning of Rhyme... A discussion vote is all fine and good until two more people vote the same person at the same time. I'm sure we can come up with some better reason than lurking... At least give said lurkers a chance to respond.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:56 am UTC

Well, now Avelion is back in, it seems it must be Rhyme. I say we wait for a day, give xhe a chance.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:59 am UTC

Indeed, I am even more suspicious of Flying Cookie for not Unvoting straight away. I'm thinking Lyncher. I'm not voting yet, but you're on thin ice sonny jim.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby OMGLOLZORS » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:16 am UTC

I'm going to give Rhyme a chance to respond, but otherwise I think I'm going to just go with voting Rhyme.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Senefen » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:10 am UTC

Flying_Cookie wrote:Just say whatever comes to mind really.
On another note, I'm rather concerned about the sudden bandwagoning of Rhyme... A discussion vote is all fine and good until two more people vote the same person at the same time. I'm sure we can come up with some better reason than lurking... At least give said lurkers a chance to respond.
Bandwagoning is as much a part of the game as anything else in my opinion. The mafia and lynchers can utilise it or it can be the random panic factor that destroys plans. There's so little you can do in the first round as you can't analyse votes and no one's given their identities.
It's a shot in the dark no matter what, you may as well shoot someone who doesn't seem to care.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:22 am UTC

*tea for Avelion*

I would like to FURTHER EMPHASISE that F_C is being quite lynchery cos I'm being ignored atm. He hasn't unvoted, and voted for one of the two lurkers without discussing it. "Random" chance is an excellent way for us to be controlled by the scum. He's now worrying about the Rhyme bandwagon, possibly because we aren't going for his lurker? (who isn't even lurking any more).

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Avelion » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:34 pm UTC

Perhaps he's one of the lovers and Rhyme is the other?
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:19 pm UTC

Possible, yes. Ok, so one of the two.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Weeks » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:51 pm UTC

Judging by Rhyme's post history...it would seem she's kind of a busy person.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Kolko » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:20 pm UTC

Votals:
Rhyme: 3 (Avelion, Senefen & Weeks)
Avelion: 1 (Flying_Cookie)
Furioso: 1 (Andymeo)
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby MasterOfAll » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:24 pm UTC

I actually have to agree with the winged cookie in regards to Rhyme. While I am generally in favor of publicly calling out inactives and lurkers, I find it rather concerning that a bandwagon got rolling on the player who JUST AGREED TO BE A REPLACEMENT. Also, in my book, it was a bit early on D1 to be going after inactives and lurkers. I know that when you read through old games it can seem like everything happens bang-bang-bang, but if you look at the dates of the posts things are usually (although not always) at a more sedate real life pace. That doesn't mean we can all just shut up and check back in after a few real life days have gone by, but I do think we should cut Rhyme a little slack for now. (I am not saying anyone should unvote, but I will be very suspicious of the next player who casts a vote for her if it happens soon.)

With that said, if a couple more days go by and we do not hear from her (and CF then informs us that another replacement player is not going to happen), and nothing else terribly scummy is said by anyone in the meantime, then sure, I could be content with a Rhyme lynch.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rhyme » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:03 am UTC

Yes, I know, this is my fault and I take complete responsibility for joining the game and not being able to keep up. I probably should've figured out exactly how many days were going to attack me at once before they did and before I confirmed, but I didn't, so I've been unable to post for quite some time.
Excuses gotten out of the way, I would normally find the sudden bandwagon suspicious, but a) It's day one, and this is the best way to get someone to start talking (actually, I was a bit worried when I came back that I'd been lynched or modkilled already) and b) I signed up as a replacement here and didn't do anything more than confirm, very bad form.

Actually, it might be worth looking at those who are strongly against hastiness, alongside the people who appear to be going for a quick lynch. If I die and turn up town, suspicion could fall on everyone who voted, and the people who were against it might be able to stay trusted. (That Avelion came back only to vote me for lurking with no explanation is somewhat offputting.) Just as likely to fall the other way, considering the paranoia that Mafia sparks, but perhaps worth the thought. Or maybe it's the both-points-of-view people who shouldn't be trusted? However, that leaves just about no one, with the wifom. Not at all helpful. (Suspicions aside, I do thank the people who advocated not killing me in my sleep.)

By the way, the mod said "-Don't think that you can get away with a cheap win by having everyone Role Claim. Rest assured I have put measures into this game Role-wise that will ensure that things will go badly for you."
Any idea what sort of counter-mass-roleclaim measures are in place, and how much we should avoid claiming? My only thoughts on it have been multiple townies who actually have the same role, some sort of mafia power-role who gets advantages from claiming, or something that damages town power-roles with each claim. The idea seems to be mostly to stop game-breaking strategies, but would it, for example, hurt us if someone claimed before a lynch, or we decided to follow-the-cop for some reason? Also, why would we not be allowed to quote our role PM if these precautions are in place, outside of it being general policy?

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Avelion » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:17 am UTC

unvote: Rhyme

You're cleared of my suspicion at least for the moment.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Senefen » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:29 am UTC

Unvote: Rhyme
I'd rather take out a non-poster first round.

Though if we don't pick some soon GM will get mad :P, there's no one to logically choose. I jumped on a bandwagon (well, I was the second vote), because I can't logically point the finger at anyone in the first round, they weren't posting and I was going for the option that would end the round the soonest.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Avelion » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:31 am UTC

Shall we wait until morning to make rash decisions? There is the no lynch option.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Senefen » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:35 am UTC

If everyone wants, the trouble is the way people vote gives an idea into which team they're on, if no one does anything it'll be like the first day all over again, only with one less townie.
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Avelion » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:40 am UTC

Wouldn't we have more flavor text to work off of and possible investigation results though? Also, if win conditions aren't there just to mess with us and there is actually an sk isn't there also a good chance of being one less scum in the morning?
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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Rakysh » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:46 am UTC

Nolynch gives the Mafia a free kill, although seeing as we are now sans lurkers, there is a case to be made. I'm assuming, however, that in the course of this discussion, at least one person will be rather scummy.

CF wont end the round with discussion going, I'm fairly sure. His warning was just cos we were whining earlier, and then not doing anything.

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Re: The Legend of Mafia Manor: Newbie Round- Day 1

Postby Flying_Cookie » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:26 am UTC

The reason I left my vote on Avelion simply because I felt it was a bit odd to be discussion/luker voted, and right away vote another lurker, only to have a swift bandwagon for said lurker to form afterwards. It seems much more expedient to not lynch lurkers right away on day one, since theres always a chance someone can say something. Even if it is just everyone stating that they have no idea of who to vote for at all, then decide to go after the lurkers.
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I'm finding your logic rather questionable here, especially the whole claiming I'm ignoring you. Your post was up for about Five hours, and those being hours (in my time zone anyway) that I am not up at. You can't expect people to be up at three AM to respond to anything. I've explained my reasoning for not unvoting, so hopefully that will clear things up.
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