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1913: "A �"

Postby TV4Fun » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:15 pm UTC

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Title text: If you want in on the fun, map a key on your keyboard to the sequence U+0041 U+0020 U+FFFD (or U+0021 U+0020 U+FFFD for the exclamation point version), and then no update can never take this away from you.

Apple has patented the lower case letter i. This is just their way of discouraging people from using it.

(Speaking of autocorrect issues, when typing the last sentence, for some reason my Android phone autocorrected letter to letters.)
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Postby Ranbot » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:37 pm UTC

kik! :lol:

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby somitomi » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:19 pm UTC

Help, the title doesn't display properly for me.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Reka » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:21 pm UTC

The title is supposed to have the question-mark-in-a-box "unknown" character in it. If that's what you're seeing, it's actually correct.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby yakkoTDI » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:31 pm UTC

Reka wrote:The title is supposed to have the question-mark-in-a-box "unknown" character in it. If that's what you're seeing, it's actually correct.


I think we can mark this down as a successful troll. :D

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Keyman » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:10 pm UTC

Probably why it took so long for somebody to start the thread.

Do we know if that counts as just one character, or two, or three, in the newly expanded #280 Twitter-verse?
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Solra Bizna » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:01 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:Do we know if that counts as just one character, or two, or three, in the newly expanded #280 Twitter-verse?


IIRC, Twitter counts either Unicode code points or UTF-16 code units. Either way, � is one "character".

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby gd1 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:35 am UTC

Initially, I thought it was related to this one:
https://xkcd.com/1888/

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Re: 1913: "A �"

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BHG could pull this off.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby chridd » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:40 am UTC

Solra Bizna wrote:
Keyman wrote:Do we know if that counts as just one character, or two, or three, in the newly expanded #280 Twitter-verse?


IIRC, Twitter counts either Unicode code points or UTF-16 code units. Either way, � is one "character".
Not anymore, since switching to 280 characters (yesterday, but a random subset of users had it a while before that). Everything up to U+1100 is one character, and almost everything else is two. (Or everything up to U+1100 counts as half a character, and almost everything else as one.) (It's not based on any encoding.)

U+FFFD counts as two characters.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:49 am UTC

Could someone please explain this to an Android user?
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby da Doctah » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:37 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Could someone please explain this to an Android user?


Sure. "iPhone is fscked".

Anything else?

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:52 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Could someone please explain this to an Android user?


Sure. "iPhone is fscked".

Anything else?

That's not very specific.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby herbstschweigen » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:25 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Could someone please explain this to an Android user?

Thanks, I thought I was the only one. Explainxkcd is your friend, as always. http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1913

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Envelope Generator » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:41 pm UTC

A colored item? With a shadow? Is there a new Randall again?
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby petz » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:37 pm UTC

I just entered � into Google search and autocomplete suggested "thewheelsonthebus". WTF‽

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby flicky1991 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:40 pm UTC

petz wrote:I just entered � into Google search and autocomplete suggested "thewheelsonthebus". WTF‽
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Rombobjörn » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:48 pm UTC

The question mark seems to call for something to be inserted.

"A dishwasher took out the trash but the dishwasher still needs to be run."

"A velociraptor took out the trash ..."

"A questionable guy called Mark who lives in a box took out the trash ..."

"A sniper took out the trash ..."

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby somitomi » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:05 pm UTC

yakkoTDI wrote:
Reka wrote:The title is supposed to have the question-mark-in-a-box "unknown" character in it. If that's what you're seeing, it's actually correct.


I think we can mark this down as a successful troll. :D

It was a joke indeed. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby speising » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:42 pm UTC

flicky1991 wrote:
petz wrote:I just entered � into Google search and autocomplete suggested "thewheelsonthebus". WTF‽
Same.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby commodorejohn » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:54 pm UTC

One would be a fool to let a � get away without retrieving the coin or powerup from it first.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:57 pm UTC

Solra Bizna wrote:
Keyman wrote:Do we know if that counts as just one character, or two, or three, in the newly expanded #280 Twitter-verse?


IIRC, Twitter counts either Unicode code points or UTF-16 code units. Either way, � is one "character".
It's two, as verified by checking Twitter just now.

(That new fucking circle bullshit goes away when you get to 20 or fewer characters remaining, when it goes back to just telling you how many you've got left.)
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Solra Bizna » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:13 pm UTC

chridd wrote:Everything up to U+1100 is one character, and almost everything else is two. (Or everything up to U+1100 counts as half a character, and almost everything else as one.) (It's not based on any encoding.)

U+FFFD counts as two characters.

Well, I learned something new today.

That just leaves one question in my mind. ...Why?!

Is it so that non-ideographic-script-users need no longer look over at ideographic-script-users with jealousy and rage? Because merely doubling the character count barely gets them up to the information density of a Japanese elementary schooler... tripling it would be required to approach that of a Chinese citizen. At least they also managed to include Arabic, Cyrillic, Devanagari, Greek and Hebrew* in the great doubling instead of being unintentionally Latin-centric...

Maybe this is one of those things I'm just too old to understand.

*These are just the likely victims I could remember off the top of my head; the set of widely-used scripts that are frequently screwed up by Western programmers is bigger than that.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:11 am UTC

petz wrote:I just entered � into Google search and autocomplete suggested "thewheelsonthebus". WTF‽

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There's been some Macdonalds billboard-posters featuring generic-looking Search Engine front page with a couple of letters filled in ("bi", in the first case) and a couple of autocomplete answers ("bigmac" and another word I forget). Seemed risque, to me, given the words that could have started "bi…" on an actual real Search Engine use.

(For the record, top answers for me are various phrases starting with "bike" or "bicycle".)

A second, different version of the McD's advert has been put up now (I think it's "mi(lkshake)" + "mi(something else)"?), and now expect a third incarnation to go up at some point, at least.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

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Soupspoon wrote:There's been some Macdonalds billboard-posters featuring generic-looking Search Engine front page with a couple of letters filled in ("bi", in the first case) and a couple of autocomplete answers ("bigmac" and another word I forget). Seemed risque, to me, given the words that could have started "bi…" on an actual real Search Engine use.

(For the record, top answers for me are various phrases starting with "bike" or "bicycle".)


I get variations on "binsearch", "bitcoin" and "bing". Only one of those bears a relationship to something I've actually searched on.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby qvxb » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 am UTC

I bet the SVR agent reading this thread has suffered terminal boredom.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:14 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:There's been some Macdonalds billboard-posters featuring generic-looking Search Engine front page with a couple of letters filled in ("bi", in the first case) and a couple of autocomplete answers ("bigmac" and another word I forget). Seemed risque, to me, given the words that could have started "bi…" on an actual real Search Engine use.

(For the record, top answers for me are various phrases starting with "bike" or "bicycle".)

A second, different version of the McD's advert has been put up now (I think it's "mi(lkshake)" + "mi(something else)"?), and now expect a third incarnation to go up at some point, at least.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Yu_p » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:19 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:There's been some Macdonalds billboard-posters featuring generic-looking Search Engine front page with a couple of letters filled in ("bi", in the first case) and a couple of autocomplete answers ("bigmac" and another word I forget). Seemed risque, to me, given the words that could have started "bi…" on an actual real Search Engine use.

(For the record, top answers for me are various phrases starting with "bike" or "bicycle".)


I get variations on "binsearch", "bitcoin" and "bing". Only one of those bears a relationship to something I've actually searched on.


I get (bi)tcoin and „(bi)gg boss vote“, which makes no sense, since I am from Austria, currently in Austria, never have been even close to India and Bigg Boss is an Indian show. The only other thing I get is „biblatex autocite“ as a search-history entry. And now after googling „Bigg Boss“ that is all I get, in various variations :(

Seems autocomplete isn‘t one of Google‘s most polished features.

On Bing I get „bild“ and „bild.de“ as the first suggestions which I honestly find kind of insulting.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

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Yu_p wrote:
da Doctah wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:There's been some Macdonalds billboard-posters featuring generic-looking Search Engine front page with a couple of letters filled in ("bi", in the first case) and a couple of autocomplete answers ("bigmac" and another word I forget). Seemed risque, to me, given the words that could have started "bi…" on an actual real Search Engine use.

(For the record, top answers for me are various phrases starting with "bike" or "bicycle".)


I get variations on "binsearch", "bitcoin" and "bing". Only one of those bears a relationship to something I've actually searched on.


I get (bi)tcoin and „(bi)gg boss vote“, which makes no sense, since I am from Austria, currently in Austria, never have been even close to India and Bigg Boss is an Indian show. The only other thing I get is „biblatex autocite“ as a search-history entry. And now after googling „Bigg Boss“ that is all I get, in various variations :(

Seems autocomplete isn‘t one of Google‘s most polished features.

On Bing I get „bild“ and „bild.de“ as the first suggestions which I honestly find kind of insulting.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Eebster the Great » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:05 am UTC

Why do people Google "Bing"? Is this like people typing "google.com" into Google to get to Google?

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby svenman » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:24 am UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:Why do people Google "Bing"? Is this like people typing "google.com" into Google to get to Google?

There are computer courses where people get taught to type the address of any website they want to look up into Google and then click on the first search result that isn't an advertisement. I know, because my parents (who were in their sixties at the time) have been to one of those courses.

I can't even fault the method because at that level of computer/Internet proficiency, it is a pretty useful way to correct both for typing errors and for at least some misunderstandings where something that's not a URL is mistaken for a "website address". If people end up sometimes typing "google.com" into Google as a result, it may be an unnecessary step but it gets the job done in the end anyway.That's not a thing teachers worry about at the level where being able to use computers and the Internet at all is already an achievement for their students.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Eebster the Great » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:09 am UTC

It's not about being unable to effectively find something, it's about being unable to realize that you're already there.

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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby svenman » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:00 am UTC

Sure, Googling Google is at a level of understanding what goes on in and behind the computer that is so shallow that it stops at the patterns of coloured lights that appear on the screen. There are people in the world who are like that and who are fine with being like that.

Googling Bing is not quite the same, that's like googling the URL of any other website that isn't Google. (I'm assuming here that anyone who goes to Bing wants to use Bing specifically and not any other search engine.)

So I type a URL directly into my browser's address bar (and I presume so do you), because I feel confident in my ability to not make typos and to recognize what is and isn't a URL and in my understanding of how URLs work. But a lot of people who do it differently do so because they have been taught a different method (or figured it out by themselves) and feel comfortable with it and I have no problem with that because it works.

I do get somewhat annoyed though when they panic at seeing me type a URL directly into the address bar because they worry something bad will happen and I am going to break the Internet or suchlike. No, I won't, Mom.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby Eebster the Great » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:05 pm UTC

Googling Bing isn't weird because that's a bad way to get to Bing, though. That is a perfectly reasonable way to get to Bing. It's just weird that you would first go to Google in order to get to Bing, instead of first going to Bing. Presumably, these are people who have Google as their homepage but who prefer the Bing search engine, in which case whoever helps them with their computer should really change the homepage. Also, if they know enough about search engines to choose one over the other, it's weird that they wouldn't just do it themselves.

(It's also weird that they would choose Bing.)

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Eebster the Great wrote:(It's also weird that they would choose Bing.)
Is it though? Why haven't you chosen duckduckgo?

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Postby commodorejohn » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:53 pm UTC

svenman wrote:There are computer courses where people get taught to type the address of any website they want to look up into Google and then click on the first search result that isn't an advertisement. I know, because my parents (who were in their sixties at the time) have been to one of those courses.

As someone who regularly has to go through several iterations of "okay, did you type that into the URL field, or the search field?" on support calls I would like to fire these people into the Sun.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby svenman » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:54 pm UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:Googling Bing isn't weird because that's a bad way to get to Bing, though. That is a perfectly reasonable way to get to Bing. It's just weird that you would first go to Google in order to get to Bing, instead of first going to Bing. Presumably, these are people who have Google as their homepage but who prefer the Bing search engine, in which case whoever helps them with their computer should really change the homepage. Also, if they know enough about search engines to choose one over the other, it's weird that they wouldn't just do it themselves.

Oh, I agree completely. But there are scenarios where people aren't free to change their home page or where it doesn't make sense: sharing a computer with other users, using someone else's or a public computer, some work situations.

commodorejohn wrote:As someone who regularly has to go through several iterations of "okay, did you type that into the URL field, or the search field?" on support calls I would like to fire these people into the Sun.

I understand where you're coming from and can totally sympathise.
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:39 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:As someone who regularly has to go through several iterations of "okay, did you type that into the URL field, or the search field?" on support calls I would like to fire these people into the Sun.
Unfortunately, the URL field and the search field are trying to become the same thing these days.
For example the recent versions of firefox
it has an address bar and a search bar next to each other.

I type whatever I want into the search bar.
my favorite search engine will search for it.
nice.

I type an url into the address bar.
the browser goes to that address.
also nice.

But now I type something that is not an url into the address bar.
like some words or whatever.
and for some reason it does a search?
but
why?

it's an address bar. not a search bar.
the search bar is right next to it.
If I wanted to search for it I would have used the search bar. that's what it's for, after all.

Ok, i understand why some wolud prefer this kind of behavior.
why they would like to have one thing for everything.
i'm not such a one.
I won't want this.

It's nice to have such a possibility but even better if I turn it off.
but I can't.
there is no such option.

Ok, there is one in the about:config.
but to find the solution you have to search for it (!)

why are you ding this, firefox, why?
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Re: 1913: "A �"

Postby rmsgrey » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:16 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:But now I type something that is not an url into the address bar.
like some words or whatever.
and for some reason it does a search?
but
why?

it's an address bar. not a search bar.
the search bar is right next to it.
If I wanted to search for it I would have used the search bar. that's what it's for, after all.

Ok, i understand why some wolud prefer this kind of behavior.
why they would like to have one thing for everything.
i'm not such a one.
I won't want this.


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