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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:45 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Prediction update:
Intervals in the OTC do seem to be roughly 5 minutes.
The moon will appear about halfway across the frame in about 5 newpix.
The moon's phase will be 0.25
They are in central america. Probably Mexico.

Again, if your time of 9:30am UTC is correct, they have to be somewhere around the Solomon Islands or Papua New Guinea to be seeing the sunset.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angua » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:45 pm UTC

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Angua wrote:Why haven't they built a fire to keep the wildlife away? Or, at the very least, make it easier to see should something come at them?

A fire doesn't always help you seeing in the dark. If you sit down staring into the fire and turn around to see a meowlpy in the bushes at night you will probably fail. Your eyes will be adjusted to the fire, due to dilation and light bleaching of the rod cells (rod cells function well in the dark, but shut down in light). For most people it takes about 20 minutes for the rods to "wake up". Dilation takes a second but it's just not enough by far.
The meowlpy however will have eyes that are adjusted to the dark. It won't be blinded by the fire because dilation is fast enough to prevent that. It can see you easily and it will have approximately 20 minutes in which you can't see.
If you do not have the self control to sit to with your back to the fire a fire can be dangerous.


How does dilatation stop being blinded by a fire? Surely bleaching would occur of the cells either way? A fire might not make it easier to see something fast pouncing at you, but it would be good for things like snakes which can come up more slowly. Without the fire you have even less light to see around you. The primary function of a fire in any case would be keeping things away.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:46 pm UTC

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program, "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star, How I Wonder in What Hemisphere You Are," to remind all Waiters to stop and enjoy the beauty and awefulsomeness of the scene.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:47 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:However the equator in November will give close to the correct orientation of the stars and the angle of the sun's decent.

Equator is good. Equator is very very good.

Mexico? Problematic. Unless baobabs decided that Mexico was a 3 place to live, and moved there.

Africa would be a great place to see the eclipse this November. :wink:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:48 pm UTC

Angua wrote:How does dilatation stop being blinded by a fire? Surely bleaching would occur of the cells either way? A fire might not make it easier to see something fast pouncing at you, but it would be good for things like snakes which can come up more slowly. Without the fire you have even less light to see around you. The primary function of a fire in any case would be keeping things away.

Though a human-stalking molpy may have learned to associate fire with prey
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:48 pm UTC

jovialbard wrote:I suspect we are in Africa, north of the equator. Kieryn, have you tried putting the perspective somewhere around the same latitude in Africa? Did you get some inconsistency?


The thing with putting it in africa, is that it makes it more likely that the moon should be in frame already. If the moon appears in the next couple of frames I would say probably western Sahara (which would explain the dunes).

If we don't see a moon, then... well it means Randall missed it1 or our year is wrong and it might be 2005 or 2021.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:49 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:50 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
jovialbard wrote:I suspect we are in Africa, north of the equator. Kieryn, have you tried putting the perspective somewhere around the same latitude in Africa? Did you get some inconsistency?


The thing with putting it in africa, is that it makes it more likely that the moon should be in frame already. If the moon appears in the next couple of frames I would say probably western Sahara (which would explain the dunes).

If we don't see a moon, then... well it means Randall missed it or our year is wrong and it might be 2005 or 2021.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:51 pm UTC

thirds wrote:Again, if your time of 9:30am UTC is correct, they have to be somewhere around the Solomon Islands or Papua New Guinea to be seeing the sunset.


The SunCalc app I found confirms this.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:53 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:BlitzGirl, do you sleep in 3-hour increments?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angua » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:53 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Kieryn wrote:However the equator in November will give close to the correct orientation of the stars and the angle of the sun's decent.

Equator is good. Equator is very very good.

Mexico? Problematic. Unless baobabs decided that Mexico was a 3 place to live, and moved there.

Africa would be a great place to see the eclipse this November. :wink:

ETA: Oh, look at that.
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I can show you a baobab in the Caribbean, there might be some in Mexico.

I still think this is a post-apocalyptic world so imported trees to Mexico could have got quite mature.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:54 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
thirds wrote:Again, if your time of 9:30am UTC is correct, they have to be somewhere around the Solomon Islands or Papua New Guinea to be seeing the sunset.


The SunCalc app I found confirms this.


I think the apparent lack of moon rules out the eastern hemisphere. We're looking at west africa if the moon appears in the next frame or two (about 1/3 from the left) or central america if it appears in about 5 or more frames (around the center of the frame).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lgw » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:54 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Prediction update:
Intervals in the OTC do seem to be roughly 5 minutes.
The moon will appear about halfway across the frame in about 5 newpix.
The moon's phase will be 0.25
They are in central america. Probably Mexico.


How is it you can deduce longitude from the moon?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:55 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:I think the apparent lack of moon rules out the eastern hemisphere. We're looking at west africa if the moon appears in the next frame or two (about 1/3 from the left) or central america if it appears in about 5 or more frames (around the center of the frame).

West Africa would suit me just fine. Come on, moon!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby 42isall » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:55 pm UTC

What if this entire thing was really just an incredibly elaborate game of GeoGuessr?
http://xkcd.com/1214/

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Postby GerardE » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:55 pm UTC

I wonder while the stars are twinkling what Cueball is fetching from their bag. Extra blanket? Is it cooling down?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:57 pm UTC

The moon also might be up and to the east, couldn't it?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:57 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:I think the apparent lack of moon rules out the eastern hemisphere. We're looking at west africa if the moon appears in the next frame or two (about 1/3 from the left) or central america if it appears in about 5 or more frames (around the center of the frame).
But look at the SunCalc graphic. Your date and more especially time must be wrong in this case. To see the sun set at around 9.30am UTC they have to be some way east of Greenwich. Unless of course this is Cassini.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:57 pm UTC

42isall wrote:What if this entire thing was really just an incredibly elaborate game of GeoGuessr?
http://xkcd.com/1214/

I wouldn't be surprised. With a bit of http://xkcd.com/1169/ thrown in.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:58 pm UTC

GerardE wrote:I wonder while the stars are twinkling what Cueball is fetching from their bag. Extra blanket? Is it cooling down?


Wow, all this time I was so focused on the stars that I didn't even notice Cueball had moved!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:00 pm UTC

lgw wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Prediction update:
Intervals in the OTC do seem to be roughly 5 minutes.
The moon will appear about halfway across the frame in about 5 newpix.
The moon's phase will be 0.25
They are in central america. Probably Mexico.


How is it you can deduce longitude from the moon?


I'll leave that for someone who'll get the details right, but
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:02 pm UTC

No Moong yet:

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ETA: At the Time this ONG was originally posted, the anomaly star was present, and the frame looked like this:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby StratPlayer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:02 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:
GerardE wrote:I wonder while the stars are twinkling what Cueball is fetching from their bag. Extra blanket? Is it cooling down?


Wow, all this time I was so focused on the stars that I didn't even notice Cueball had moved!


I think he's starting to nod off...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:03 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
Kieryn wrote:I think the apparent lack of moon rules out the eastern hemisphere. We're looking at west africa if the moon appears in the next frame or two (about 1/3 from the left) or central america if it appears in about 5 or more frames (around the center of the frame).
But look at the SunCalc graphic. Your date and more especially time must be wrong in this case. To see the sun set at around 9.30am UTC they have to be some way east of Greenwich. Unless of course this is Cassini.


Here's an image of the solar terminator at 9.30 am UTC on Nov 7, 2013:

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They would have to be somewhere on that right-hand line, wouldn't they?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:05 pm UTC

I think it's more likely we have the wrong Time. Where did "9:30 UTC" come from?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Montov » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:07 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
thirds wrote:Again, if your time of 9:30am UTC is correct, they have to be somewhere around the Solomon Islands or Papua New Guinea to be seeing the sunset.


The SunCalc app I found confirms this.


What about a (former) French island, given LaPetite?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:08 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:I think it's more likely we have the wrong Time. Where did "9:30 UTC" come from?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:08 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:ETA: Oh, look at that.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:10 pm UTC

lgw wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Prediction update:
Intervals in the OTC do seem to be roughly 5 minutes.
The moon will appear about halfway across the frame in about 5 newpix.
The moon's phase will be 0.25
They are in central america. Probably Mexico.


How is it you can deduce longitude from the moon?


Because the position of the moon gives us the precise time. And we know the sun just set.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:11 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Image


It's on the ecliptic, it's probably the second planet we've been waiting for!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Davidy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:11 pm UTC

I thought that it was unequivocally decided that the setting was in Madagascar. I was shot down for suggesting that baobobs can be found elsewhere.

Why is the absence of a moon determinative of anything? We're facing the direction where the sun just set. If there was a full moon it would be rising behind us. Most other waxing or waning phases would be above or off to the side, out of our present point of view. At least we know we're looking roughly somewhere between southwest and northwest, depending on the time of year.

I'd be interested in hearing from an astronomy buff about the visible stars. Are they a southern or northern hemisphere feature? Can the time of year be determined by their position relative to the setting sun?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:11 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:No Moong yet:

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As I scrolled down to this, I thought it was a manip. The OTC is getting beautiful Image
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:12 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Image


Perhaps it's another planet! If Venus is there every eight years or whatever, is there one of those periods that puts another planet in that location?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Whizbang » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:12 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:13 pm UTC

That's the asteroid that is going to impact and end all Time. :P

HES wrote:As I scrolled down to this, I thought it was a manip. The OTC is getting beautiful Image
To some eyes, the OTC has always been beautiful. Image

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BlitzGirl wrote:ETA: Oh, look at that.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:14 pm UTC

edo wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Image


It's on the ecliptic, it's probably the second planet we've been waiting for!


11/7/2013 shows no other planets in the vicinity. It would have to be some other year -- who knows when and where... I'm not going to look for that unlikely conjunction.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angua » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:16 pm UTC

Could be a satellite.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby speising » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:17 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
edo wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Image


It's on the ecliptic, it's probably the second planet we've been waiting for!


11/7/2013 shows no other planets in the vicinity. It would have to be some other year -- who knows when and where... I'm not going to look for that unlikely conjunction.


are we suggesting july now?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:17 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
edo wrote:
Kieryn wrote:
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It's on the ecliptic, it's probably the second planet we've been waiting for!


11/7/2013 shows no other planets in the vicinity. It would have to be some other year -- who knows when and where... I'm not going to look for that unlikely conjunction.


Look for a planet that passes through that point, there should be only one. I'm going to guess Saturn based on brightness.
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