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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:11 pm UTC

SinusPi wrote:BabblONG

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ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:13 pm UTC

Zorin_75 wrote:Seems she started out with "from where" but then decided on "whence..."
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Oh good catch! I didn't even realize there were extra words in there. How would this translate to speech do you think? It's weird how Randall is displaying it. Weird and neat!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Whizbang » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:14 pm UTC

The reason for the usage of "somewhat" and "whence" could be that she is speaking an old and corrupted/half-learned version of Cuegan's language. Imagine if someone learned English from a Chinese to English dictionary published in 1800 and then tried to talk to us today. We'd be able to communicate, but not only would the accent be horrible, but the word usage would be outdated and oddd as well. I am guessing that Long-hair Lady learned Cuegan speech from an old book. Or maybe the Beanish school/education system has a class on Cueganese, but the teachers learned it from the previous generation of teachers and no one has spoken fluent Cueganese in generations. It'd be like someone who learned Latin in highschool going back in time to talk to the Romans.

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Also, is Long-har Lady supposed to be Beardo?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby RudeDude » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:17 pm UTC

SinusPi wrote:TransliteratONG!

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So the last line would be expected to be "- Who are they? - People we met. - They speak gibberish."
There's a couple nice matches between this and initial dialogue - ZL' reappears ("they"?), again coupled with 34'6 once. Also, NUq'.


Thanks again for the transliteration work! I was just looking at some of those same repetitiONGS

After my morning cat soup and reviewing the latest transliteration here is some new speculation in the form of a dictionary.
    Xc & X,c = yes
    M32 = greeting (formal?)
    X, A`Lb,. = greeting (informal? maybe like "aloha" including good-bye? X is like Xc so "good day, yeah")
      X = yeah
      A`Lb = g'day
    37cNA = big-town? (not beardo/big-hair)
    NUq & NUqc = foreigner?
    G3'7 = here/this-is
    34cGX = big-land?
    42bJ = water
    342bJ = big-water (sea)
    ZL' 34'6 = something related to the sea? "rising" ?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:19 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:Whence have you traveled me?E


Whence have you traveled he(r)e

I love it how there's the "from where" in the background. Fantastically creative way of depicting the pidgin/accented "Cueglish" being spoken by Hairdo.

The only downside to it is the complexity makes it unlikely we'll advance quickly through the exposition dialogue here. The time to draw the lettering must be significant... I'm once again struck by how much outsider time the GLR is investing in Time.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:21 pm UTC

OK, we now have a clue to Beanie sentence construction.

Prediction: Beardo is behind the other curtain, or in a hermit's hut behind the castle. He speaks better Unglish, but with Beanong sentence construction (speak like Yoda he will, hmm, yes?) -- at least for a while.


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Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:23 pm UTC

*peeks in*
I'm fascinated by Hairdowhatserface's translation, but have no Time to discuss today!

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Try saying "Last night I dreamed of Hairdo." without feeling very, very strange.

I don't know that "Last night I dreamed of Beardo," or "Last night I dreamed of Cueball," is any better. :wink:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlueCrab » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:25 pm UTC

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mscha wrote:ETA: I'm not sure why, but I think that's an (elderly, wise) woman sitting on the beanie equivalent of a rocking chair on the porch.

I thought "woman" too for some reason, probably the hat style.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:26 pm UTC

I'm blindposting somewhat here, but I find it quite funny that Beardo appears to actually be Frizzyhair, and that I don't think anyone on here suggested the possibility that the drawing was actually a woman with a big halo of hair.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:27 pm UTC

It certainly looks like she's trying to ask "Where do you come from?"

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mscha wrote:ETA: I'm not sure why, but I think that's an (elderly, wise) woman sitting on the beanie equivalent of a rocking chair on the porch.

I thought "woman" too for some reason, probably the hat style.
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b2bomberkrh wrote:I'm blindposting somewhat here, but I find it quite funny that Beardo appears to actually be Frizzyhair, and that I don't think anyone on here suggested the possibility that the drawing was actually a woman with a big halo of hair.


I'm pretty sure it was suggested, but I don't remember by whom. The reason I didn't suggest it myself was that someone already had IIRC.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:31 pm UTC

RudeDude wrote:After my morning cat soup and reviewing the latest transliteration here is some new speculation in the form of a dictionary.
    Xc & X,c = yes
    M32 = greeting (formal?)
    X, A`Lb,. = greeting (informal? maybe like "aloha" including good-bye? X is like Xc so "good day, yeah")
      X = yeah
      A`Lb = g'day
    37cNA = big-town? (not beardo/big-hair)
    NUq & NUqc = foreigner?
    G3'7 = here/this-is
    34cGX = big-land?
    42bJ = water
    342bJ = big-water (sea)
    ZL' 34'6 = something related to the sea? "rising" ?

I'm inclined to guess X,c as both "yes" and "good", which would couple well with X, A'Lb, as "good day". (Assuming X, is the root, and the X,c modified form doesn't completely change its meaning.)
34'6 seems too short to be sea-related, I think it's big-4'6, whatever that is.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Fictioneer » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:31 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:The reason for the usage of "somewhat" and "whence" could be that she is speaking an old and corrupted/half-learned version of Cuegan's language. Imagine if someone learned English from a Chinese to English dictionary published in 1800 and then tried to talk to us today. We'd be able to communicate, but not only would the accent be horrible, but the word usage would be outdated and oddd as well. I am guessing that Long-hair Lady learned Cuegan speech from an old book.


I think she's learned it from an old, smudged book.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:32 pm UTC

Just popping in real quick before I leave this morning to say: She's sort of saying "where did you come from, how did you get here?"

Whence: adv. From where; from what place or conj. By reason of which; from which

Whence did you travel here? becomes From where did you travel [to] here? or less likely By what reason did you travel [to] here
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:34 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TimeLurker » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:39 pm UTC

TimeLurker wrote:Dialog prediction:
Long Haired One wrote:Good.

Cuegan wrote:We come from the sea, it is rising.

Long Haired One wrote:Yes, we know.

Cuegan wrote:Why is it rising.

Long Haired One wrote:Let me show you our records.


I re-assert this prediction from 1 newpix ago (kindly ignore the first part by the Long Haired One).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Montov » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:40 pm UTC

Arky wrote:I love it how there's the "from where" in the background. Fantastically creative way of depicting the pidgin/accented "Cueglish" being spoken by Hairdo.


I propose we call it "Beanglish".

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:43 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

I may have stumbled upon the answer to the question of "how do I keep getting ninjONGed?"
The messages are sorted by post time -- possibly in minutes. If two posts have the same post time... what's the second sort criterion? Name? in reverse?

If we both post something the same minute, does yours automatically go first? even if I'm 15 seconds ahead?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:47 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:The messages are sorted by post time -- possibly in minutes.

Dollars to peanuts say it's seconds, as Unix timestamps are used.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:


"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:48 pm UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:I'm blindposting somewhat here, but I find it quite funny that Beardo appears to actually be Frizzyhair, and that I don't think anyone on here suggested the possibility that the drawing was actually a woman with a big halo of hair.


I always thought it was funny that everyone referred to her as beardo, I just didn't have time to keep up with the thread and post about it. When the image of "beardo" was first shown, I referred to her as the oracle I believe, though I don't think I specified gender. I never really assumed anything but long hair.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:50 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:So here's my version of the line you and BlitzGirl did.

Neat! You and Yappo would make a great Cuegan...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:53 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:
It might be just a bit easier to reach an intuitive understanding of why this works, by considering higher bases. If you look at the set of all real numbers that have a "9" in their decimal expansions, for instance, that set looks like "most" of the real numbers. (10% have a 9 as their first digit, about 10% of the remaining ones have a 9 as their second digit, and so forth; so by the time you've looked at an infinite number of digits, the fraction of real numbers remaining is precisely zero percent.) And yet, obviously the set of "real numbers that don't have a 9 anywhere in their decimal expansion" is still pretty big (it includes, for instance, a lot of rationals like 1/3), and you can match its members up one to one with the full set of real numbers by referring to their expansions in base 9.



In what sense do 10% of the real numbers have a 9 as their first digit? Percents don't even have a good definition when it comes to infinite sets. Comparing whether one infinite set "looks like" another only has meaning when referring to properties of the set, and "percent with 9 as a first digit" is not a well-defined property of the real numbers, nor even the rational numbers or integers. In fact, since we are discussing the real numbers as an infinite set, instead of as a field, the cardinality of the set is pretty much the only property that is well defined. An infinite subset of the real number is either the same cardinality as all of the real numbers, in which case it is not just "like" the real numbers, it is identical to them, or it is not, in which case it is completely unlike them. (Most likely this means the subset is identical to the integers, but no one has managed to prove yet that there are no cardinalities between the integers and the real numbers.)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:56 pm UTC

Montov wrote:
Arky wrote:I love it how there's the "from where" in the background. Fantastically creative way of depicting the pidgin/accented "Cueglish" being spoken by Hairdo.


I propose we call it "Beanglish".

Seconded, on both points. Randall's come up with a really creative solution to the garbled-speech to text issue.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:56 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:I may have stumbled upon the answer to the question of "how do I keep getting ninjONGed?"
The messages are sorted by post time -- possibly in minutes. If two posts have the same post time... what's the second sort criterion? Name? in reverse?

If we both post something the same minute, does yours automatically go first? even if I'm 15 seconds ahead?

I don't think so. It has to be the same second, the timestamp contains seconds10 so why would it ignore it? It would happen much more often if it was the case. Also it was said before that when one of the two edits the message later, it can switch position.
If I recall correctly from another forum where this was discussed, the reason for ninja-posts is that the post was already submitted before you even click "Reply"20. It should be shown under the "Post a reply" dialog (but nobody checks that) therefore it does not warn you there is new message.

10 Oh, you have to change it in personal settings, to see seconds
20 The same-second posts is another case
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:57 pm UTC

patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

no... I saw it quoted at the top of this page while mine was at the bottom of the previous one.
I hit refresh and the positions reversed.
Weird.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

:idea: I guess 1.0 (a.k.a. 0.9999999999...) is in that set of numbers with a 9 in their decimal expansions. :twisted:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Febrion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:<snip>That would explain some things.

Somewhat
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Someguy945 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:03 pm UTC

Arky wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:Whence have you traveled me?E


Whence have you traveled he(r)e


I hate to criticize, but I think the word "you" should have been written more cleanly, because that's a basic word I'd expect this long-haired person to have a good handle on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

no... I saw it quoted at the top of this page while mine was at the bottom of the previous one.
I hit refresh and the positions reversed.
Weird.


That exact phenomenon caused... erm... certain incidents a few hundred NP back. When you edit a post it sometimes bumps ahead of other posts that were posted at the "same time".
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

Someguy945 wrote:
Arky wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:Whence have you traveled me?E


Whence have you traveled he(r)e


I hate to criticize, but I think the word "you" should have been written more cleanly, because that's a basic word I'd expect this long-haired person to have a good handle on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:06 pm UTC

patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:


"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

Yeah, that has to be it. But why would he post the message in the first place, given that the future-quote and the reply to it is the only thing it contains? It's still a time-travel paradox. :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sciakybros » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:09 pm UTC

Someguy945 wrote:
Arky wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:Whence have you traveled me?E


Whence have you traveled he(r)e


I hate to criticize, but I think the word "you" should have been written more cleanly, because that's a basic word I'd expect this long-haired person to have a good handle on.


My impression is that Randall is conveying accent along with mispronunciation in the messiness.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

Someguy945 wrote:
Arky wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:Whence have you traveled me?E


Whence have you traveled he(r)e


I hate to criticize, but I think the word "you" should have been written more cleanly, because that's a basic word I'd expect this long-haired person to have a good handle on.

Hairdo probably has a good handle on the word, but not its pronunciation, if xe learnt it from text or simply if it has sounds not available in Beanish. English speakers don't usually pronounce the Dutch u or French tu correctly at first either, even if they understand the grammar and spelling very well.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

Late-post:
NetWeasel wrote:That thing in the window...

IT'S A FACE!
THIS FACE!
Spoiler:
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Great catch! No I can't unsee it. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:11 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

no... I saw it quoted at the top of this page while mine was at the bottom of the previous one.
I hit refresh and the positions reversed.
Weird.

Here's my ruling, since you asked for one. You are co-popes and co-goats. (Not that I have any power to make rulings.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TimeLurker » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:16 pm UTC

SBN wrote:
Spoiler:
NetWeasel wrote:
patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

no... I saw it quoted at the top of this page while mine was at the bottom of the previous one.
I hit refresh and the positions reversed.
Weird.
Here's my ruling, since you asked for one. You are co-popes and co-goats. (Not that I have any power to make rulings.)

That won't do. How can we follow the decrees of 2 different popes at the same time?
Maybe we should continue discussing it though, until we move past this newpage of time-traveling posts.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:17 pm UTC

As a foreign English speaker (and not very good at that), I can relate to Farrah Hairdo Beanie. Painfully so.

When you learn English from books, you get a distorted view of word usage and few, if any, clues about pronunciation. Also, it's somewhat hard to understand native speakers when they speak fast (or on top of each other, like in the present frame), so there will/should be difficulties on that front.

(Multiple edits trying to make this look less gibberish.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:17 pm UTC

TimeLurker wrote:
SBN wrote:
Spoiler:
NetWeasel wrote:
patzer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:ETA: Hold on.. I just goatted the PagePope who quoted this message before I posted it????
I think I need a ruling here...

You two just broke the space-time continuum... How in the hell could he quote your message that was submitted at the precisely same second? :shock:

"Last edited by mathmannix at newpix 2868.26, edited 4 times in total."
I assume he edited in the quote later.

no... I saw it quoted at the top of this page while mine was at the bottom of the previous one.
I hit refresh and the positions reversed.
Weird.
Here's my ruling, since you asked for one. You are co-popes and co-goats. (Not that I have any power to make rulings.)

That won't do. How can we follow the decrees of 2 different popes at the same time?
Maybe we should continue discussing it though, until we move past this newpage of time-traveling posts.


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