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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby ThinkSweet » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:11 am UTC

Wow, Wed deadline? Turbo is turbo :P

I'm not going to add to others rolespec, cos what little I am aware of has already been covered.

I'm very tempted to vote bio, just cos it's turbo & Day 1, but being a meta & bastard game, I'm also very wary of following the 'cop'!

Ok, so far I'm thinking Weiyaoli, bio & Lataro are acting reasonably Townie.
My possible scum list is:
Bio - if Az is correct
Az - I don't trust random cops, could be making it up to get bio lynched
ahippo - following a sus cop so fast
NaR & DrUg - for FOS on Sungura, just for happening to post some in jokes
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:14 am UTC

ahippo wrote:And at worst if b.i.o turns out to be scum then we know who to lynch the next day.

No, you don't. Az isn't an idiot, and getting me lynched on a false cop on purpose on D1 would be idiotic.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:15 am UTC

Also, because it's kind of important: make sure nobody misses my last post on the previous page.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby ThinkSweet » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:15 am UTC

Actually, thinking about it, roleclaiming cop on the back of just 2 votes isn't very wise for a cop, so bio moves more into the sus group.

@bio, so you're saying Az's cop was paranoid? or he's a lyncher & will win if you die?
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:24 am UTC

If I were me I'd be much more apt to think that I'm some sort of bio lyncher, or at least that my investigation of bio would be false. I am not only my residual suspicion of bio caused me to pick him. And yes, one shot in this case means that I no longer have an investigate.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:35 am UTC

I'm saying his cop was paranoid or insane. The only person who could really possibly be a lyncher for me is role-Azrael, and I'm pretty certain Azrael isn't himself, since the post restriction thing wouldn't make any sense at all. I'm not at all surprised that Az chose to investigate me, since we have more than a bit of a history. (He was very near the top of my investigation list, too.)

As for my claim not being very wise: I'm not happy about it, because I hate claiming (especially D1), but I disagree. That looked like a pretty fast bandwagon developing, and on D1, a cop result is a pretty good excuse for a lynch. If I did not claim, I almost certainly would have been lynched, especially since I'm about to go to sleep and won't be able to respond at all for the next 8ish hours. Now that I have claimed I will still almost certainly be lynched. But this way the town gets a cop result that will be validated when I die and my roleclaim is verified.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Not A Raptor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:46 am UTC

ThinkSweet wrote:Wow, Wed deadline? Turbo is turbo :P

I'm not going to add to others rolespec, cos what little I am aware of has already been covered.

I'm very tempted to vote bio, just cos it's turbo & Day 1, but being a meta & bastard game, I'm also very wary of following the 'cop'!

Ok, so far I'm thinking Weiyaoli, bio & Lataro are acting reasonably Townie.
My possible scum list is:
Bio - if Az is correct
Az - I don't trust random cops, could be making it up to get bio lynched
ahippo - following a sus cop so fast
NaR & DrUg - for FOS on Sungura, just for happening to post some in jokes

I didn't intend to put any suspicion on Amy, I just wanted to get her to jump right into the speculation waters. They're warm and inviting waters, you know. Dr Ug took that and ran with it.

As for Azrael001 vs. b.i.o, I'm more willing to trust b.i.o. As we're encouraged in this game to metagame, Az likes bold plays. In addition, we're encouraged to metagame the mod. I wouldn't put it past AngrySquirrel to make people themselves just to throw off our expectations. It's possible that Az is Az is Az.

As it stands, I think Azrael001 is scum.

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:49 am UTC

I think bio should consider investigating Az. It would be bizarre inexplicable scum play to claim cop and claim a scum result on a towny - so Az might actually do this as scum. However, he could also be telling the truth. If bio comes back scum, then we haven't lost anything as he would have been lying about having a cop. If he comes back town, we can believe his cop result and have more or less evidence of Az's scumminess.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:56 am UTC

EBWOP: Missed a page.

We should definitely not lynch quickly here. We have two claimed cops, and they could very well both be telling the truth. I think bio copping Az may clear some of this up (assuming he's telling the truth). Then again, if Az is Godfather, it would almost have been believable for him to have claimed like this on D1. As has been said, he likes bold plays. I'm not sure who the best cop target for bio would be...

As for my FoS on Amy being rushed - this is a turbo game. At that point (before the cop claims), it was the most suspicious thing I'd seen - but not enough for a vote (which in a turbo game means not much more than NaR's prompt for more content).

I want to wait for bio's cop result before deciding on a lynch.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:10 am UTC

Dr Ug wrote:I think bio should consider investigating Az. It would be bizarre inexplicable scum play to claim cop and claim a scum result on a towny - so Az might actually do this as scum. However, he could also be telling the truth. If bio comes back scum, then we haven't lost anything as he would have been lying about having a cop. If he comes back town, we can believe his cop result and have more or less evidence of Az's scumminess.

bio has considered and will continue to consider investigating Az. However bio doesn't think Az is scum because bio thinks that claiming a scum cop result on a townie would be an incredibly bad scum play, and bio knows that Az is not incredibly bad as scum. As such, bio will not be investigating Az today.

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:26 am UTC

I briefly flirted with that idea, but I've not got any strong opinion on it.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Misnomer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:11 am UTC

The Bio/Az back and forth doesn't seem much to base a lynch vote on - until we can get a better grasp of Az's sanity, I don't think we should vote for either him or bio atm. Which conveniantly leads me on to my next point as to what we should do with our D1 lynch.

I think we should lynch Angry Squirrel. Partly because I think its quite possible that AS may be being far more of a bastard mod than she originally implied she would. But mostly because I need to lynch the mod to win.

Yeah, I'm tigerlion, and I'm a militant atheist. Lynch the mod and I win and become a standard townie. My role is currently officially pro-town anyway, but I won't win with town unless I can win myself first.

So yeah, please help me lynch the mod. If you do, I shall be eternally grateful and you'll effectively get a confirmed town on your side. Ignore my pleas and I'll probably just spend the rest of the game sulking and being as unhelpful as possible. Please don't let it come to that - bitterness doesn't suit me. :wink:

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:15 am UTC

b.i.o wrote:bio has considered and will continue to consider investigating Az. However bio doesn't think Az is scum because bio thinks that claiming a scum cop result on a townie would be an incredibly bad scum play, and bio knows that Az is not incredibly bad as scum. As such, bio will not be investigating Az today.
Which is exactly why it would actually be quite a good (if ballsy) play. Similar to Vox saying "I am Kira" D1 of DN2.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:27 am UTC

Which worked out so well for us then... :|
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Not A Raptor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:39 am UTC

Misnomer wrote:The Bio/Az back and forth doesn't seem much to base a lynch vote on - until we can get a better grasp of Az's sanity, I don't think we should vote for either him or bio atm. Which conveniantly leads me on to my next point as to what we should do with our D1 lynch.

I think we should lynch Angry Squirrel. Partly because I think its quite possible that AS may be being far more of a bastard mod than she originally implied she would. But mostly because I need to lynch the mod to win.

Yeah, I'm tigerlion, and I'm a militant atheist. Lynch the mod and I win and become a standard townie. My role is currently officially pro-town anyway, but I won't win with town unless I can win myself first.

So yeah, please help me lynch the mod. If you do, I shall be eternally grateful and you'll effectively get a confirmed town on your side. Ignore my pleas and I'll probably just spend the rest of the game sulking and being as unhelpful as possible. Please don't let it come to that - bitterness doesn't suit me. :wink:

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I'm rather leery of that proposition. Who's to say that you won't take AS's place or cause the game to come to an abrupt end? I believe your win condition, at the very least. Besides, priority one is: lynch scum. Priority two is: lynch more scum. Maybe if you can make a good case that AS is scum... Hell, maybe if the person with the AS role (if that exists) is scum, we both come out better for it if that person is lynched?
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby weiyaoli » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:19 am UTC

The problem is as I can see with Az is that I don't quite think he is scum. The "one-shot cop" is a bit too convenient though but I think it could lend weight to the scenario where he is a lyncher who wants to lynch role-MartinW(If bio is telling the truth). The exact problem I have with the "one-shot cop" is that it's one-shot so we cannot try it again on someone else to see what sanity the first was and anyway we have no way of knowing if there was a second cop that it was the same sanity as the first.

I don't claim to understand bio's claim after 2 votes but I think, in a turbo game with only 48 hours-ish for days that it at least makes some sense that wise. It is a bit hasty though as he wasn't in any danger of being lynched after 2 votes considering there are 15 players so 8 votes were needed. That said, I do think it's best if we don't lynch him today, simply to let him get an investigation result if he is a cop of course.

That said, I don't think or believe militant atheists are going to be entirely just town which would allow for a win easily early on as long as everyone votes and lynches the mod. On the other hand, they aren't often scum either so I'm thinking it is likely that he is independent and not town as he claims to be. In any case, we could very well put it off if we find that he does also win with town until later in the middle-game not D1 where we would get NO information from it at all except for one more confirmed townie.

There's also one more thing I noticed whilst re-reading the OP.

AngrySquirrel wrote:5. Under this follows a list of role-names you might encounter in this game. Some does not appear at all, some appear more than once and some roles don't have their name on this list at all. This list is all you'll get to know about the setup.


Therefore there could well be (TOWN)MartinW and a (SCUM)MartinW. I'm not sure if anyone else picked up on this though.

I'm not sure enough either way at the moment so I guess I'll throw up a fos on them:
FoS: Az
FoS: bio
FoS: Misnomer
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby tastelikecoke » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:56 am UTC

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby tastelikecoke » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:06 am UTC

There's something odd in the discussion thread lately.

Mafiaballs
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This is of course a Metagame. As much as possible I make metagame humor. I don't think about metahumor though, my self-reference ticket expired a moment ago.

Clearly a newcomer like me have much to learn about xkcd's mafia people. Half of people in the list barely rung any bells to me. I only knew closely at most the newest players.

@NaR: I don't understand what "Played near the beginning" means though.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:11 pm UTC

Those aren't jokes, those are meta. The old memes and jokes of days old are exactly what framed the players, it is their meta. I'm surprised some of you don't seem to understand that. Although, Dr Ug is after me, what else is new?

As for Azrael, I have good reason to trust him because I have figured out who he is now. I love playing with oldies, so much easier to read (unless they are CF or IS! Then, forget it.) And throwing out pure FoS's is silly so I may as well just

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:53 pm UTC

I investigated Dr Ug, because I found his suspicion of Sungura unwarranted and I find him hard to read in general. The investigation came back town.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:55 pm UTC

Yay? Only if you're proven town can we even come close to trusting that, if I'm right, then we have to ignore it entirely. I think that investigating me would have been better.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:18 pm UTC

Azrael001 wrote:Yay? Only if you're proven town can we even come close to trusting that, if I'm right, then we have to ignore it entirely. I think that investigating me would have been better.

If you're scum you're a godfather. There's no other way what you did makes any sense. In that case, you're scum but an investigation will reveal you to be town, which will hand potential scum a lot of power.

Another possible case is my meta-within-meta theory, where any investigation you do on me is paranoid. However, in that case, I'd expect any investigation I do on you to also be paranoid and would thus be harmful as well, since if that's the case I think you're town.

The final case is that you're town who just happened to get a paranoid or insane investigation. Only then is the investigation useful, and then it's only useful if I die today anyway and my claim is verified.

Since at this point I'm giving these all relatively equal weights, I'd say there's a roughly two-thirds chance investigating you would have been harmful rather than helpful. Given that, and given that I still think I'm the most likely lynch target today anyway, I chose to investigate someone else entirely because I think there's a much better chance of that investigation result being true.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Sruixan » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:19 pm UTC

...so, what's going on here, then?

...a lot, as it happens. Oh goodie.

Now, let's see, first things first. I'm most certainly flavour-challenged, possessing only vague memories from reading past games here whilst trying to learn the trade. Most of the names on the list ring bells, but they are faint and distant ones that come not with details or quirks or much, to be honest, that could possibly be useful. The few I know are those that many others have already speculated on quite readily, so ho hum...

Right, next up, Az vs. b.i.o. There are a lot of ways at looking at this, depending on how much you want to assume is true; if everything is as they say it is, then presumably Az's cop was paranoid or insane. I doubt not for a minute that a one-shot cop is a possible reward; I think I have seen it offered before in games here. Whether or not the bastardry in this game would go so far as to make it paranoid, I dunno. b.i.o's idea that meta could have skewed the cop result is just bastardly enough to be possible, but it is a little left-field. One of them could be lying, in which case there are many parts of their statements that could be the lies. We could be looking at a lyncher-lynchee pair (the idea that Az is actually Az is crazy enough to be potentially true, IMO), or a bold scum move from either of the two.

(at this point I find a new development has cropped up whilst I was typing - namely, b.i.o's cop result)

I'm not so sure I'm happy with your claim now, b.i.o. A daycop power right out of the box is perhaps far-fetched even for a game of this standard and Az is quite right - it would have been much more useful had you investigated him. Why did you not?

I'm very tempted to follow Sungura's lead here. She's experience enough for her claim that she knows who Az is to have substance, and if that information has lead her to vote b.i.o, it must be a damned good fit, assumedly making Az trustworthy to that point it is clear that b.i.o is lying. Even then, a cop claim is not something to be taken lightly so I might hold off until I am entirely convinced either way...

The next curiousity is the flavour from AS that the person with the role of Sungura has the role list. Quite how detailed said list is (does it just say who is in the game or does it pair names to roles?) remains to be seen, but it is out there. I can't help but note that, since we know now for sure that Sungura is out there, we could probably track them down by getting everyone to make some pre-determined lie in a post (such as "2+2=6457" or "the sky is orange", for example), since it would not surprise me if the Sungura-player had a restriction whereby they could not tell a lie, but that is not a foolproof method, since a mafioso would merely have to refuse to say it and we'd be none-the-wiser as to who the real Sungura was. We might not even want to put a name to Sungura, for fear of their swift death if we do so, but it was just a thought.

Misnomer's claim of Tigerlion and militant atheist must presumably fit, since expert eyes have been cast over it and no holes have been picked in its believability. The problem, as far as I see it is that we have no guarantee as to your towniness - the one game I've seen with militant atheists was Whackabanana and in that they weren't exactly pro-town, if memory serves. I can't help but think we could do better in terms of finding a candidate to lynch; I would have thought lynching someone who was playing would net more information than the death of the mod. weiyaoli makes the point that lynching the mod does not have to happen now, if at all, and that I can agree to.

Um, have I got anything else? Oh, maybe; tastelikecoke's spoiler is nothing to be afraid of, those of you playing in Mafiaballs - it appears that the restriction on his shoulders is perhaps to post in spoilers, though not entirely, by the looks of it, but at least partially. If anyone knowledgeable in the possible roles could pick out just who tlc might be, since the restriction is so distinctive, then we might be able to get some info out of them - maybe identifying their restriction might net a similar award to when Az's was noted? (assuming he was telling the truth, of course...)
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby AngrySquirrel » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:35 pm UTC

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:43 pm UTC

Sruixan wrote:I'm not so sure I'm happy with your claim now, b.i.o. A daycop power right out of the box is perhaps far-fetched even for a game of this standard and Az is quite right - it would have been much more useful had you investigated him. Why did you not?

There are no nights: any cop is a daycop, and so my having one right off the bat is no less plausible than a normal cop. I did not investigate Az for the reasons I gave in my last post: I judged that the result was more likely to be harmful than helpful to the town.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Sruixan » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:49 pm UTC

b.i.o wrote:
Sruixan wrote:I'm not so sure I'm happy with your claim now, b.i.o. A daycop power right out of the box is perhaps far-fetched even for a game of this standard and Az is quite right - it would have been much more useful had you investigated him. Why did you not?

There are no nights: any cop is a daycop, and so my having one right off the bat is no less plausible than a normal cop.

...my apologies. I prove myself incapable of reading. Righty ho then...

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b.i.o wrote:I did not investigate Az for the reasons I gave in my last post: I judged that the result was more likely to be harmful than helpful to the town.

Yeah, sorry, you ninja'ed me with that one. I must admit that your logic is quite sound, although it irks me somewhat that you are assuming that Az's move necessarily has to make sense...
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Lataro » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:53 pm UTC

Well, we got interesting flavor, a scum result from one claimed cop, on another claimed cop who has a town result.

Setting aside the flavor for now, and on to the more pressing matter of the two claimed cops situation, we have a bit of a mess here.

Apparently, my noticing AZ's odd posting style netted him an investigation. I've no clue whose meta that could be but Amy seems to think she does know. This presents three possibilities.

AZ and Amy are in on this together, and it's a trick.
AZ has set something up to mimic someone's possible meta, and Amy has fallen for it.
Az is telling the truth, and Amy has picked up on whose meta would fit.

Without anyway to prove or disprove AZ's statement or Amy's intent at this time, there isn't much to do, it is just useful info to file away for down the road.

This brings me to AZ's claimed investigation results. This of course has a number of possibilities. Assuming AZ is telling the truth here, we have to question his sanity. Amy, in her claim to know whose meta AZ has, seems to trust the results, suggesting that she believes him to be sane. Bio has offered forth the suggestion of meta within a meta and that any result on him from AZ would be paranoid or insane. The meta within a meta does fit the bill of bastardly modding, however, this whole matter is laced with wine.

As to Bio's results. He has gotten town on Dr Ug. This too brings up the question of his sanity, more potential wine. I don't suppose anyone can tell those of us in the dark if MartinW was known for being any particular kind of cop?

My biggest problem with this situation is that if we lynch bio, and he comes back down, AZ's cop if he is actually telling the truth could of been paranoid or insane. If this is the case and the argument arises to lynch him because bio was telling the truth, we could be down two town roles, and walk away with little information for day three, as this mess would of allowed the scum to easily hide.

I'm gonna hold my vote right now, even though I think we might have to lynch bio to unravel some of this mess, in order to have others chime in on this, as a number of people haven't commented on the situation as of yet.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby b.i.o » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:21 pm UTC

Lataro wrote:Apparently, my noticing AZ's odd posting style netted him an investigation. I've no clue whose meta that could be but Amy seems to think she does know.

If I had to guess, I'd guess NaR. I could see it also being oneofthedragon or one of a few others.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Misnomer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:38 pm UTC

Not A Raptor wrote:I'm rather leery of that proposition. Who's to say that you won't take AS's place or cause the game to come to an abrupt end? I believe your win condition, at the very least. Besides, priority one is: lynch scum. Priority two is: lynch more scum. Maybe if you can make a good case that AS is scum... Hell, maybe if the person with the AS role (if that exists) is scum, we both come out better for it if that person is lynched?

Heh, I think AS has probably put too much effort into this game to let the moderation of it fall into my grubby hands. And I'd be stunned if this game, as crazy as it is, had the possibility of a day 1 end (besides, from a story point of view, squirrel's death could always just see Roadierich take over, so there'd be no flavour reason why the game had to end).

The issue at the moment is that I can't just sit back and see town lynch scum (or for that matter, town lynch town), because whatever side triumphs, I lose if I haven't got my mod lynch. Whereas if I do get it, I can then help you lynch scum.

Interesting thought on the AS role though. If it looks like somebody could be that, I'll help you lynch them on the off-chance it'll count as my victory.

weiyaoli wrote:That said, I don't think or believe militant atheists are going to be entirely just town which would allow for a win easily early on as long as everyone votes and lynches the mod. On the other hand, they aren't often scum either so I'm thinking it is likely that he is independent and not town as he claims to be. In any case, we could very well put it off if we find that he does also win with town until later in the middle-game not D1 where we would get NO information from it at all except for one more confirmed townie.


I don't "also win" with town. I win with town if and only if I first win via mod lynch. Which does apparently seem to mean that I end up winning twice - which is admittedly odd, but that's the situation I find myself in. As for putting it off, that would be a bad move on towns part, assuming your town. It stands to reason that as the game goes on we will have more evidence on which to base suspicions - or in other words, our lynches will become more informed and therefore hopefully more effective. It therefore stand to reason that if you are going to help me lynch the mod, you should do so on D1, when you are least capable of making an informed lynch.

And a confirmed townie is better than an accidentally lynched townie. ;)

Sruixan wrote:Misnomer's claim of Tigerlion and militant atheist must presumably fit, since expert eyes have been cast over it and no holes have been picked in its believability. The problem, as far as I see it is that we have no guarantee as to your towniness - the one game I've seen with militant atheists was Whackabanana and in that they weren't exactly pro-town, if memory serves. I can't help but think we could do better in terms of finding a candidate to lynch; I would have thought lynching someone who was playing would net more information than the death of the mod. weiyaoli makes the point that lynching the mod does not have to happen now, if at all, and that I can agree to.

My understanding is that in Whackabanana the militant atheists were a recruiting cult (at least that's what it looks like - its a very confusing game to read through), hence why they had a win separate from that of town and mafia. Needless to say I am not the head of a recruiting cult, otherwise I would have kept my mouth shut. And as I mentioned above, town should either lynch the mod at the start of the game or not at all.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Lataro » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:11 pm UTC

I hate to break it to you, but it'll pry be not at all. We actually gain no new information from, and no offense to you, wasting a lynch on the mod. Ideally, you should of waited to a MYLO situation to make your argument for a mod lynch, which if town had no solid reasons to lynch anyone else, and more info might come from another round of actions, you might of been able to sell them on. At this point, as you've said, you want the mod lynched and won't be helpful until we bend to your will. This makes you more of an annoyance to us. You aren't a threat per say, but if you are going to stick back your statement of not playing ball til you get your way, you'll very likely end up being largely ignored. A better way to handle this might be to play ball in our collective interests, and down the road if we get an opportunity to get your your win, either though a MYLO were town has interests in not killing a player due to game circumstances, or if say, there are two town, one scum, and you (MYLO) even if the scum is known, you could pry get us to lynch AS first, lose a man to the kill, and get you your double win.

It really is in your interest to join our ball club, as we would be more willing to look out for you down the road like that, than if you acting like a thorn in our side. Just food for thought.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Misnomer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:42 pm UTC

Lataro wrote:I hate to break it to you, but it'll pry be not at all. We actually gain no new information from, and no offense to you, wasting a lynch on the mod. Ideally, you should of waited to a MYLO situation to make your argument for a mod lynch, which if town had no solid reasons to lynch anyone else, and more info might come from another round of actions, you might of been able to sell them on. At this point, as you've said, you want the mod lynched and won't be helpful until we bend to your will. This makes you more of an annoyance to us. You aren't a threat per say, but if you are going to stick back your statement of not playing ball til you get your way, you'll very likely end up being largely ignored. A better way to handle this might be to play ball in our collective interests, and down the road if we get an opportunity to get your your win, either though a MYLO were town has interests in not killing a player due to game circumstances, or if say, there are two town, one scum, and you (MYLO) even if the scum is known, you could pry get us to lynch AS first, lose a man to the kill, and get you your double win.

It really is in your interest to join our ball club, as we would be more willing to look out for you down the road like that, than if you acting like a thorn in our side. Just food for thought.


Hmmm... can we rely on AS to declare whether or not a situation is MYLO though? She's said she's going to be mildly bastardy after all. And, this being a crazy game with bizarre roles and day kills, it's hard to see how a stable state of MYLO can actually be achieved.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:45 pm UTC

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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Lataro » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:53 pm UTC

Either way, your attitude of wanting your way now or you aren't going to play nice isn't going to win anyone over. Trying to get 7 other people to go along with you on this on day one isn't going to happen. We'd basically have another day one tomorrow, and the bio/AZ situation wouldn't look any clearer. It is not in our best interests day one to do this. I don't know if we'll be accurately told such situations, either way even if we aren't, you'd have a heck of a lot of an easier time when less players were left alive, and thus less votes were needed. Play ball for now and if we have a chance, you'll be more likely to get us to help you get your win. Be a thorn, and even if there is a chance later, we may just decide to screw you because you've been a pain all game.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Not A Raptor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:58 pm UTC

I don't think we care about your hate so much as the confusion that got stirred up. For instance, I'm trying to figure out whether or not I was hasty in my vote. It's possible that I associate your natural (prickly) demeanor with scumminess. B.i.o's cop target explanation is well-reasoned, but I don't think I can trust the results until we have things settled. The best way to test both cops would be a b.i.o lynch... but I am naturally predisposed to believing him more than you because he seems to be more personable. It's a gut thing.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:02 pm UTC

I completely agree with Lataro . In fact I'd almost be willing to lynch Misnomer, as he seems to be trying to divert attention from the Az/bio thing, which needs to be resolved because the day ends tomorrow.

Ninja'd by NaR:

I was specifically aiming my hate at Misnomer, who seems bound and determined to have a huge side discussion right near the end of day one. Also I started reading Something Positive from the start again, so my misanthropy is waxing. Anyway, as things stand now the best way to get information is to lynch bio. If Misnomer is trying to protecting with his obfuscating mod lynch plee, then I think that he's not acting in the best interests of the town. I don't know how much more obvious things can get.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby AngrySquirrel » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:45 pm UTC

As the day draws long the inhabitants of Mafiaville decided to go get some lunch. They are chewing down on Mama's Tasty Meat Pies when a loud bang is heard. Another gunshot has been fired! Rushing towards the sound they find Sungura, injured but still alive. Someone has tried to kill her! Before the townies get a chance to investigate this further however someone screams. A finger has been found in one of Mama's Tasty Meat Pies! Expecting the worst, and also gagging a bit, they quickly do a head-count to see who is still around, it seems that Lataro is missing.

Lataro has been killed. He was playing as himself (Lataro, mafia) and was flavorful master of evil. Once per day he could submit a post that would be posted by the mod as game-flavour.

There has also been an attempt at Sungura's life but it failed.

Votals:
3 b.i.o (Azrael001, ahippo, Sungura)
2 Azrael001 (Not A Raptor, tastelikecoke)
1 AngrySquirrel (Misnomer)

14 players, 8 to lynch.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:56 pm UTC

I'm guessing that the post about vector zero going after me earlier was Lataro setting up for trying to kill me. I thought something was a bit off, because VZ was never one of the ones after me all the time, and certainly not one to backstab me, and AS knew this for a fact so it would only make sense if it was VZ as another player but the player that first comes to mind for that is not on the list.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Lataro » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:06 pm UTC

Post more spoilers people, so the dead can be entertained.

P.S.

Blah.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Misnomer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:13 pm UTC

Well that was unexpected. :shock:

Anyways, this should hopefully slightly allay fears that I'm a mafia-aligned militant atheist. Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to say that now that a scum is dead, we can afford a mod lynch. :P



But yeah, I do appreciate how frustrating my behaviour must be, and I do genuinely feel bad. I wish there were another way, but I cannot just sit still in the hope that people may eventually feel like supporting my mod lynch at some point in the distant future, assuming I'm still alive then.

The day will end in just under 16 hours. If by that point its clear that either Az or Bio is deserving of a lynch, then I'll reluctantly join in the real lynching, as having neither a real lynch nor a mod lynch would be the worst outcome for town. But if it's clear that there's no consensus as the deadline approaches, then I urge you all to help me lynch the mod, and get yourselves a free confirmed townie.
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Re: [Turbo] - Metagame - Day 1 - Gojoe can not be trusted

Postby Sungura » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:26 pm UTC

Misnomer wrote:Well that was unexpected. :shock:

Anyways, this should hopefully slightly allay fears that I'm a mafia-aligned militant atheist. Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to say that now that a scum is dead, we can afford a mod lynch. :P
This strikes me as odd.

I have a feeling scum targeted me for their kill. So for scum to end up dead and me not, would indeed be very unexpected. Usually with killing scum you get more of "yay towns" and "goodonyas" rather than "unexpected shock".

Also, the underlined part read wrong to me, I thought the first two reads he was saying he was a mafia-aligned militant atheist. Usually, to be more clear in such things people would say something like "provide evidence that I am not mafia-aligned" the not making it clear. This way seems more...wishywashy.
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