[Micro] Lataro's PYP BASTARD NES - Game Over: weiyaoli wins!

[BoomFrog]

I couldn't possibly be accusing you of being the scum chatting?

No, I didn't realize what you were saying and I misinterpreted your accusation. That was my mistake and why my answer didn't address your accusation properly.

[webby]

On Boomfrog vs Gopher + weiyaoli - it is quite aggressive and semi-OMGUS from Boomfrog on Gopher, especially when it was weiyaoli and not Gopher who initially put suspicion on.

I'm just confused by this. How was it OMGUSy (at that time) for my "vote" on GoP when he had said nothing about me? Are you assuming that I assumed they are a team?

Yeah you're right, I think on my first read-through I assumed it was Gopher who was attacking you because you voted for him. Then I had another look and saw that it was actually weiyaoli who was suspicious of you. I neglected to removed the 'OMGUS' part of it.

[mpolo]

My townie vibe on Ibarra was essentially for his coming in to try to defuse the situation with you and Gopher. Of course that could be a subtle linking to one of you. In any case, I saw it as trying to calm down the spirits to prevent two townies (from his point of view) from going to town on one another. I guess that shows how weak the scum lean on you feels to me -- I saw somebody defending you as likely town.

Thinking this through explains to me why Gopher was negative on Ibarra, though.

[mpolo]

That'll teach me to post from memory -- I think I have somewhat conflated weiyaoli and Gopher in that post, so I am going to have to look back and correct myself later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Ibarra]

A complete repeating of what was already said. Although I agree that there's little more to be said about the mod's post I think there is much that could have been said about other people's reactions.

Conclusion: Possibly in a hurry but kinda scummy.

I was merely stating my opinion on the "leaked" message. I did not completely repeat what you said - I added my own thoughts about it.
Could you also tell me what do you mean by "Possibly in a hurry but kinda scummy"? It's kind of vague.

[BoomFrog]

So you did consider that it might be false and weighed the possibilities but then completely forgot to mention it in your new post? Not even, "I think this is real." That seems implausible.

Yes I did forget to mention "I think this is real" the second time, but since I included this originally tacked on at the end since I was just listing the things I had from memory:

Also fits with our estimate of 2 scum ("Hey Comrade").

I think it was clear that this was what I meant.

Wait, I think we've managed to miscommunicate yet again. (three times now by my count) When I said your "second post" I meant that the first post was the one that was lost to the aether. the "second one" was this one.

Note for those watching this back and forth, I don't consider this miscommunication a scum indication.

[BoomFrog]

A complete repeating of what was already said. Although I agree that there's little more to be said about the mod's post I think there is much that could have been said about other people's reactions.

Conclusion: Possibly in a hurry but kinda scummy.

I was merely stating my opinion on the "leaked" message. I did not completely repeat what you said - I added my own thoughts about it.
Could you also tell me what do you mean by "Possibly in a hurry but kinda scummy"? It's kind of vague.

Everything you'd said was said by someone else before you in the thread, not necessarily by me. Which line was, "your own thoughts?" I think you are more likely to be scum then town, but I'm not getting a very scummy vibe from your post, because it seems to have been made by someone without a lot of time to make their post and so is just "a few quick responses." So my impression was "possibly in a hurry or possibly scummy."

[BoomFrog]

EBWOP: I meant more likely to be scum then average. I'm not saying that it's more then 50% chance that your scum.

[more_people]

Hey guys, sorry for lurking, I haven't had any internet access for the past two days.

Anyway, I received a PM from someone revealing another players alignment so did anyone else get one? I don't want to reveal who that player is in case the message is false.

[Lataro]

New rule: You get a single prod the entire game, fail to post in a timely manner (a post every 48 hours or so, working out to on average less than three posts per game day, FAR more than reasonable for a minimum) there will be no prod, only a modkill.

Deadline in a bit sooner than two days.

Votals:

Boomfrog - 1 - (GoP)

Seven alive, four to lynch.

[webby]

Hey guys, sorry for lurking, I haven't had any internet access for the past two days.

Anyway, I received a PM from someone revealing another players alignment so did anyone else get one? I don't want to reveal who that player is in case the message is false.

No I didn't? Do you want to post it here? You could blank out the name and any other details?

[more_people]

Hey guys, sorry for lurking, I haven't had any internet access for the past two days.

Anyway, I received a PM from someone revealing another players alignment so did anyone else get one? I don't want to reveal who that player is in case the message is false.

No I didn't? Do you want to post it here? You could blank out the name and any other details?

I don't think I can post a PM involving this game in thread. Here's the PM:

[BLANK] is Metroid, scum. Do not trust them. B.

[BoomFrog]

I also did not receive a pm. Did you get it directly or from the mod?

[BoomFrog]

Signed "B"? Sounds like more wine. I did not send that.

[more_people]

I didn't post the entire message, just what the person that the message was from said.

[webby]

Ok, how about you post the entire message and tell us who sent it to you? Unless you have reason to believe that the sender is town. Again, you don't have to post the name of the proposed scum, but I don't see any reason not to - it's not the type of thing we'd trust anyway.

[Gopher of Pern]

Hey guys, sorry for lurking, I haven't had any internet access for the past two days.

Anyway, I received a PM from someone revealing another players alignment so did anyone else get one? I don't want to reveal who that player is in case the message is false.

No I didn't? Do you want to post it here? You could blank out the name and any other details?

Why would you need to have the pm posted, but without any details that actually mean anything? It just seems unnecessary, unless you have sent the message, or you may want to send one in the future.

[webby]

Hey guys, sorry for lurking, I haven't had any internet access for the past two days.

Anyway, I received a PM from someone revealing another players alignment so did anyone else get one? I don't want to reveal who that player is in case the message is false.

No I didn't? Do you want to post it here? You could blank out the name and any other details?

Why would you need to have the pm posted, but without any details that actually mean anything? It just seems unnecessary, unless you have sent the message, or you may want to send one in the future.

It could give us information about who it came from, or why it was sent. By 'any other details', I meant 'any other details identifying the person the message said was scum'. Personally I think it would be a good idea for more_people to post the entire message, but he seemed reluctant to do so.

[webby]

Ok, so I was waiting to see whether more_people was going to be modkilled before doing this, but given we have only a day until deadline:

Just realised more_people avoided modkill by about half an hour. That's cutting it fine.

more_people:

Spoiler:

Short post making generic comments, says he got a PM revealing another player's alignment, posts part of PM in thread.

Typical of more_people in that he's very absent. I think it's odd that it was more_people who was sent a PM, he looked like he was going to get modkilled. Not sure what incentive he would have to make it up though? I always think more_people is scum. So I'm just going to say 'insufficient information' for now.

Gopher of Pern:

Spoiler:

Starts the conversation with some speculation on what games people chose, suggests that normal setup is unlikely.
Disagrees that the mod's reaction to a game would decide whether town or scum.
Makes a few logical leaps in response to the supposed anonymous scum PM. Seems not to consider the possibility it doesn't come from scum. - I don't think this is particularly scummy, but it is a bit odd/not thought through.
Says the possibility that it came from the mod didn't occur to him.
Votes for Boomfrog, and is suspicious of mpolo. I don't think the vote on Boomfrog is unjustified (and it's possible I'll end up voting that way too), but I haven't seen mpolo doing anything suspicious?
Asks me question about my response to more_people - I think it's a fair question, because I didn't express myself as clearly as I could have.

Overall, some odd things in there, but plenty of good content as well to balance it out. Neutral.

Ibarra:

Spoiler:

First post that posits a far too vanilla style game than could be expected. Not sure what to make of that.
Doesn't think claiming game names would be useful.
Apologises for lurking (I may have been a bit harsh on him, didn't realise it was only a little more than a day since his previous post).
Parrots other people's stuff about the 'leaked' message with a little bit of original content. Looks rushed more than scummy.
A short post disputing Boomfrog's analysis.

Very slightly scummy, but not very much to go on - more lurky than anything.

mpolo:

Spoiler:

Reasonable set-up analysis.
Suggestion that scum/town of game depends on mod's reaction to it and that roles seem to be linked to games. Uses his own role as justification for this.
Reacts to the supposed PM a bit later than others, suggesting that Boomfrog's reaction is 'overly agitated'. Says there's no need to hurry to find a lynch. Suspicious about a comment Boomfrog makes about needing to lynch. All seems ok and well-justified to me.
Order of scum to town is Boomfrog-Gopher-weiyaoli-Ibarra. No idea why Ibarra is so low.
Says a framing of Boomfrog is possible.
Says that Ibarra seemed townie for defusing Gopher vs Boomfrog. I don't really get that logic, and I don't think Ibarra's post reads that way.

Not without faults, but reasonably townie at the moment.

weiyaoli

Spoiler:

Little bit of flavour-spec.
Doesn't support everyone claiming. Reasonable stuff so far.
Suggests message might have come from Boomfrog, but also brings up the mod theory.
Asks why so certain it came from the mod, doesn't think scum daychat is far-fetched, but agrees it's more likely to have come from mod/player with flavour.

Actually not as scummy as I thought he was initially. Reading back over the discussion with Boomfrog, he came out of it ok. Neutral to slightly townie.

Boomfrog

Spoiler:

Epic fail on rule 2.
Massive overreaction to weiyaoli and Gopher. Odd that he voted Gopher rather than weiyaoli.
Says that if we don't lynch, the scum wins. I don't think this is suspicious as mpolo does, it seemed more a generic statement.
Says that it's better for scum if we don't have a rushed deadline lynch. Seems reasonable.
Analysis is consistent with what he had previously said, but I obviously don't agree with all of it.
Justifies acting differently to previous games based on it being a bastard game. I get this, but I don't think it completely explains things. It wasn't that he was being 'silly', it was that he was overreacting to being accused.

Has looked a bit more reasonable recently, but I still think the overreaction to weiyaoli and Gopher is the most suspicious thing anyone's done so far.

So that means, from scum to town:
1. Boomfrog
2. Ibarra
3. more_people
4. Gopher of Pern
5. weiyaoli
6. mpolo

I'll be online a bit more tonight and tomorrow, so no need for me to vote yet. I still want to see more people's (and more_people's) reactions to the PM. I'm still not ruling out the possibility more_people made it up, it just seems odd.

[Ibarra]

If m_p's PM is true then it kind of supports the anonymous message posted by the mod.
Both mention Metroid, both say that Metroid is scum.

m_p: Did the mod send you that PM?

[BoomFrog]

Webby, my overreaction to the pm is only scummy if its real (and from/to me). Amusingly the reason I felt comfortable making flimsy accusations to stir up conversation is that I didn't take the FoS seriously. Oops.

Anyway if Webby thinks I'm scum then I don't know what else to say. He's the most reasonable and townie person here. So I'm going to make by claim. I didn't want to do this because it would have been nice to absorb a kill for town.

I have an extra life. The first time I die, I don't. Which means that lynching me will not get a flip and thus no info for vote analysis. Even if I'm scum the best strategy is to lynch me last. Hopefully scum decide to test my claim the hard way.

[BoomFrog]

By last I mean after a reasonable number of scum have been found like 1 or 2. Hopefully by then I'll have proved my towniness.

[Lataro]

As they all milled around, they seemed to notice something. A music was playing, in fact, it had been the whole time, only now, it was getting faster and faster. They all felt so rushed, it felt like the end was near.

Time has sped up to the point where a second is 6/10th of what it used to be. Deadline is now 10 AM EST Friday. I likely won't be around at deadline, so do refrain from posting once it's past.

Votals:

BF - 1- (GoP)

[weiyaoli]

I think m_p should post the rest of the message.

Even if I'm scum the best strategy is to lynch me last. Hopefully scum decide to test my claim the hard way.

No it isn't. If you have a one shot lynch/kill immunity, if we suspect you of being scum we should lynch you right away until it sticks. Yes, we lose the flip data, but it's more important to make sure that we don't have to deal with this ability later on at more critical points.

By last I mean after a reasonable number of scum have been found like 1 or 2. Hopefully by then I'll have proved my towniness.

When we're working with there being two scum... if that was a correct estimate, even after we find the lower of your estimates it might be too late to deal with your lynch immunity if you are scum.

Vote: BoomFrog

[mpolo]

I just hear the Super Mario music running at breakneck speed now.

Sorry. I was out of the house all of today. We have had some analyses and some actual content, so maybe I can get something more in before deadline, though it's really too late for that tonight. (Caveat: one of our teachers has fallen off the face of the earth and I am having to cover extra classes suddenly. I should be able to get on, but will have less time than usual on some days, including Fridays.)

[mpolo]

I've received nothing beyond my initial Role PM in this game.

[more_people]

m_p: Did the mod send you that PM?

Yeah, the whole message, including who [BLANK] is, said:

You got back home to find a note on your desk which reads

webby is Metroid, scum. Do not trust them. B.

[webby]

Well I'm not metroid and I'm not scum... I can claim my game if people really see the need for me to, but I'd prefer to just ignore it. Would that sort of message have come from the mod? It seems a little less likely than the last one.

Boomfrog's game claim is believable, but I'm not sure whether it makes him more likely to be scum or town. We certainly don't want to risk scum being around that will take two votes to kill in the endgame, so I think we have to test his claim, and given that I've thought he's the most scummy anyway:

Vote: Boomfrog

[Ibarra]

Well, judging from the flavor (found in desk) the note could be :
1) Someone who can give out anonymous messages
2) Faked by m_p
3) The mod trolling misleading us

I think that the note is a red herring though.

BoomFrog's claim is odd. Usually those with lynch immunity/ kill immunity are not townies at all. They're more likely to be mafia/independent.
Vote: BoomFrog

[Ibarra]

EBWOP:
Crap ninja'd by webby. And my vote was the hammer.

[Lataro]

That's a lynch folks!

As time was speeding up, so was the mind of the gathered heroes. They decided that one among them didn't quite sit right. They collectively entered some codes in The Great Game Genie, their only hope in defeating this new evil spreading everywhere, and edited Boomfrog's HP to zero, causing his death. As the code was entered though, darkness swept over the land, and the gathered heroes were knocked unconscious.

BoomFrog has been lynched. Role reveal in the morning.

Since daychat is being used, I'd like night to be really short here, get those actions in ASAP folks.

[more_people]

Oh Mod, I humbly request your guidence, for I will most likely not be on for the next few days but I would like to continue to play.

[Lataro]

I sent m_p a PM shortly after that last message was posted, it goes unread thus far, I am willing to give him til 11PM EST Monday (~82 hours from now, about 96 from the time of his request) to make a game relevant post.

As the forces of darkness gave the heroes reprieve, they rushed to The Great Game Genie, eager to learn the results of their collective effort. What they found was a corpse that looked like a puddle of ooze. The Great Game Genie then informed them what it had learned upon examination of the corpse.


"His alias was BoomFrog, his true identity however was A Boy and His Blob: Trouble on Blobolonia. He was an indie re-director. Any action taken against him would be automatically re-targeted to the person who used the action, with him being fully informed of the action taken, no limit to how many actions this could effect."

Meanwhile, elsewhere in Videoland, nefarious powers were plotting the downfall of our heroes. They spent a great deal of time considering their next move, and when they were ready, they pushed forward and assassinated their target...


The letter "m" has been killed, it was a letter.

New Rule: Talk amongst yourselves as you like, but fair warning, any use of the letter "m" (outside a vote statement) will result in swift and unyielding punishment. Use extreme caution.

Day 2 starts now, Deadline is next Friday, ~2PM EST.

Six alive, four the lynch.

[weiyaoli]

I have co_e into so_e interesting infor_ation. I tracked webby last night and received this:

He targeted GoP with a "Reactive NK"

FoS: webby

[mpolo]

I get a (possibly different) power each night. Last night, I received an investigation, which I used on webby. He appears to be town according to the result that I received.

Actually, a "reactive nightkill" sounds like the powerful and friendly Lataro's favorite power, the Paranoid Gun Owner. And such a role is usually town, so that webby could possibly be doubly indicated as a townie.

In other news, I find few tears for the death of a near-invincible independent. It would have been better to have lynched a bad guy, but this will do. Today we need to get it right, though.

[Gopher of Pern]

Was it gang on Webby night? Obviously, I targeted Webby last night as well. Luckily, I am NK innnune, otherwise one of you guys would have taken the bullet. But yes, I agree that Webby is town.

Which leaves Ibarra at the top of my scunn list. For the hannner on Boonnfrog.

[webby]

If npolo was right about ny role, it would suggest that weiyaoli is telling the truth about having sone sort of tracking role, because there's no way he could have known otherwise. I guess this nakes hin nore likely to be town, although it's not out of the question for a scun role.

Not sure what to nake of GoP's innunity clain. What are you saying, that nobody can ever kill you except by lynching?

So yeah, I think it's nost likely that the scun are in the group (Ibarra, GoP, nore_people).

On an unrelated note, everyone who has posted up until now today has broken the rules because of the thread title. Fixed now.

[Ibarra]

Incidentally, Ϻy haϺϺer on BooϺFrog was accidental. I thought Ϻy vote would place hiϺ at 3 votes. I should preview before subϺitting next tiϺe...

So basically we had the following claiϺs froϺ the players:
1) weiyaoli - Tracker - targeted webby
2) Ϻpolo - SoϺeone who can switch abilities - got an investigation first - used on webby
3) GoP - SoϺeone who can target soϺeone else - targeted webby
4) webby - Reactive NK (PGO Ϻaybe?) - targeted GoP

Incidentally, That's not the banned letter, it's San (Ϻ) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_(letter) [Cannot post links ]

[mpolo]

So we have a fairly certain idea about webby's ethical standing -- that is, town.

Tracker abilities are usually town.

No night kill is also typically town (where no lynch is a dark side power), though this is less certain.

Which leads to the guess that either chocolate (Ibarra) or the plurality of people (you translate, I don't want to) would be a bad person.

[Ibarra]

Which leads to the guess that either chocolate (Ibarra) or the plurality of people (you translate, I don't want to) would be a bad person.

I'Ϻ can't understand what you are saying >.>