Back with a more measured post.
Krong wrote:I find it rather interesting that really the only people you are suspicious of are people who've voted for you. Also, that this is your only defence against my feeling you were being dishonest in your arguments, even after I've given a specific example of how:
if town lies about anything, they are at fault for hurting the town in this situation.
It's the same idea as dethy, cops (town) should always claim the truth so that if (when) scum lies, it's easier to catch them. I'd be thrilled if two people claimed the same emotion, I'd love a 50/50 shot at lynching scum!
And I could quote half a dozen posts where you single out people demanding claims or else you'd lynch them.
This really rings true to me, and sums up a lot of what makes me feel really uncomfortable about Lataro.
Lataro wrote:Lets assume those two are both as claimed. That leaves us with Mavketl, rrwoods, and djkjr having unclaimed emotions at this time, and only sanguine and surprised, and djkjr's mystery emotion left between them. We can assume that djkjr did not receive his emotion sent. This means he is either sanguine or surprised. We can try and piece things together if and after he claims, but without that info, we are in the dark on what the other two could be. What if he did send in "scummy" or "evil" or "malicious" or something to that effect.
I really, really, really don't think that there is going to be such a simplistic connection between emotions and alignment. Perhaps it's a nice theory to toy with, but we should have all just nodded and said "that's a nice theory" then got on with discussing more useful strategies; or, indeed, any other town strategies. I do tend to prefer strategy talk on Day 1 since the kind of contributions you get will give you good clues later on when more becomes apparent. However, I am for now going to trust what other people have been saying about your meta, Lataro, even though I hate
playing by meta. And I mean hate. I'll be keeping my eye on you.
The arguments for an EP lynch are largely that they'll be no use come the end-game. This is true. It could also be true that, strategically, scum are unlikely to pick them off for us (as they could be a potential ally). It is also the case that they could be bluffing and have an SK role (to me, an indy survivor can often mean an SK). In effect, an EP lynch guarantees we won't hit town and also has a small chance of hitting an SK, so it is pretty sensible.Vote: Elvish Pillager
However, I think there is a pretty good case for keeping an eye on _infinia_, rrwoods, and Dr. Ug. They are people we should be keeping an eye on tomorrow. For sake of argument, I will keep my target this evening a secret.... but before I can be of any use in that category *clears throat*
rrwoods wrote:Wait, "modly wrath"? I have to re-read stuff all the time, but who said anything about "modly wrath"? Many apologies in advance if this is simple ignorance, but I honestly can't find anyone mentioning a mod penalty for mass-claiming. Or am I completely misunderstanding what you're saying there?
No, you're just blind and
stupid. Ever heard of the page back button? Ever tried using control+F in your browser? Come back when you actually know how to use a computer, you lazy half-wit. I've seen better investigative skills in an episode of Rugrats.
Dr Ug wrote:I just did a reread of the last few pages. I didn't get a chance to post yesterday, and thought I had already claimed the emotion I sent in (I was against a mass-received-emotion / animal claim rather than sent-in-emotions). I sent in Punctual.
I don't like E_P's arguments against lynching (?)her. It is not as useless as NL. It removes a potentially dangerous role, and also you could be lying about being independent, and actually be scum. But even if you're not, at LYLO, you will probably vote with the scum in order to get your win condition.
That being said, lataro has still not answered my questions, so my vote stays.
Didn't you even understand EP's vote restriction? They can't side with anyone, they just have to vote for whoever has the most votes. They don't get a damn choice in the matter. All they can do is jump on the bandwagon! They cannot be volitionally scum-allied, it will just have to happen that way. The best they could do is withhold their choice. Try re-reading the last few pages a bit harder next time, and actually think through what you're postulating. Also, the idea of scum trying to pass off as indy is damn stupid, especially on day 1. Frankly, EP was dumb to claim anyway, and they'd have been better off defending themselves later in the game if they wanted to live (that's why I think jester, by the way). You, sir, are a poor Doctor of anything, and are fit only to "ug" much like a cave-man.
Elvish Pillager wrote: Lataro hasn't listed the vote-restriction part of this claim in their claim list.
it is on there, just not in as much detail. I am quite happy, as several of you have guessed, but I really shouldn't have to say it.
My theory about the state of mind the animal is in having more to to with alignment than the animal chosen is because it would fit with the flavor. Why would the happy and content want to kill? It makes no sense. the bitter and other bad temperaments would most likely be scum. We could ask the mods about such a theory, but I bet it wouldn't get us anywhere.
My dear fellow, you really can't think of why someone happy would want to kill? Maybe you lack imagination, or maybe you're just covering up for yourself. Didn't you ever think of a happy tiger who was just so damn happy to see you that he accidentally your face off? Didn't you think of a townie who was bitter because they weren't part of the cool kids' mason group? Being town doesn't make you happy, and being scum doesn't make you unhappy. Saying that is just a way of justifying a damn pathetic lynch target later on, it's like you have an agenda or you're really really hoping to cover your own tracks and throw blame elsewhere. Think outside the box, man. In a closed set-up we're never going to get anywhere if you think based on pre-schooler stereotypes. C'mon, I've seen more imagination on a McDonald's menu.
Hopefully that'll do it.